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Why exactly do you think sasuke is faster and has better taijutsu than kakashi? On what do you base this? Where does it say he is? Is sasuke known for being fast? (maybe like minato/raikage) or for having good taijutsu? (like guy/lee)

And for kirin, sasuke needs to lure kakashi to a higher place then sasuke himself is, which would probably only be possible in a building. The reason that actually worked on itachi was because itachi was mostly dodging instead of attacking. But of course, I do agree that once he actually succeeds in performing kirin, Kakashi will definetly lose.

Tsukuyomi; you cant really say its a fact that kakashi cant break it because hes not an uchiha. But you know what, lets say he cant and its a fact. If itachi were to pull out kakashi's eye, and the genjutsu is over, he wouldnt have gotten hospitalized or damaged that much because million stabs hurt more. You cant deny that, it wouldn be logical to deny that.

And tsukuyomi is only a manipulation of time, if the illusion feels like it took longer than it actually did <<-- this is what a manipulation of time is. If an event in an illusion feels as if it took just as long in reality, then how is time being manipulated? Or is time just being manipulated because the manga says this illusion is categorized as 'tsukuyomi'?

Yes... in fact he is known for being fast.

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You can go review his taijutsu yourself. I'm not posting scans for this basic knowledge.

And dude... it is a fact that only Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi... my god. Obviously nothing I say is getting through to you.
 
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Yes... in fact he is known for being fast.

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You can go review his taijutsu yourself. I'm not posting scans for this basic knowledge.

And dude... it is a fact that only Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi... my god. Obviously nothing I say is getting through to you.

Nothing you say is getting through to me? You're the one thats ignoring all my arguments, and saying stuff like 'Tsukuyomi itself is a manipulation of time. No matter the duration.' Which doesnt make sense cus time manipulation means that something feels as if it lasted longer/shorter than it actually did (which didnt happen in the genjutsu battle with sasuke).

Also, these pages only say that sasuke is fast. Thats ALL. They dont say he's faster or stronger than kakashi <-- Thats what we're looking for in this discussion.

And if its a fact, show me a manga scan. You know what, never mind that cus the point you were trying to prove is that sasuke broke it himself and kakashi couldnt do it in the first place while the main point is that itachi didnt manipulate time in the battle against sasuke (because he was going easy on him)
 
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true because it'd be too OP. You either die to genjutsu, ninjutsu, or susano'o taijutsu :/
 

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Nothing you say is getting through to me? You're the one thats ignoring all my arguments, and saying stuff like 'Tsukuyomi itself is a manipulation of time. No matter the duration.' Which doesnt make sense cus time manipulation means that something feels as if it lasted longer/shorter than it actually did (which didnt happen in the genjutsu battle with sasuke).

Also, these pages only say that sasuke is fast. Thats ALL. They dont say he's faster or stronger than kakashi <-- Thats what we're looking for in this discussion.

If its a fact, show me a manga scan.

Ignoring your arguments? I'm only addressing the points I made. Sasuke's feats surpass Kakashi's feats. Put 2 and 2 together. Its not rocket science.

I think you're right about the time manipulation though.
 
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Ignoring your arguments? I'm only addressing the points I made. Sasuke's feats surpass Kakashi's feats. Put 2 and 2 together. Its not rocket science.

I think you're right about the time manipulation though.

Okok, lets just skip the kakashi vs sasuke stuff then. Because the main topic was whether or not Itachi was going easy on Sasuke. And if he wasnt manipulating time in his genjutsu on sasuke, then dont you think he was going easy on him?
 

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I agree...it's why I put Itachi so high in my rankings. Can you imagine an itachi fighting an opposition because said opposition killed Sasuke?! I mean we have not once see him with the intent to completely destroy. Or seen him actually fight with serious passion. That's why Itachi will always be in my to 10. I'd say a fight against Itachi like this healthy...Madara or Hashirama would lose if they made just one mistake...just one. My opinion.
 

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Okok, lets just skip the kakashi vs sasuke stuff then. Because the main topic was whether or not Itachi was going easy on Sasuke. And if he wasnt manipulating time in his genjutsu on sasuke, then dont you think he was going easy on him?

No, because even though I'm unsure of this time manipulation ordeal, that was still Itachi's strongest form of genjutsu. If it was a basic genjutsu then you could argue that he went easy. But rather than using basic genjutsu, he decided to use Tsukuyomi. In fact he started out the fight with his Mangekyou Sharingan.

And like I said earlier, after Sasuke broke his Tsukuyomi, Itachi was forced to rely on ninjutsu for the remaining duration of the fight. Yeah Itachi's sickness played a role, but it was apparent that Sasuke was pushing Itachi, just like Itachi was pushing Sasuke.

People make it seem like it was an easy victory for Sasuke.
 

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A healthy Itachi with killing intent, who has blood-lust and doesn't at all hold back.
thats itachi all the time. he doesnt value or care about anyone but himself and his brother. a true monster incapable of proper morality
Agreed. That way, MS Obito actually posed a threat to him.
nothing itachi has even comes close to obito
Every fight he'd been in, he was holding back.
no every fight he was in he was either trying to murder them (nagato, uchihas, kakashi) or wanting to torutre them brutally (sasuke, naruto). you tell me how torture is a form of mercy
 

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I mean we have not once see him with the intent to completely destroy. Or seen him actually fight with serious passion.
we saw that ALL THE TIME. he truly intended for kakashi to die when he stabbed him in the back. he truly intended to beat sasuke to near death and destroy his mind. he truly feared obito which is why he never even tried to fight him
 
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