something alot of peaple seem to forget..

[iNotorious]

And then again, Obito's Juubi isn't even complete. The fruit hasn't formed. Naruto doesn't have the full Kurama. We don't even know the proportion of power of each bijuu.

You are assuming way too much things... your statements are not conclusive.

I even could reference the Kurama on its weakest possible situation (sharing chakra with all SA) almost completely blocked Tenpenchii (this technique was executed by 1-7 tails + partial 8-9 tails). The cloak was anything but dense at that point, and still Naruto was able to save the alliance from one of the most powerful skills of the Juubi. Doesn't this tell you that Yang Kurama was understimating itself? Only half of kurama is incredibly strong, I still wonder what would do the Full Kurama.

So, I gave you the proof that only Half of Kurama was enough to fight the first stage of the Juubi, on its "unmeasurable state". And I told you about Naruto combining this power with Sage Mode.

How can you be so certain about him being weaker than Obito? Is there any explicit proof that concludes in absolute terms, that Bijuu Mode Naruto can't fight against Imperfect Jinchuuriki Obito?

Hirudora stop solo'ing the thread, gosh....

On Topic: Obito is the jinchuuriki and he's getting solo'd by naruto and sasuke. XD Oh boy.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Hirudora stop solo'ing the thread, gosh....

Oh Lol XD. But I want to understand his logic at its fullest, that's all.

On Topic: Obito is the jinchuuriki and he's getting solo'd by naruto and sasuke. XD Oh boy.

The point being, Obito has a tremendous disadventage compared to Naruto... Naruto was aknowledged by the beasts as the next Sage. Obito was not aknowledged, so Obito can't use the full power of the beasts.

 

[izzy89]

im missing something here...why won't naruto achieve the same power with 7 full bijuus...obito had 7 plus only a little of the 8 & 9 tails chakra...even if naruto doesn't get the one & 8 tails...a completed kurama could still compensate. once the bijuu are combined the juubi is formed, whose chakra is comprised of natural energy...why wouldn't it equal out to be the same? with naruto equipped with sage mode he could further tap into and augment that natural energy...(what i see as the missing link)

 

[iNotorious]

Oh Lol XD. But I want to understand his logic at its fullest, that's all.



The point being, Obito has a tremendous disadventage compared to Naruto... Naruto was aknowledged by the beasts as the next Sage. Obito was not aknowledged, so Obito can't use the full power of the beasts.

@Bold #1,

Yea right :devil:

@Bold #2,

From 2- 9 Yes i agree however shukaku hasn't acknowledged naruto yet.

 

[Honord Sage]

Add the fact Obito is not Sage train He is using the Juubi Power in His ninjutsu,Taijutsu and Genjutsu, Naruto is a 100% Sage He can use the Juubi's power in pure Senjutsu and Frog Kata and they Hurt Obito.

 

[Mr Hiru]

From 2- 9 Yes i agree however shukaku hasn't acknowledged naruto yet.

And Hachibi.

Well, Obito doesn't have any. Lol

Add the fact Obito is not Sage train He is using the Juubi Power in His ninjutsu,Taijutsu and Genjutsu, Naruto is a 100% Sage He can use the Juubi's power in pure Senjutsu and Frog Kata and they Hurt Obito.

I forgot about that. Only Juubi can use Nature chakra, but not Obito as Jinchuuriki.

 

[iNotorious]

And Hachibi.

Well, Obito doesn't have any. Lol



I forgot about that. Only Juubi can use Nature chakra, but not Obito as Jinchuuriki.

Does the juubi counts?

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[waldokill]

what if kurama can do sage mode =D

 

[Senju Bean]

The yang half of Kurama was able to deflect the bijuu dama of 5 bijuu... from two to seven tails.

So taking in mind that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, we could safely assume that the Full Kyuubi is more powerful than the sum of one to seven tails.

Yes, and the Juubi, in whatever form, is greater than all the Bijuu combined, not only by a little bit, but by a margin that's far too great to be described in words .

 

[Mr Hiru]

Does the juubi counts?

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Good point. Yes, it counts.

Yes, and the Juubi, in whatever form, is greater than all the Bijuu combined, not only by a little bit, but by a margin that's far too great to be described in words .

Obito's Juubi isn't complete yet. But actually, its power is far beyond any shinobi ability.

 

[osba]

And then again, Obito's Juubi isn't even complete. The fruit hasn't formed. Naruto doesn't have the full Kurama. We don't even know the proportion of power of each bijuu.

who says there will be a fruit? it only forms once every 1000 years so you can't really expect it to grow one so fast.

You are assuming way too much things... your statements are not conclusive.

the juubi is buffed alot by the gedo mazo gathering nature energy.. why do you think naruto said it is immeasurable if it was just 1-7 tails + 33% nature energy (wich is the current correct and manga proven numbers on sage mode)

I even could reference the Kurama on its weakest possible situation (sharing chakra with all SA) almost completely blocked Tenpenchii (this technique was executed by 1-7 tails + partial 8-9 tails). The cloak was anything but dense at that point, and still Naruto was able to save the alliance from one of the most powerful skills of the Juubi. Doesn't this tell you that Yang Kurama was understimating itself? Only half of kurama is incredibly strong, I still wonder what would do the Full Kurama.

1: the juubi was not done gathering nature energy.
2: obito was attacking to discourage, not to kill.

So, I gave you the proof that only Half of Kurama was enough to fight the first stage of the Juubi, on its "unmeasurable state". And I told you about Naruto combining this power with Sage Mode.

How can you be so certain about him being weaker than Obito? Is there any explicit proof that concludes in absolute terms, that Bijuu Mode Naruto can't fight against Imperfect Jinchuuriki Obito?

you are forgetting about the nature energy boost that the gedo mazo, collecting nature energy, gave to the juubi.. if the bijuu combined are worth 100, the juubi might aswell be worth 400.. you really are underestimating "immeasurable" oh, also, the juubi was still gathering energy, he grew into a tree after all... just saying :yeah: he must have been holding back just to save energy and make the "turning into a tree" process actually happen/happen faster.

 

[izzy89]

who says there will be a fruit? it only forms once every 1000 years so you can't really expect it to grow one so fast.


the juubi is buffed alot by the gedo mazo gathering nature energy.. why do you think naruto said it is immeasurable if it was just 1-7 tails + 33% nature energy (wich is the current correct and manga proven numbers on sage mode)
1: the juubi was not done gathering nature energy.
2: obito was attacking to discourage, not to kill.
you are forgetting about the nature energy boost that the gedo mazo, collecting nature energy, gave to the juubi.. if the bijuu combined are worth 100, the juubi might aswell be worth 400.. you really are underestimating "immeasurable" oh, also, the juubi was still gathering energy, he grew into a tree after all... just saying :yeah: he must have been holding back just to save energy and make the "turning into a tree" process actually happen/happen faster.

where does it say in the manga that gedo mazo gathered natural chakra for the juubi...i thought the juubi was natural chakra?

 

[osba]

where does it say in the manga that gedo mazo gathered natural chakra for the juubi...i thought the juubi was natural chakra?

1:

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you can see he is gathering nature energy by the spirals going towards it..
2: if juubi was nature energy from the start, why did it need time to turn into it's final form? that would basically make it gedo mazo + 1-9 tails' chakra (or at least a bit with 8 and 9) = juubi = instantaniously turned into nature energy? nah

 

[Mr Hiru]

who says there will be a fruit? it only forms once every 1000 years so you can't really expect it to grow one so fast.

I think there have passed already 1000 years. That's at least enough for the Senju/Uchiha bloodline to be thinned.

What's most important... Madara mentioned the fruit. Kishimoto wouldn't tell something like this just for ornament... it is a possible foreshadowing of what's coming.

the juubi is buffed alot by the gedo mazo gathering nature energy.. why do you think naruto said it is immeasurable if it was just 1-7 tails + 33% nature energy (wich is the current correct and manga proven numbers on sage mode)

I think you're a bit mislead about that. The ratio for 33% nature energy + 33% physical energy + 33% spiritual energy is the requirement for Sage Mode. It doesn't have anything to do with Obito as a Jinchuuriki or the Juubi.

What's more, Jyugo Clan ability is the same as the Juubi: Collect Natural energy. "Collect", not to use it balanced with spiritual and physical energy (Sage Mode). Of course, one of the abilities of a Sage Mode user is to Collect Natural Energy, but to balance it with Physical and Spiritual Energy is something far different (Guess why Sasuke still depends on Juugo to use that giant Curse Mark... because Sasuke lacks Physical Energy, maybe?).

The only thing Juubi has done until now is to use Natural energy in its raw state, the Juubi hasn't used Spiritual or Physical Energy, because Juubi lacks these two lasts types of energies, reason of why Ninjutsu didn't work on the Omyoudon Shield.

1: the juubi was not done gathering nature energy.
2: obito was attacking to discourage, not to kill.

Yes, agreed.

But who knows... maybe the chakra inside Naruto is growing as well. No wonder why Naruto keeps standing.

you are forgetting about the nature energy boost that the gedo mazo, collecting nature energy, gave to the juubi.. if the bijuu combined are worth 100, the juubi might aswell be worth 400.. you really are underestimating "immeasurable" oh, also, the juubi was still gathering energy, he grew into a tree after all... just saying :yeah: he must have been holding back just to save energy and make the "turning into a tree" process actually happen/happen faster.

Why would the Juubi hold back when it doesn't have a consciousness to start with?

 

[Senju Bean]

Obito's Juubi isn't complete yet. But actually, its power is far beyond any shinobi ability.

Even in the weakest state, the Juubi is much more powerful. The weak second state, scrawny form, had a TBB explosion that was much, much bigger then the TBB explosion caused by Yang Kurama TBB + 2-7 TTBs. The tip of the Juubi TBB explosion looked like it was about to reach outer space. Again, that was one of the Juubi's weakest TBB.


There is no doubt that all the tailed beasts combined cannot compete with this level of power.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Even in the weakest state, the Juubi is much more powerful. The weak second state, scrawny form, had a TBB explosion that was much, much bigger then the TBB explosion caused by Yang Kurama TBB + 2-7 TTBs. The tip of the Juubi TBB explosion looked like it was about to reach outer space. Again, that was one of the Juubi's weakest TBB.


There is no doubt that all the tailed beasts combined cannot compete with this level of power.

Oh well... we will see what happens right now, shall we?

 

[osba]

I think there have passed already 1000 years. That's at least enough for the Senju/Uchiha bloodline to be thinned.

What's most important... Madara mentioned the fruit. Kishimoto wouldn't tell something like this just for ornament... it is a possible foreshadowing of what's coming.

yeah but if it takes a 1000 years cyclus to grow, how can you expect a, wich looks like a sprout, to grow one?

I think you're a bit mislead about that. The ratio for 33% nature energy + 33% physical energy + 33% spiritual energy is the requirement for Sage Mode. It doesn't have anything to do with Obito as a Jinchuuriki or the Juubi.

What's more, Jyugo Clan ability is the same as the Juubi: Collect Natural energy. "Collect", not to use it balanced with spiritual and physical energy (Sage Mode). Of course, one of the abilities of a Sage Mode user is to Collect Natural Energy, but to balance it with Physical and Spiritual Energy is something far different (Guess why Sasuke still depends on Juugo to use that giant Curse Mark... because Sasuke lacks Physical Energy, maybe?).

The only thing Juubi has done until now is to use Natural energy in its raw state, the Juubi hasn't used Spiritual or Physical Energy, because Juubi lacks these two lasts types of energies, reason of why Ninjutsu didn't work on the Omyoudon Shield.

so you ARE saying the numbers are diffrent huh?

Why would the Juubi hold back when it doesn't have a consciousness to start with?

because obito and madara were controlling it.. when it was in controll it even tried to destroy obito..

 

[Mr Hiru]

Oh well Obito was defeated

 

[osba]

Oh well Obito was defeated

too bad they didnt just suck obito out of the juubi instead but hey, you can't have everything can you?

 

[Mr Hiru]

too bad they didnt just suck obito out of the juubi instead but hey, you can't have everything can you?

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