[Theory] So6P is not a Uzumaki

[iNotorious]

There is one thing I agree with this post... Theories are mere theories. They are not facts.
You can't assume a theory is a fact, but you can refute it when you find something that counter-arguments it.

That said, Sir Derp Obito's theories remain as theories in my eyes. They seem to have a good list of relationships between the manga and religious symbolisms and rituals, but these "relationships" are not facts.

It's people's fault for believe that these theories are a truth, so alternatives theories that "may" also be true are discarded just because there is one that "seems to have more relationships with symbols".

Of course, I'm not against Sir Derp Obito's way to make theories. He makes his researches and his theories are very plausible, and even logical. The real problem here is that people is not opened to look further the tree... there is a forest too.

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'Proof Guy' Hirudora.

Couldn't have said it better myself my friend :yeah:

 

[Armathyx]

Uzumaki are related to both Senju and Uchiha,the difference is the Uzumaki were on friendly terms with the Senju,logic dictates that if you are friendly with one kin you are going to be unfriendly with the other sines the Senju and Uchiha were at war with each other.The same way if you are at war with your brother but your cousin is on good terms with you,your brother may ended up being on bad terms with His cousin for taking His brother side. The SO6P had two sons who's descendants started to call themselves Uchiha and Senju to distinguish themselves from their father Family Name The Uzumaki and theirs nothing to say the SO6P did not have brothers and sisters who were Uzumaki and after the Sages death they carry on the family Name.

In bold: major ass-pull right there huh... nice jumping into conclusions just because some dude theorised about it.

What you say makes no sense son. If the sage were a Uzumaki how did he give birth to non-Uzumaki?

Are you forgetting that this dude created all jutsu, and that before his sons shinobi clans didn't even exist? He was a mix of all shinobi. This is fact, not theory, it's stated that he was a living god who created the art of ninjutsu as a whole.

 

[Honord Sage]

In bold: major ass-pull right there huh... nice jumping into conclusions just because some dude theorised about it.

What you say makes no sense son. If the sage were a Uzumaki how did he give birth to non-Uzumaki?

Are you forgetting that this dude created all jutsu, and that before his sons shinobi clans didn't even exist? He was a mix of all shinobi. This is fact, not theory, it's stated that he was a living god who created the art of ninjutsu as a whole.

The Fist and the Second son were not born Senju or Uchiha get that in your head it was the descendant who began calling themselves Senju and Uchiha years after they left their father place and became nomads in the land of fire. Whats so hard? its logical. You better not get a job in genealogy because you don't understand how it works. When the Sage was alive their were no Uchiha, No Senju and thats the bottom line.

 

[Armathyx]

The Fist and the Second son were not born Senju or Uchiha get that in your head it was the descendant who began calling themselves Senju and Uchiha years after they left their father place and became nomads in the land of fire. Whats so hard? its logical. You better not get a job in genealogy because you don't understand how it works. When the Sage was alive their were no Uchiha, No Senju and thats the bottom line.

The sage was not a Uzumaki, get that in your head. It's a group among the many shinobi clans that followed the Sage's death who began calling themselves Uzumaki. It's you who doesn't understand anything about genealogy. The sage was not a Uzumaki, and that's the bottom line son.

 

[jt1891]

...Duh? It's kind of obvious that he wasn't an 'Uzumaki' as the clan didn't exist yet. The Sage's sons were the progenitors of the Uchiha and Senju clans respectively, and the Uzumaki are merely an offshoot of the Senju.

 

[thesurvivor]

of course not hes namikaze

 

[Trollasaur]

dis gun be good

 

[Trollasaur]

This is the only paragraph I read, after picking it randomly. This topic is dumb. So you're saying Naruto is not an Uzumaki? Hahaha, kiddo.

Naruto isn't a full blooded uzumaki, he actually resembles naminkinze alot more.

 

[Voidstep]

so, if the sage is not an Uzumaki, who is he then?? tell uz, you seem to know exactly who he is, so why you hiding it from us!?11?

 

[Henrik]

I respect that people have theorys. But saying that he is an Uzumaki when it's clearly stated that he is both Senju and Uchiha is stupid.

 

[Baconheimer]

so what you're saying is sir derp obito is wrong and you're right when the sage hasn't even been revealed yet?
you agree that theories are just theories yet you state in your 'theory' that the sage is not an uzumaki as if it's a fact.
what i'm saying is your 'theory' is a buncha baloney.

 

[Voidstep]

I respect that people have theorys. But saying that he is an Uzumaki when it's clearly stated that he is both Senju and Uchiha is stupid.

what a fu... say what??

 

[Henrik]

what a fu... say what??

Let me make it clear.

Some people are calling him an Uzumaki when they for example state something in the manga, like ''Rikudou sennin (Uzumaki) defeated the Juubi) which is wrong because it has been stated that he is both Senju and Uchiha - and Uzumaki is a part of Senju.

If you don't get me, then hard life

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Let me make it clear.

Some people are calling him an Uzumaki when they for example state something in the manga, like ''Rikudou sennin (Uzumaki) defeated the Juubi) which is wrong because it has been stated that he is both Senju and Uchiha - and Uzumaki is a part of Senju.

If you don't get me, then hard life

The Uzumaki is not part of the Senju Clan they are merely distant relatives:

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And please don't use the "Zetsu Statement" to point out that the Uzumakis are off-shoots or a sibling clan of the Senju because I have clearly debunked that here:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

And the descendants of the Elder and Younger Sons were said to be the Uchihas and Senjus only:

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The Uzumakis clearly did not descend from the Younger Son.

So what then is the Uzumaki's true relationship with the Senjus and Uchihas? simple, they are the original bloodline of the Sage of the Six Paths.

The Uchiha+Senju statement applied only to Rikudou Sennin when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, because the Uchiha and Senju are literally the Yin and Yang of the Juubi:

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prior to becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikudou Sennin was purely an Uzumaki.

The correct equation is: Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi = Uchiha (Elder Son/Yin) and Senju (Younger Son/Yang)

 

[Crossroads]

I'm going to dedicate a thread to you when we find out Rikudou Sennin was an Uzumaki.

Just wait.

 

[Voidstep]

Let me make it clear.

Some people are calling him an Uzumaki when they for example state something in the manga, like ''Rikudou sennin (Uzumaki) defeated the Juubi) which is wrong because it has been stated that he is both Senju and Uchiha - and Uzumaki is a part of Senju.

If you don't get me, then hard life

I'm still confluzed...

so, for example, if Sasuke has 2 babies with Sakura, and then their kids decide to form 2 different clans under different names. since they think Uchiha is not cool enough and they don't like each other...
kid 1 - forms the clan Emo
kid 2 - forms the clan Maddog

that means Sasuke cannot be a Uchiha cause his kids are from the clans Emo and Maddog???

 

[amarusboobs]

This. I've been wondering. If the SAGE is an UZUMAKI, why the hell he didnt have "that"? The red straight hair. Oh yeah.

This gunna be good.

B'cuz THE SAGE IS NAIKAZE, LIKE MINATO and Naruto... kewl.


But really tho, don't hate on derp, he makes his theories good and well put together.

 

[Henrik]

The Uzumaki is not part of the Senju Clan they are merely distant relatives:

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And please don't use the "Zetsu Statement" to point out that the Uzumakis are off-shoots or a sibling clan of the Senju because I have clearly debunked that here:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

You must be registered for see images

It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

You must be registered for see images

Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:



And the descendants of the Elder and Younger Sons were said to be the Uchihas and Senjus only:

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The Uzumakis clearly did not descend from the Younger Son.

So what then is the Uzumaki's true relationship with the Senjus and Uchihas? simple, they are the original bloodline of the Sage of the Six Paths.

The Uchiha+Senju statement applied only to Rikudou Sennin when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, because the Uchiha and Senju are literally the Yin and Yang of the Juubi:

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prior to becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikudou Sennin was purely an Uzumaki.

The correct equation is: Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi = Uchiha (Elder Son/Yin) and Senju (Younger Son/Yang)

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Basically he is all the clans in one person. Until I see a scan of him being Uzumaki, he's an Senju and Uchiha in one person.

 

[Henrik]

I'm still confluzed...

so, for example, if Sasuke has 2 babies with Sakura, and then their kids decide to form 2 different clans under different names. since they think Uchiha is not cool enough and they don't like each other...
kid 1 - forms the clan Emo
kid 2 - forms the clan Maddog

that means Sasuke cannot be a Uchiha cause his kids are from the clans Emo and Maddog???

What the f*ck you talking about?

You can create theorys that Sasuke is Senju if you want, but you cannot say it before it's stated in the manga.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Basically he is all the clans in one person. Until I see a scan of him being Uzumaki, he's an Senju and Uchiha in one person.

That scan refers to him as the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, when he was already a god (Apotheosis) the Senju+Uchiha power is the Yin and Yang power of the Jūbi, prior to becoming Jūbi's Jinchūriki he was an Uzumaki

He is not all the clans in one person, the other clans are not consanguine with him, his descendants were stated to have been Uchiha and Senju only, the Naras, Akimichis, etc. are no way related to him. The Rikūdo was not "Adam" or the first human in the world, his era was an age of endless war, families existed back then which became the progenitors of other clans, Rikūdo himself was born a human who only became a god by becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikūdo most definitely has a human heritage/family: the Uzumaki heritage just like Naruto.