[Discussion] SOooo where in the manga does it say that Sasuke now has PS?

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I've seen a lot of people talking about Sasuke having Perfect Susanoo lately, however, I've yet to see it stated anywhere that he was using PS against Obito in the recent chapters. People seem to have assumed that it MUST be perfect Susanoo since he cloaked the Kyuubi in it. However, We've seen Itachi cloak people in Susanoo before, that isn't really something that only can be done with PS.

Now, before the Sasuke fans charge in here and get all butthurt, I'm not saying that I'm 100% positive he DOES NOT have it. However there is significant doubt in my mind that the Susanoo he used in 651, 652 was PS.


When we saw Madara's PS it was huge. Larger than the Susanoo that Sasuke is using. Not only that but first he went into Susanoo's "final form" and then stabilized the chakra, making it the PS.

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----Madara's Perfect Susanoo

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-----Sasuke's "Perfect Susanoo" (look at the next page too)



Personally I think what we are seeing is Sasuke CLOSE to perfect Susanoo cloaking the Kyuubi. Part of the reason why I believe this is because if Sasuke indeed had PS I think someone would have said SOMETHING. That's a pretty big deal considering only 1 shinobi has ever been able to use it. There's always the possibility that Kishi just didn't bother putting anything because we had already seen PS, but you'd think if that were true he'd make it more apparent.

Now, this susanoo that Sasuke is using DOES look different from the complete susanoo that he was using against Kabuto. I think one thing that has gotten people so convinced is the nose looks similar to Madara's PS.



Anyway I felt the need to say something since everyone is like OMGZ 100% confirmed PS SASUKE OMGZ. It isn't really 100% confirmed yet. I'd give it a 50/50 chance but that's just my opinion.



BTW, I am NOT a Sasuke hater. I don't need butt hurt fanboys flaming me. Have a civilized intelligent discussion. If you think he definitely has PS and my doubt is ill-founded, explain it eloquently to try to convince me you are correct. Calling me a hater gets you nowhere and I want to hear from people why they are so sure it's PS, without the name calling dumbing down the discussion.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Even if it's not yet completed, he's gonna get it. after all, THE LORD Orochimaru already said that he's gonna surpass Madara one day. Kishi never delays when it comes to Sasuke's power-ups.

 

[Meee]

Isnt PS the final form of Susanoo? like the one he used against the Zetsus and fused with BM Naruto? doesn't he just need to stabilize it?

 

[-Punk-]

He doesn't have it , his followers are just wanking him ahead of time .

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Even if it's not yet completed, he's gonna get it. after all, THE LORD Orochimaru already said that he's gonna surpass Madara one day. Kishi never delays when it comes to Sasuke's power-ups.

I agree that he is going to get it eventually. At this point it's obvious that Sasuke will eventually surpass Madara, however, I don't think he has Perfect Susanoo yet.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

I think though he may have acquired ps, he has not shown it till. and what he is using not ps.

 

[Shura]

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Sasuke's new Perfect Susano'o looks exactly like Madara's Perfect Susano'o when he made Kurama wear it. Sasuke also stated ''Is this what Madara did in the past?''. It's clearly Perfect Susano'o. Although Sasuke's is smaller than Madara's.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

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Sasuke's new Perfect Susano'o looks exactly like Madara's Perfect Susano'o when he made Kurama wear it. Sasuke also stated ''Is this what Madara did in the past?''. It's clearly Perfect Susano'o. Although Sasuke's is smaller than Madara's.

It does look similar but Kyuubi cloaked in Susanoo doesn't = perfect susanoo. Yea Sasuke said this is what Madara did in the past but he was talking about cloaking the Kyuubi, not using perfect Susanoo.

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

He doesn't have it , his followers are just wanking him ahead of time .

Pretty much.

 

[kunde]

He just needs to stabilize it thats all.

 

[Shura]

It does look similar but Kyuubi cloaked in Susanoo doesn't = perfect susanoo. Yea Sasuke said this is what Madara did in the past but he was talking about cloaking the Kyuubi, not using perfect Susanoo.

Sasuke used all previous levels of Susano'o and this new one looks like Madara's Perfect Susano'o. That's Perfect Susano'o. It's not debatable.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

The reason one would call his Susano'o Kanzentai, is due to it's shape and Daitengu mask. Not it's use in unison with the Kyuubi.

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if you want a better understanding of Susano'o's relation to Tengu and the relevance of the change in shape.

If not, Susano'o's final form with the Eternal Mangekyou resembles a Karasu-Tengu, which changes to that of a Daitengu once it's chakra has stabilized.

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Relevantly, Daitengu (greater-tengu) are the highest form of Tengu in Japanese mythology, while Karasu-Tengu (crow-tengu) are underlings of Daitengu.

 

[sasukekingofuchiha]

I've seen a lot of people talking about Sasuke having Perfect Susanoo lately, however, I've yet to see it stated anywhere that he was using PS against Obito in the recent chapters. People seem to have assumed that it MUST be perfect Susanoo since he cloaked the Kyuubi in it. However, We've seen Itachi cloak people in Susanoo before, that isn't really something that only can be done with PS.

Now, before the Sasuke fans charge in here and get all butthurt, I'm not saying that I'm 100% positive he DOES NOT have it. However there is significant doubt in my mind that the Susanoo he used in 651, 652 was PS.


When we saw Madara's PS it was huge. Larger than the Susanoo that Sasuke is using. Not only that but first he went into Susanoo's "final form" and then stabilized the chakra, making it the PS.

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----Madara's Perfect Susanoo

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-----Sasuke's "Perfect Susanoo" (look at the next page too)



Personally I think what we are seeing is Sasuke CLOSE to perfect Susanoo cloaking the Kyuubi. Part of the reason why I believe this is because if Sasuke indeed had PS I think someone would have said SOMETHING. That's a pretty big deal considering only 1 shinobi has ever been able to use it. There's always the possibility that Kishi just didn't bother putting anything because we had already seen PS, but you'd think if that were true he'd make it more apparent.

Now, this susanoo that Sasuke is using DOES look different from the complete susanoo that he was using against Kabuto. I think one thing that has gotten people so convinced is the nose looks similar to Madara's PS.



Anyway I felt the need to say something since everyone is like OMGZ 100% confirmed PS SASUKE OMGZ. It isn't really 100% confirmed yet. I'd give it a 50/50 chance but that's just my opinion.



BTW, I am NOT a Sasuke hater. I don't need butt hurt fanboys flaming me. Have a civilized intelligent discussion. If you think he definitely has PS and my doubt is ill-founded, explain it eloquently to try to convince me you are correct. Calling me a hater gets you nowhere and I want to hear from people why they are so sure it's PS, without the name calling dumbing down the discussion.

dude does it matter he made his shit big as a jubii you can call it what you want hes up there now

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Sasuke used all previous levels of Susano'o and this new one looks like Madara's Perfect Susano'o. That's Perfect Susano'o. It's not debatable.

Yeah, no. It doesn't look exactly like Madara's PS, though the nose looks similar. Plus we never saw him summon PS then stabilize it like Madara did.

How can you say it isn't debatable when it isn't confirmed yet? Not to mention it seems many disagree with you. That's just ignorance bro....

Oh well. we'll see. Obviously he's going to get it eventually regardless.

 

[ANiMUS]

I've seen a lot of people talking about Sasuke having Perfect Susanoo lately, however, I've yet to see it stated anywhere that he was using PS against Obito in the recent chapters. People seem to have assumed that it MUST be perfect Susanoo since he cloaked the Kyuubi in it. However, We've seen Itachi cloak people in Susanoo before, that isn't really something that only can be done with PS.

Now, before the Sasuke fans charge in here and get all butthurt, I'm not saying that I'm 100% positive he DOES NOT have it. However there is significant doubt in my mind that the Susanoo he used in 651, 652 was PS.


When we saw Madara's PS it was huge. Larger than the Susanoo that Sasuke is using. Not only that but first he went into Susanoo's "final form" and then stabilized the chakra, making it the PS.

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----Madara's Perfect Susanoo

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-----Sasuke's "Perfect Susanoo" (look at the next page too)



Personally I think what we are seeing is Sasuke CLOSE to perfect Susanoo cloaking the Kyuubi. Part of the reason why I believe this is because if Sasuke indeed had PS I think someone would have said SOMETHING. That's a pretty big deal considering only 1 shinobi has ever been able to use it. There's always the possibility that Kishi just didn't bother putting anything because we had already seen PS, but you'd think if that were true he'd make it more apparent.

Now, this susanoo that Sasuke is using DOES look different from the complete susanoo that he was using against Kabuto. I think one thing that has gotten people so convinced is the nose looks similar to Madara's PS.



Anyway I felt the need to say something since everyone is like OMGZ 100% confirmed PS SASUKE OMGZ. It isn't really 100% confirmed yet. I'd give it a 50/50 chance but that's just my opinion.



BTW, I am NOT a Sasuke hater. I don't need butt hurt fanboys flaming me. Have a civilized intelligent discussion. If you think he definitely has PS and my doubt is ill-founded, explain it eloquently to try to convince me you are correct. Calling me a hater gets you nowhere and I want to hear from people why they are so sure it's PS, without the name calling dumbing down the discussion.

When did Itachi cloak someone else in his susano'o?

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

Perfect susanno? Until he has reached madaras god status its mission inpossible......

sasukes current progress: Not even close

 

[Johndoesknowall]

The only debate a person who doesn't believe Sasuke has PS can make is, " it's not stated, or no one said stabilize or it doesn't look exactly like Madara's." Honestly you people are being stubborn. You can predict chapters and connect foreshadowing to future events but when Kishi basically shoves it in your face you still say no.

If you can debate my evidence and logic with actual evidence and facts from manga and logic, then please do.

We'll start with showing both Sasuke's and Madara's modified PS wrapped around Kurama.

Sasuke's

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Madara's

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Sasuke's and Madara's share the same should pads as Madara's PS. Also the Mask's nose is the same. I believe you people are trying to state that Sasuke doesn't have the complete PS which is understandable and debatable since we've seen from Sasuke that over time his susanoo went from skeleton through complete to final.

But you can not say he doesn't have PS. If you accept that the PS looks like Madara's, then you have to assume, through the similarities in Sasuke's PS wrapped around Kurama, that Sasuke has it too even if it is not complete. Even when Sasuke was at his skeleton form it wasn't said he didn't have susanoo since it wasn't complete, instead you called it incomplete susanoo. Instead of saying he doesn't have PS, say he has incomplete PS.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

When did Itachi cloak someone else in his susano'o?

He once protected Sasuke against Kabuto's attack by surrounding him with a susanoo hand....I feel like I remember seeing it another time as well I'd have to search for it though. Not really the same as completely cloaking a tailed beast in it but similar.

The only debate a person who doesn't believe Sasuke has PS can make is, " it's not stated, or no one said stabilize or it doesn't look exactly like Madara's." Honestly you people are being stubborn. You can predict chapters and connect foreshadowing to future events but when Kishi basically shoves it in your face you still say no.

If you can debate my evidence and logic with actual evidence and facts from manga and logic, then please do.

We'll start with showing both Sasuke's and Madara's modified PS wrapped around Kurama.

Sasuke's

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Madara's

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Sasuke's and Madara's share the same should pads as Madara's PS. Also the Mask's nose is the same. I believe you people are trying to state that Sasuke doesn't have the complete PS which is understandable and debatable since we've seen from Sasuke that over time his susanoo went from skeleton through complete to final.

But you can not say he doesn't have PS. If you accept that the PS looks like Madara's, then you have to assume, through the similarities in Sasuke's PS wrapped around Kurama, that Sasuke has it too even if it is not complete. Even when Sasuke was at his skeleton form it wasn't said he didn't have susanoo since it wasn't complete, instead you called it incomplete susanoo. Instead of saying he doesn't have PS, say he has incomplete PS.

I'd say that is a pretty fair analysis. As I said before there are parts of Sasuke's new Susanoo that look similar to Madara's stabilized PS, though there is no confirmation that he is actually using the complete (stabilized) PS.

I never said that Sasuke for sure doesn't have PS. I simply have my doubts as of now. Hopefully this will be cleared up within the next few chapters. I would like to see Madara's reaction to what just happened....he seems to be absent in recent chapters. A reaction from him would give us the confirmation necessary.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I've seen a lot of people talking about Sasuke having Perfect Susanoo lately, however, I've yet to see it stated anywhere that he was using PS against Obito in the recent chapters. People seem to have assumed that it MUST be perfect Susanoo since he cloaked the Kyuubi in it. However, We've seen Itachi cloak people in Susanoo before, that isn't really something that only can be done with PS.

Now, before the Sasuke fans charge in here and get all butthurt, I'm not saying that I'm 100% positive he DOES NOT have it. However there is significant doubt in my mind that the Susanoo he used in 651, 652 was PS.


When we saw Madara's PS it was huge. Larger than the Susanoo that Sasuke is using. Not only that but first he went into Susanoo's "final form" and then stabilized the chakra, making it the PS.

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----Madara's Perfect Susanoo

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-----Sasuke's "Perfect Susanoo" (look at the next page too)



Personally I think what we are seeing is Sasuke CLOSE to perfect Susanoo cloaking the Kyuubi. Part of the reason why I believe this is because if Sasuke indeed had PS I think someone would have said SOMETHING. That's a pretty big deal considering only 1 shinobi has ever been able to use it. There's always the possibility that Kishi just didn't bother putting anything because we had already seen PS, but you'd think if that were true he'd make it more apparent.

Now, this susanoo that Sasuke is using DOES look different from the complete susanoo that he was using against Kabuto. I think one thing that has gotten people so convinced is the nose looks similar to Madara's PS.



Anyway I felt the need to say something since everyone is like OMGZ 100% confirmed PS SASUKE OMGZ. It isn't really 100% confirmed yet. I'd give it a 50/50 chance but that's just my opinion.



BTW, I am NOT a Sasuke hater. I don't need butt hurt fanboys flaming me. Have a civilized intelligent discussion. If you think he definitely has PS and my doubt is ill-founded, explain it eloquently to try to convince me you are correct. Calling me a hater gets you nowhere and I want to hear from people why they are so sure it's PS, without the name calling dumbing down the discussion.

Who knows... maybe guys in NB are right, maybe not. It's not so explained in manga actually.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The only debate a person who doesn't believe Sasuke has PS can make is, " it's not stated, or no one said stabilize or it doesn't look exactly like Madara's." Honestly you people are being stubborn. You can predict chapters and connect foreshadowing to future events but when Kishi basically shoves it in your face you still say no.

If you can debate my evidence and logic with actual evidence and facts from manga and logic, then please do.

We'll start with showing both Sasuke's and Madara's modified PS wrapped around Kurama.

Sasuke's

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Madara's

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Sasuke's and Madara's share the same should pads as Madara's PS. Also the Mask's nose is the same. I believe you people are trying to state that Sasuke doesn't have the complete PS which is understandable and debatable since we've seen from Sasuke that over time his susanoo went from skeleton through complete to final.

But you can not say he doesn't have PS. If you accept that the PS looks like Madara's, then you have to assume, through the similarities in Sasuke's PS wrapped around Kurama, that Sasuke has it too even if it is not complete. Even when Sasuke was at his skeleton form it wasn't said he didn't have susanoo since it wasn't complete, instead you called it incomplete susanoo. Instead of saying he doesn't have PS, say he has incomplete PS.

Even I say that's still the Final Susano'o, but for the sake of semantics (maybe a thing of taste). How can it be "Perfect" if it is not "completed"? Just a thing of taste, really.