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[Chie]

Kagutsuchi is the ability to control the flames, which includes extinguishing and manipulating their shape. In the chapter that Sasuke first demonstrated Kagutsuchi, he extinguished the flames. Every time Sasuke has extinguished Amaterasu, the focus has been on his right eye, and he casts Amaterasu with his left. That supports that extinguishing the flames is a separate ability than Amaterasu, as it's housed in a different eye, the same eye that focus is brought on when Sasuke uses Kagutsuchi.

Itachi only ever used his right eye in regards to Amaterasu and I don't recall him turning it off. Just stopping it before it could burn more than Sasuke's wings during their fight. He did that by closing his eye so that the train of vision would be cut-off and the flames wouldn't spread.

Like I said, Kishi has overestimated the ability of some of you lot to put two and two together.

There have been cases where Kishimoto has had characters utilize abilities before without writing the name of tech on panel. This isn't the case here.

Danzo said that Sasuke's Genjutsu use was far below Itachi's Tsukiyomi because Itachi could manipulate time with Tsukiyomi. If Itachi is the only person with Tsukiyomi, he would have just said Tsukiyomi. If time manipulation always came with Tsukiyomi, then there'd once again be no point in saying Itachi's Tsukiyomi. Danzo saying Itachi's Tsukiyomi indicates that Itachi is not the only person with Tsukiyomi, since he made a note of specifying Itachi, and that Tsukiyomi doesn't always come with time manipulation, since he specifically noted that was the signature of Itachi's usage.

No, he would continue to say "Itachi's Tsukuyomi" since that is Itachi's technique and he was referencing him. I could say that no genjutsu is as potent as Shisui's KA, this doesn't mean that multiple Uchiha had KA. In fact, that implies it's Shisui's technique since I went to the trouble of referencing him and giving him a level of ownership.

The entire point behind Tsukuyomi is time manipulation. Without the manipulation of time during the short genjutsu, it's not Tsukuyomi... just another sharingan genjutsu. The same way a genjutsu without the potency of KA is basically just ephemeral.

We've gotten this thread off-topic. It is what it is and this no longer has any plot relevance with the turn the story has taken. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Itachi only ever used his right eye in regards to Amaterasu and I don't recall him turning it off. Just stopping it before it could burn more than Sasuke's wings during their fight. He did that by closing his eye so that the train of vision would be cut-off and the flames wouldn't spread.



There have been cases where Kishimoto has had characters utilize abilities before without writing the name of tech on panel. This isn't the case here.


No, he would continue to say "Itachi's Tsukuyomi" since that is Itachi's technique and he was referencing him. I could say that no genjutsu is as potent as Shisui's KA, this doesn't mean that multiple Uchiha had KA. In fact, that implies it's Shisui's technique since I went to the trouble of referencing him and giving him a level of ownership.

The entire point behind Tsukuyomi is time manipulation. Without the manipulation of time during the short genjutsu, it's not Tsukuyomi... just another sharingan genjutsu. The same way a genjutsu without the potency of KA is basically just ephemeral.

We've gotten this thread off-topic. It is what it is and this no longer has any plot relevance with the turn the story has taken. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

No, Itachi didn't stop the flames from spreading, he causes the flames that were on Sasuke's body already to fade away. That's extinguishing the flames, which falls into Kagutsuchi.

Yes, that's what it means. To say Itachi's Tsukiyomi means that you are referring to Itachi's usage of Tsukiyomi. If it was just Itachi and universal to Tsukiyomi everywhere, there would be no need to call it Itachi's Tsukiyomi, just Tsukiyomi.

Which is why Sasuke doesn't use it much. He failed to achieve the time manipulation that Itachi's Tsukiyomi had. And that's also why he just called it Sharingan Genjutsu. It's not the complete Tsukiyomi.

 

[SatanicGod]

Yeah but all the times sasuke has used his MS genjutsu, it has never been called tsukuyomi. Why would kishi go out of his way to do that if they were the same jutsu?

And I could ask you why would Kishi go out of his way to compare a regular "MS Genjutsu" to Tsukuyomi?

 

[Coolguy6666]

I thought inferno style could burn anything. To my surprise it can't burn anything infused with chakra
like gaaras sand. :'(. It is those minor things that make me sigh. I like things to be logical. I wish sasuke was more stronger. If you think about sasuke got his butt handed to him plenty of times, killer bee, danzo, itachi, kages, especially if it wasn't for those white zetsu spores which saved him from the lava kage and obito for saving him from the dust release user. Itachi was so sick. That's how sasuke won. Sasuke lost his edge when he lost curse mode. Just saying. Naruto had sage mode. It only makes sense that sasuke has curse mode. How many times have you heard that before.

 

[Coolguy6666]

Stirring away from the subject at hand. All we can do is say what if. The anime did turn out good at the end rather the manga did. Can't wait for the last episodes. The real topic being is the precinities of the dojutsus that EMS users use and why can't another EMS user perform the same jutsu. Anyone catching on. Is it really possible that each person have their own rare EMS ability. 7 known uchihas have unlocked abilities. Now all there is to do is compare them. I would say like someone with a rare condition like someone with more than one kekkai genkai would produce a rare jutsu. Example: Obito Uchiha. I think I am on to something. Who agrees? Or am I just rambling

 

[lndra]

OP had me dead XD

 

[Coolguy6666]

I agree with riker slade. The end