[Gen] Souji teaches me how to mess with people's minds

[Leathercandle]

Rentaro (in sig) sits on a convenient yet oh so random leather couch in the middle of the training field as he waits for his sensei.

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Thanks for accepting me!

 

[Souji]

(No problemo. I'll be RPing in first person, so I hope you'll like that. Otherwise, let me know and I'll change it up.)

*You would find me already sitting on the couch before you arrived, having hidden myself underneath the cushions. I emerge like a boss*

Hello! I'm Souji Seta of Konoha, your new sensei!

Before we continue, let's have some short introductions. Tell me a little about yourself.

*I stretch myself out on the couch, relaxing as I wait for your answer*

 

[Leathercandle]

As Souji popped out of the couch Rentaro instantly swings a punch towards his stomach but stops right before his fist makes contact.

:stfu: Sensei what the hell were you doing under the couch!?

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Anyways, I'm Rentaro Satomi (Gyojin), nice to meet you! I've been a member of Amegakure for a little while now, and decided to take up the wonderful opportunity which arose, which was learning genjutsu from you! What about you?

 

[Souji]

(yay, third person! xD)

Souji comically flinched at the sight of the punch coming towards him, which stopped. He was an Amegakurian shinobi, huh? Interesting.

"WOAH! Careful there."

"It's nice to meet you, Rentaro. Well... I'm a Hyuuga. I've got grey eyes that turn white when I use my Byakugan. It's actually a pretty interesting story; maybe I'll share it with you sometime."

"This is also a great opportunity for me to teach students. I'm looking forward to this, Rentaro, and I hope we can learn something from each other!"

He gave a thumbs up and a grin.

"... so, Genjutsu. Illusions that mess with the senses, correct? But I want you to elaborate on that. How do Genjutsus work? What do they do? How can they be useful in a battle? Just tell me what you already know. If you've got questions, I can answer them, and I'll also fill in what you might have missed, if anything."

 

[Leathercandle]

Lol you can go 1st or 3rd I dont care

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A genjutsu is essentially when someone by using their chakra messes with the chakra in an opponent's brain which can make them believe certain things are happening or make them believe things are certain ways, like a nail stabbing the opponent while bound over and over again or believing that they are in a desert when they are really in a field. In battle they can be useful because if the effects of the genjutsu are subtle enough while still being effective (a genjutsu which has a good effect on the opponent but it is difficult to figure out) the user can preform lethal attacks on the one under the genjutsu. Unlike most kinds of techniques, it is very rare to see a Forbidden rank genjutsu, as there is no possible way to break out of them. One of these legendary techniques is called Svengalli.
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(Yes its a custom and no adding this bit probably isn't necessary but meh.)
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(Genjutsu - Svengali) - Sevengali illusion
Type: Attack
Rank: Forbidden
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 40
Damage Points: N/a
Description: The user will perform 3 needed hand seals to summon a special type of mechanical doll to the feild. This is a special mechanical doll made entirely of chakra metal. When its summoned it is infused with the users chakra from that moment. Svengali is a special mechanical doll made of chakra metal that responds to the sound of the users voice comands, but not just any comands. From the moment this doll is summoned it begins to mess with the opponents head. After being on the feild for one turn the doll will put a kind of transe upon the opponent. This transe make the opponent become like the doll turn by turn. See below for details.
After being on the feild for 2 turns, the opponents arm will go solid like the dolls metal limbs, making them unable to move it.
After being on the feild for 3 turns, the opponents other arm will go stiff like the dolls other arm.
After being on the feild for 4 turns, The users legs will go stiff, unable to move them or feel any sensation in them.
After svengali has been on the feild for 5 turns, the opponents whole body will be stiff like svengali's and they will not be able to move or feel anything.
When svengali has control of all the opponents limbs they are unable to battle.
Due to this abilitily they are unable to move any part of their hands and can't feel any pain in their limbs. It is almost as though someone elses limbs are attached to their body that they cant feel or move. Not only does Svengali take over the opponents actions through hypnosis, he also becomes on with the target, so if svengali is poked, the opponent possesed by him will feel it too. The same effect applies in a painful way. If svengali has taken effect on of of the opponents arm, and the same arm on svengali is stabbed, the opponent will cry out in pain as though their own arm was stabbed, though they would still be unable to move it.
Note: No S rank or above while controlling Svengali
Note: No nin/gen jutsu can be used at the same time as svengali
Note: No Genjutsu for the rest of the match after use.
Note: While the user is controlling svengali, he is only able to peform 2 jutsu per turn due to concerntrating on svengalis use.

There are two main ways to break a genjutsu. Both methods obviously require the realization that you are in a genjutsu, so thats the first step. The first method is by using a technique called Kai which is designed to break genjutsu up to S rank. Inflicting pain upon oneself is the other method. This can vary from bitting your lip to the point it bleeds, stabbing oneself, etcetera. This can also break up to S rank genjutsu.

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Question: Why do people see genjutsu as so useful? I can understand why some are so feared like the one I posted above and Koto and Tsukuyomi and other super OP ones, but if there is such an easy way to break out of them (meta-gaming and then hurting yourself), why are they so commonly used? I feel like I must be missing something big.

 

[Souji]

(Sorry for the late reply!)

"I personally dislike Genjutsu myself... it's a cop out in a lot of cases, in my opinion. The simple "trick" to genjutsu is to use the it in such a way that your opponent cannot properly reason their way out of it, I believe. In a lot of fights, the only valid way to break out of a genjutsu is to..."

"1. Properly reason that you are under a genjutsu, then 2. use the appropriate level of jutsu or pain to break yourself out of the genjutsu. Here's a little 'cheat sheet' we senseis use when teaching our students."

Souji hands Rentaro a piece of paper, which reads:

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D Rank Genjutsu: Chipping a Finger (like one does as he bites to draw blood for a Summoning Jutsu)
C Rank Genjutsu: Low level Physical Attacks, Bitting a chunk of your Cheek
B Rank Genjutsu: Low ranked Taijutsu/Freestyle
A Rank Genjutsu: High ranked Taijutsu, Stabbing Yourself in minor muscle, Cutting yourself, Breaking Smaller bones, Low level Burning/Voltage, Painful Cold
S Rank Genjutsu: EIG/Sage level Taijutsu, Breaking Bones, Deep Stabs or cuts, Medium Voltage/Burning, Extreme Painful Cold, Bitting your tongue off

"The second way to dispel a genjutsu is to use the Genjutsu Kai. Since a genjutsu disturbs your own chakra system by inserting foreign chakra, the Kai works by temporarily stopping the flow of chakra and 'spiking' it, pushing out the foreign chakra from your tenketsu and releasing you from it. Here's the jutsu for reference. If you have questions, let me know."

Souji lays out the scroll, which says:

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( Genjutsu: Kai ) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15-40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except MS Eye Techniques, Paralysis-like Genjutsu and Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank. A Sage rank user can dispel Genjutsu up to S-Rank. The user may use this technique through physical contact on others to dispel them from Genjutsu. The technique can only be used once per turn and the user still needs to fully follow the logic as to why he figured out it was an illusion.

"Lastly, certain jutsus are 'full body chakra surges', meaning that when you perform them, your chakra surges throughout your body and pushes out the foreign chakra, similar to Kai. Some good examples include the Chidori Nagashi and Earth Release: Hardening. Certain special abilities and clan abilities can also do the trick."

"Any questions, Rentaro?"

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If you need any further clarification, you can take a look at this:

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It even has advanced tactics such as layering, which I won't cover, but if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.

 

[Leathercandle]

Your response was great, it cleared up some stuff, thank you. No questions so far!

 

[Souji]

"Alright, let's do this, then!"

"This training will be somewhat different. I will be casting the genjutsus on YOU, and your job will be to properly reason yourself out of the genjutsu and break out of it appropriately. We will work on one technique at a time so we can fully understand how to do it by the time we're done."

"Pay attention to your surroundings, and if something seems off in your senses and reasonings, we'll go over them. Also, once you break the genjutsu, I want you to tell me what you experienced, and how you would use the jutsu in a fight like with combination attacks, for example."

"Ready?"

Without saying another word, Souji channels his chakra and places Rentaro under the first illusion. They were both standing in a plain field, a clearing surrounded by trees in the forest. From Rentaro's point of view, he would notice that the trees would disappear, and a small lake would appear to his right.

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( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

 

[Leathercandle]

As Rentaro was casted into the genjutsu, he noticed that the trees which were all around Souji and himself faded away slowly, and a small lake started to become visible on his right side. Rentaro took two shuriken out from his ninja pouch and held one in each hand. He threw one of them using his right arm towards the area where the trees disappeared. The shuriken stopped right where the trees were previously, showing that the tree was in fact still there. Rentaro next switched the other shuriken to his right hand and threw it at the lake. Instead of the shuriken sinking into the water, it dug into the surface of it, like if it were in dirt.

Alright, this genjutsu changed what I see. Instead of the trees which are all around us in reality, they are now gone, and a lake is now over here, where it wasn't before. Rentato pointed to the area where he saw the lake, and where the shuriken were.
I tested to see if this was a genjutsu by throwing two shuriken at the places where things disappeared and appeared, and the shuriken didn't pass through the area where the trees disappeared, nor did the shuriken sink in the lake. I was confident that those were the things which were changed in the first place either way, as I watched the trees disappear and the lake appear.

Rentaro brought the thumb on his left hand to his mouth, and carefully bit it, breaking the skin ever so slightly. A small amount of blood dripped from Rentaro's thumb, but it stopped fairly-quickly.

In battle, I could use this if the opponent covered their entire body with a dome to protect themselves. I could yell the name of some jutsu which does major damage to the environment while jutsu using this genjutsu. It could cause them to maybe try and jump on things or use the environment in ways which wont work because there would be nothing there. I could also theoretically get the opponent to believe that I could use wood release by yelling out the name of a wood jutsu and then changing the environment accordingly. A combination with this is to maybe create some real rocks which they trip on or something so the opponent believes that they are now walking/running/are present in a rocky area while they could be walking towards a lake without channeling chakra in their feet, allowing them to fall in. Thats a very elaborate combination, but there.

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Question: have I already learned Kai from when you posted it earlier? I dont think I have right?

Also, about this technique. In the chakra cost it says
"Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)"
What does the "double" mean in this case?

 

[Souji]

(You have the Kai after that post, I wanted to give it to you first so just in case you needed to break out of a genjutsu in a fight or something Lol

That Shuriken test was really smart of you. This is a really great reply in general, though. Nothing was wrong with it, at all!

To answer your question about "double": you can "layer" this genjutsu, up to two layers. For example, I could have changed the arena twice. The first casting of the gen on you would have removed the trees and formed the lake (as you successfully broke out of), but I could also have casted the genjutsu again to change your surroundings to something like... being inside a building for example.

So, this means that you would see the lake and no trees, but after breaking that, the second layer would take effect, and you would see the building appear. You would then have to break that layer in order to be returned to reality. It opens up a lot of options for combat. Even the simplest techs can be lethal if used properly )

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Souji looked on in approval as Rentaro broke the genjutsu. He caught on very quickly and knew what he was doing. This was good; his job would be a little easier, for him and Rentaro.

"Exceptional. You clearly know what you're talking about. I have no further insights on that one, but it's actually one of my favorite genjutsus to use in a fight. And I don't use genjutsu that much, either."

"Alright, let's move on. Ready?"

Souji would weave a set of five handseals in Rentaro's plain sight. Suddenly, Rentaro would see Souji blur and disappear from his field of vision, and would become a storm of pink cherry blossom petals. These petals would surround Rentaro with him in the center.

While Rentaro was under the illusion, Souji would move his real position, ending up behind Rentaro... unknown to his student, of course.

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( Genjutsu: Kahen Tonsou ) - Illusion Technique: Flower Petal Escape
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, appearing to dissolve into a shower of cherry blossom petals. These petals surround the opponent, blocking his vision. This allows the user to mask his movement effectively.

 

[Leathercandle]

As Souji disappeared into a cloud of petals, Rentaro was suddenly surrounded by them. Hundreds and hundreds of pink cherry blossom petals were floating by him, as if Rentaro were in the middle of a very peaceful tornado. Rentaro reached his left hand outwards, and attempted to grab a petal, but they simply phased through his hand. Rentaro to double check, sent a burst of wind from his mouth towards the petals, but their movement wasn't changed in the slightest. Rentaro bit his lip very carefully, just enough to cause a little bit of bleeding. The petals all immediately disappeared, and Rentaro was suddenly able to feel the presence of someone staring at him from behind. He turned his head, and looked over his shoulder and saw Souji standing directly behind him.
That was a very relaxing genjutsu. Rentaro said as he turned his entire body to face Souji.
Combinations for this could be to use a wind jutsu which actually has real petals attack the opponent, and then make it so they swirl around the opponent. This way, when the opponent tries to attack the genjutsu petals, they wont be able to get rid of them as most of them would be fake. This would make it much harder for the opponent to realize that they were in fact in a genjutsu.

 

[Souji]

"Good!"

"This one's a little dangerous if you're unprepared for it. So, for this round, cast the genjutsu on me."

"Form a single handseal implant your chakra into my own. Afterwards, throw a paper bomb at me that should explode when it comes into contact with me. I'll relay my experience to you, as well as my insights."

"Ready when you are."

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( Genjutsu: Kasumi ) - Illusion Technique: Servant
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: 20
Description: The user does one handseal and throws a paper bomb at the enemy. The enemy, trapped in a genjutsu will see a clone of the user advancing upon him. As the paper bomb reaches the enemy, it explodes

 

[Reborn]

*Stalking Stalking Stalking*

Lets have our students fight sometime in genjutsu Souji-san

 

[Leathercandle]

Rentaro stood tall as Souji explained the next technique to him and instructed him to use it on him.

Understood Souji, here I go then!

Rentaro formed a single handseal and focused his chakra into the air. He moved the chakra quickly towards Souji, and had it latch on to his own. Rentaro continued to steam more and more chakra towards Souji just to make sure that he had used enough.

Alright, that should be enough chakra. Now for the paper bomb.

Rentaro reached his right hand into his ninja pouch and grasped a kunai with a bomb tag on it. Rentaro brought his arm back and the forwards, releasing the kunai and bomb tag towards Souji. It sailed towards him, aimed at his chest.

 

[Souji]

(I'm so sorry for this late reply! I've been busy with school )

Observing Rentaro forming a handseal, Souji would then note how a clone of his student started charging towards him. Undeterred, Souji would brandish a kunai and throw it at the clone's chest. In reality, the kunai would intercept the paper bomb and it would explode in between student and teacher.

What anomaly was this? Clones exploded? Something was off. Souji applied the appropriate level of pain and broke himself out of the genjutsu.

"Ok... so that one was kind of obvious since I told you to cast the illusion on me. However, were this done to you, you'd try and intercept the 'clone' before it hits you. The explosion should be a key to figuring out that it isn't a real clone, and also note how the explosion would affect your senses."

"Moving on! This one's kind of different. Figure it out!"

Now, Souji would cast the next technique. Clones of him would appear out of the ground, as if emerging from the natural landscapes. Should Rentaro try to attack these clones, his attacks would go through them, and they would multiply. The clones begin surrounding Rentaro, as if going to attack him.

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( Kasumi Jūsha no Jutsu ) - Mist Servant Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This illusion creates numerous illusionary clones of the user that appear to emerge from the ground, trees, rocks, etc. If these clones are attacked, they appear to multiply. The user can co-ordinate his attacks with the clones to make it appear as if they are real.

 

[Leathercandle]

Don't worry about it ^_^
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Rentaro watched as several clones emerged from the ground, looking fierce and dangerous. Rentaro dashed towards one and when he got close enough ran up the clone and kicked off his face into a backflip. When Rentaro landed back on the ground he saw that another clone was emerging from the clone which he had just attacked.

Interesting...

Rentaro walked up to one and waited for it to attack him, holding in each hand a kunai in reverse-grip in case an actual attack happened. He waited, but the clone stood there, staring him in the face.

I knew it. You can't attack because you have no physical properties. Now if that's the case, then this is a genjutsu! Rentaro bit a small piece of his thumb, then stopped the bleeding by applying pressure to it. The genjutsu around him faded, and he smiled widely as this happened.

Alright, so I'm sure you know, but I experienced multiple clones emerge from the ground, and then multiply as they were attacked by me. They wouldn't attack me though, which is when I knew for sure that it was a genjutsu. Then again, I did feel a physical presence when I kicked off of one. Can you explain that to me? A combination with this is to throw kunai at the opponent while making it look like the clones threw kunai to make it seem like it wasn't a genjutsu.


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Questions: Do the clones have physical properties? In the actual show Naruto punched one of these clones and got his arm stuck in one I think. Also is the caster invisible to the one the genjutsu is casted on when this happens, or does the caster need to hide still?

 

[Souji]

I would liken the clones to basic bunshins (the E-rank clones, not shadow Clones). They're replicas of the user but layered on top of an illusion. So yes, they do sort of have physical properties, but the easiest way to figure it out is how you did it. And in the anime, the user of this jutsu was hiding, but you don't have to hide, as long as the enemy is caught within the radius of the technique. After the initial casting and if it's successful, it doesn't matter. Hope that cleared things up!

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Souji explained things to Rentaro and then moved on.

"This is the last D-rank technique..."

"...tell, me, Rentaro. What do you fear most?" he said this with a remarkably different tone.

Forming two handseals, Souji's grin looked almost wicked as he suddenly turned into a swirl of leaves that would surround Rentaro. These leaves would surround him and disperse, showing his student a grisly image of whatever he feared most (you can insert whatever that is).

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( Magen: Narakumi ) - Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user performs two handseals causing it to appear as if a swirl of leaves surrounds the opponent. The swirl eventually falls away, and after a few seconds, the opponent sees the image of whatever they fear the most, shocking them and potentially causing them to faint.

 

[Leathercandle]

What do I fear most...?

Rentaro saw Souji's face show a wicked expression, like one of a mad killer. In an instant leaves began to swirl around Rentaro, soon blocking out his vision of Souji. Rentaro already knew what he was going to see, and he didn't want to see it, though that was natural. Rentaro turned his head around to see all of his comrades lines up, locked in guillotines. As soon as he turned his head the metal knife dropped down on their necks, decapitating them. Rentaro threw a kunai with a bomb tag towards the vision, as tears streamed down his cheeks. He knew that there was more to come though. The kunai caused an explosion as it hit the ground. A large cloud of dust was sent up from the ground as well as smoke. When it cleared, Rentaro's mother and father, who he had not seen in so many years stood there. They each took out a kunai and without any words stabbed the other in their necks.

...This is a devastating jutsu... Rentaro's face was soaked with tears which continuously streamed down his cheeks. Biting his cheek he released the genjutsu, then wiped away his tears.

 

[Souji]

Souji comforted Rentaro, patting his back.

"We all have our inner fears. Steel yourself; it was an illusion. Don't worry, I'm here." he said, reassuring his student.

"Take a short break and just read this next technique. We'll be starting with the C-ranks now."

Souji hands Rentaro the scroll:

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( Kori Shinchū no Jutsu ) - Sly Mind Affect Technique
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion on the opponent that makes them believe they are travelling in a straight line, when instead they are moving in circles. This is only effective on moving opponents. If the opponent travels in the circle for hours, they will be exhausted.

"This is a very interesting and more lighthearted technique, very tricky! Give me your thoughts on it, and how can you use it such that it becomes harder for your opponent to figure out it's an illusion? Meaning, what other techniques or items can you use to cause further confusion?"

 

[Leathercandle]

Thanks Souji-san. That means a lot.
Rentaro took the scroll from Souji's outstretched hand and opened it up, scanning his eyes over the technique. Closing the scroll, Rentaro looked up from it at Souji and said:
Alright, this is an interesting technique to say the least. If it gets pulled off it leaves the opponent very vulnerable which is great. A way to make it seem more real... I guess a Sharingan user could use their Sharingan genjutsu to create an image of themselves running away from the opponent, layering it over the first genjutsu. I can't think of many other though, can you give me a few, Souji-san?