Some Naruto fans... too simple minded or straightforward.

[Mad Daz]

I typically dont expect much from you anymore. However, this is a very nice post.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. anime shows multiple (you'll say anime is not cannon) (i'll say manga just didn't zoom out.) It doesn't matter what Madara would've wanted .. its about why Hashirama was going to do it.. So both clans can be friends.. and thus ending the long era of war.


2. Well the villages he faced against are easily responsible for more than 40k deaths.

3a. He actually put rationality. The guy knew how to run politics. If Madara had been Hokage, it would've had a whole lot of impact.
3b. he stabber obito through the heart. Tried to kill him.. but your fav character stopped him.
3c. He put the village and the shinobi before Sasuke. There would be no conflict, if he was putting sasuke before everything. He'd be joining him then.

4. And thats what Naruto/Hashirama have done.. the so called "Talk no jutsu" is confronting the problem.

2.

1.if it didn't matter he would have never attempted to kill himself.

2. Your point? Kakashi was being selfish in attempting to make obito go back to the way things were. And it's painful obvious since he had no problems trying to kill the man when the mask was on. Once the mask came off his judgment became clouded and he put his selfish needs above that of the world.

3a. Lol no that was Tobirama. Tobirama even chastised him for trying to attempt such foolishness.
3b. Afterwards he did that. He should have done it the first time he went in. And minato stopped him over the very same bond bs. Minato had 0 problem trying to take his life during the 9 tail attack.
3c. No he put sasuke b4 the village. Hence why Sasuke was hunted by anbu, hence why he cried to raikage to forgive sasuke (when he should go to Sasuke and have him explain himself) hence why when all is said and done he'll attempt to protect sasuke from due trial.

4. They never did that.

 

[shelke]

Experience and then spout the crap.

Experience what, exactly? Whatever I say, I say it out of experience. Forgiveness has its limit, and sages are a myth.

 

[KingHashirama]

Experience what, exactly? Whatever I say, I say it out of experience. Forgiveness has its limit, and sage's are a myth.

Ah too bad they are a reality also.

"forgiveness has its limit".. of course.. but thread has nothing to do with "forgiveness" to the extreme.

1.if it didn't matter he would have never attempted to kill himself.

2. Your point? Kakashi was being selfish in attempting to make obito go back to the way things were. And it's painful obvious since he had no problems trying to kill the man when the mask was on. Once the mask came off his judgment became clouded and he put his selfish needs above that of the world.

3a. Lol no that was Tobirama. Tobirama even chastised him for trying to attempt such foolishness.
3b. Afterwards he did that. He should have done it the first time he went in. And minato stopped him over the very same bond bs. Minato had 0 problem trying to take his life during the 9 tail attack.
3c. No he put sasuke b4 the village. Hence why Sasuke was hunted by anbu, hence why he cried to raikage to forgive sasuke (when he should go to Sasuke and have him explain himself) hence why when all is said and done he'll attempt to protect sasuke from due trial.

4. They never did that.

1. WAs the only way for uchiha and senju to co-exist. I'm quite sure Hashirama knew about the uchiha of that time, more than we knew about them.

2. Changing obito = saving the world. rofl. Don't see how thats putting obito before the world.

3a. Tobirama? you mean the guy who didn't even know how people work? The guy who didn't even realize that seperating a specific clan only creates distrust? The same guy who turned "democracy" into a "dictatorship"? Please mate.
3b. Minato didn't know that was Obito rofl.... When he found out that was obito.. he stopped kakashi from killing him =].
3c. He has a deep bond with Sasuke, that you do not understand. You are repeating the same shit over and over.. while the manga keeps on saying Village > Sasuke.. .

4. then you should learn what confronting the problem is.



See dude, you get proven wrong.. but you just keep going around in circles.

 

[shelke]

Ah too bad they are a reality also.

"forgiveness has its limit".. of course.. but thread has nothing to do with "forgiveness" to the extreme.

Have you come across a sage? I don't mean the equivalent of Naruto's moronic Hogomoro, but by actual definition of the term.

It does, given that he found a guy who killed his mother cool.

 

[KingHashirama]

Have you come across a sage? I don't mean the equivalent of Naruto's moronic Hogomoro, but by actual definition of the term.

It does, given that he found a guy who killed his mother cool.

Sage: wise through reflection and experience

As i said mate come meet my grandfather .

@Bold, many of us have tried to explain what that meant to those who are simple-minded.. yet you people keep on ignoring it. Why bring it up, when even if i counter it, you'll just ignore it and keep on repeating the samething?

 

[shelke]

Sage: wise through reflection and experience

As i said mate come meet my grandfather .

@Bold, many of us have tried to explain what that meant to those who are simple-minded.. yet you people keep on ignoring it. Why bring it up, when even if i counter it, you'll just ignore it and keep on repeating the samething?

Read the etymology of the term. The word has roots in monasticism or monastic life in general. In other words, mysticism.

I am far from being a simple-minded individual. Try me, please.

 

[KingHashirama]

Read the etymology of the term. The word has roots in monasticism or monastic life in general. In other words, mysticism.

I am far from being a simple-minded individual. Try me, please.

That is cool, you are talking about mythological sages. However, Sage in general is a reference to someone who has gained wisdom through experience and self-reflection.

Don't need to try you again, when you have already shown your simple-mind regarding the situation. .

 

[frozen5]

I suppose they are simple minded as fk and believe in the whole realist shit...

when someone does not act like a normal person would they say the person is unrealistic... its a fkin manga kishi can carry the forgiveness to whateva levels he want... because thats how we are suppose to be towards each other...

and also they fail to realise that not because naruto had supposely forgiven obito means he would have just let him run free in the wild... of course he would have had to pay for his crimes.. it was even said in the dam manga..

 

[KingHashirama]

I suppose they are simple minded as fk and believe in the whole realist shit...

when someone does not act like a normal person would they say the person is unrealistic... its a fkin manga kishi can carry the forgiveness to whateva levels he want... because thats how we are suppose to be towards each other...

and also they fail to realise that not because naruto had supposely forgiven obito means he would have just let him run free in the wild... of course he would have had to pay for his crimes.. it was even said in the dam manga..

Yup he stated it himself, that he can't forgive Obito, or Nagato.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ah too bad they are a reality also.

"forgiveness has its limit".. of course.. but thread has nothing to do with "forgiveness" to the extreme.


1. WAs the only way for uchiha and senju to co-exist. I'm quite sure Hashirama knew about the uchiha of that time, more than we knew about them.

2. Changing obito = saving the world. rofl. Don't see how thats putting obito before the world.

3a. Tobirama? you mean the guy who didn't even know how people work? The guy who didn't even realize that seperating a specific clan only creates distrust? The same guy who turned "democracy" into a "dictatorship"? Please mate.
3b. Minato didn't know that was Obito rofl.... When he found out that was obito.. he stopped kakashi from killing him =].
3c. He has a deep bond with Sasuke, that you do not understand. You are repeating the same shit over and over.. while the manga keeps on saying Village > Sasuke.. .

4. then you should learn what confronting the problem is.



See dude, you get proven wrong.. but you just keep going around in circles.

1.No it wasn't. Uchiha were already assimilated into senju. Offering themselves as war prisoners.

2. Obviously you can say that in hindsight. And it's a side from the point.

3a. No the guy who structured all of konoha. The guy that said the citizens have a right to choose who their leader is (democracy) and not just be forced to deal with madara because of his connects(dictatorship)
Try harder.
3b. Exactly. Before knowing who he was he had 0 problems ending the guy that single handedly killed 40k, and endangered the remaining sa. But once he saw the face, the death of neji, countless nameless shinobi, his wife, and himself heck even the life of his own son went out the window. All of a sudden obito needs precedes his and that of the world. That's selfish not selfless.
3c. The manga says the opposite though. Sasuke> everything else in the eyes of naruto. Hence why he'd let sasuke kill him if it made sasuke happy.

4. I know what it is. I don't think they know it though. Instead they say bullshit like "we'll talk about it in the after life"

 

[shelke]

That is cool, you are talking about mythological sages. However, Sage in general is a reference to someone who has gained wisdom through experience and self-reflection.

Don't need to try you again, when you have already shown your simple-mind regarding the situation. .

That is what the original term refers to. One word can have many connotative meanings, but it's the original term that holds most power.

That would be simple-mindedness, not simple-minded in regards to how that words should be used there. I need better, thoughtful explanations. Your OP is quite lacking in this department.

 

[KingHashirama]

That is what the original term refers to. One word can have many connotative meanings, but it's the original term that holds most power.

That would be simple-mindedness, not simple-minded in regards to how that words should be used there. I need better, thoughtful explanations. Your OP is quite lacking in this department.

terms are created by humans, and thus the meanings are changed by humans as well.

Then you should ask for explanations, and not repeat things that have been countered when the chapter came out. What explanation do you need?

1.No it wasn't. Uchiha were already assimilated into senju. Offering themselves as war prisoners.

2. Obviously you can say that in hindsight. And it's a side from the point.

3a. No the guy who structured all of konoha. The guy that said the citizens have a right to choose who their leader is (democracy) and not just be forced to deal with madara because of his connects(dictatorship)
Try harder.
3b. Exactly. Before knowing who he was he had 0 problems ending the guy that single handedly killed 40k, and endangered the remaining sa. But once he saw the face, the death of neji, countless nameless shinobi, his wife, and himself heck even the life of his own son went out the window. All of a sudden obito needs precedes his and that of the world. That's selfish not selfless.
3c. The manga says the opposite though. Sasuke> everything else in the eyes of naruto. Hence why he'd let sasuke kill him if it made sasuke happy.

4. I know what it is. I don't think they know it though. Instead they say bullshit like "we'll talk about it in the after life"

1. only some uchiha started parting.. not all. Furthermore, the youth of uchiha was still behind Madara. There were many who looked up to him.

2. but that is the point.. lol.

3a. The guy who structured the village = Hashirama. Tobirama implanted the plans hashirama had for the village when he was a kid.. loll. If he wasn't a big political genius, clans wouldn't be uniting with him. Yet Hiruzen/Danzo were solely selected by Tobirama, and turned into a dictatorship. (don't need to, when the manga is against you. lol.)
3b. Yea before he didn't know that was his student that he failed to save, now he knew that was student. Furthermore, you are talking about a re-deemed Obito... not a villain Obito. Naruto/Kakashi/Minato had no problems f*cking up obito when he was vthe villain.
3c. Really? Now can i get the scan for the bold?

4. But how many times do you want them to confornt the problem? How many times do you want Hashirama to confront the problem? How do you confront the problem when the person has acknoeledged his problems and turned good?


Obito/Nagato/ Madara = Pawns of Zetsu. .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't feel like repeating myself anymore. As long as you acknowledge that the relationship isnt healthy,(quite volatile in fact) harmful to one of the recipients and put countless lives in danger I'm happy.

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't feel like repeating myself anymore. As long as you acknowledge that the relationship isnt healthy,(quite volatile in fact) harmful to one of the recipients and put countless lives in danger I'm happy.

thread isn't about healthy relationshops lol.

 

[shelke]

terms are created by humans, and thus the meanings are changed by humans as well.

Then you should ask for explanations, and not repeat things that have been countered when the chapter came out. What explanation do you need?

Let's not start turning into a dictionary expert.

I asked you explain this concept of forgiveness better. You can expand upon the points you have mentioned in the OP better.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

thread isn't about healthy relationshops lol.

So you acknowledge it then. cool

 

[KingHashirama]

Let's not start turning into a dictionary expert.

I asked you explain this concept of forgiveness better. You can expand upon the points you have mentioned in the OP better.

@Bold, of course there is always a room for further explanation.

And what concept of forgiveness? which one?

So you acknowledge it then. cool

lol it really doesn't matter to me loll.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

terms are created by humans, and thus the meanings are changed by humans as well.

Then you should ask for explanations, and not repeat things that have been countered when the chapter came out. What explanation do you need?


1. only some uchiha started parting.. not all. Furthermore, the youth of uchiha was still behind Madara. There were many who looked up to him.

2. but that is the point.. lol.

3a. The guy who structured the village = Hashirama. Tobirama implanted the plans hashirama had for the village when he was a kid.. loll. If he wasn't a big political genius, clans wouldn't be uniting with him. Yet Hiruzen/Danzo were solely selected by Tobirama, and turned into a dictatorship. (don't need to, when the manga is against you. lol.)
3b. Yea before he didn't know that was his student that he failed to save, now he knew that was student. Furthermore, you are talking about a re-deemed Obito... not a villain Obito. Naruto/Kakashi/Minato had no problems f*cking up obito when he was vthe villain.
3c. Really? Now can i get the scan for the bold?

4. But how many times do you want them to confornt the problem? How many times do you want Hashirama to confront the problem? How do you confront the problem when the person has acknoeledged his problems and turned good?


Obito/Nagato/ Madara = Pawns of Zetsu. .

1. No they weren't. And it was practically all. Even his own clans men went against him. Madara said himself this very chapter that nobody follows him. (As expected of a indra)

2.no it's not.

3a.false. Tobirama structured the village. Created the rules of shinobi followed democracy etc. They only united with hashirama due to his strength. Hiruzen still had to get jounin vote. Danzo didn't become kage.
3b.no I'm talking about villain juubi jin obito. The obito that trapped them in a barrier and tried to kill them obito. Yet minato is sitting there asking questions like "why?" And "how?"
3c. Kage summit.

4.the first time hashirama confronted the problem was valley of end. All other times he let madara get his way willy nilly. And the only time he truly talked to him was this chapter, were he explained to him that he can't do everything himself. And what were they?
Hashirama was a dead man brought back to the real world by edo tensai. Whereas madara was a dead man brought back by edo tensai, fully revived by rinne tensai but yet still for the 3 time on his deathbed.

 

[shelke]

@Bold, of course there is always a room for further explanation.

And what concept of forgiveness? which one?

How does people not forgiving others is ultimately a Raikage stance? Raikage was a retarded hypocritical swine. He carried out random incursions against Hyuga Clan and on Konoha to procure nine-tails, and he also amassed ninjutsu despite the disarmament treaty. Yet, he was so up-set when his own Jin was take - or so he assumed? How does that equate with people not forgiving every individual that commits vile acts?

Your analogy of familial bonds is also completely off the mark. Parents and siblings forgive, no matter how atrocious the crime of their children or siblings, as they are tied by the force of blood. There is no reason for anyone to forgive a random stranger, when the act is targeted at the individual. Mind you, parents and siblings don't forgive the aggressor either, if they are the victim of the aggression.

So, how exactly have you connected this analogy with Naruto finding Obito cool? Is he is milk-mother from another life, or something?