When Naruto and Sasuke lost their rinnegan and kurama, they did not only lose their special abilities but also massive stat boost because those sources also gave them great energy - Kurama is literal energy and the evolved eyes were not only confirmed as stronger energy by Karin during the Five Shadows Summit but the Rinnegan in particular was so heavy it gave Obito trouble, same Obito who could eventually handle the Ten Tails! (Say, does the Ten Tails have a name?)
And based on their performances and visual it seems they used up the six aths energy that Hagaromo gave them when they sealed Laguya. I think the energy was specifically contained in the seals. I could be wrong based on Sasuke keeping his Rinnegan which was the direct result of six paths energy boosts.
Well, irrespective of whether they still have six paths energy or not, we have seen their stats cap against the aliens. Sasuke could not blitz Kinshiki and Kinshiki did not outright blitz the kage either. So even before they lost their major energy sources, Sasuke and Naruto were not far ahead in pure stats to the other peers. Sasuke moved in tandem with cloaked Naruto so their achievements carry over in scaling.
So now that both have lost such massive stats, its actually more likely that their peers could blitz them in stats than the other way around. I figure they're just slightly below the taijutsu specialists (Chojuro, Kurotsuchi, Darui, Sakura etc).
So with my reasoning covered, let me begin my speculation.
Firstly, stats. Sakura demonstrated slightly superior reactions against Kaguya multiple times and went on to show expert taijutsu in her later fights so I think she is cleanly above Sasuke and Naruto right now in base. Lee should have achieved the seventh gate by now and by scaling his seventh gate should be superior or equal to Gai with the eigth gate. Gai scaled above Madara physically with that gate which should put Lee in the Sakura ballpark. I think he's superior but have no evidence to back it up. You don't have to lioe it, but factually Sakura did achieve epic reactions to Kaguya multiple times. And demonstrating large and strong enough energy to assist Obito open dimensions explaons how she could perform at that level. Remember, openijg logic is that energy boosts physical stats. From Sakura and Lee we can scale Gaara. Lee cleanly beat the sand of Gaara with the fifth Gate and even in the 4th War Gaara cleanly conceded in speed to 7th Gate Gai speeds, which maintains his sand being slower than higher gate speeds. But based on powwrs,Momo and Kinshiki are slower than Kaguya and that is consistent with Sasuke and Naruto peeforming physically better against the duo than Kaguya. Remember they had/used six paths boosts against Laguya so there is no growth scaling benefit for them.. Hmm, this will be a long paragrapj so let me breal it up for neatness.
So if Momo and Kinshiki are slowwr than Laguya, then the kage scale below Sakura and Lee. I would say they are clean blitz material for them. There is potential for Darui to be able to use Lightning Energy Mode so he could scale up to Gaara, but he has never demonstrated it so I can't cleanly give it to him. Gaara with his sand actually physically caught Momoshiki at his absolute fastest, putting him above Sasuke and Naruto with their powers in speed. So Gaara should be the fastest among the kage, but still slower than Lee and Sakura. Based on the FSS, Gaara and his sand is faster at blitz level than a lightning energy mode user so even with that power Darui is slower. Chojuro howerever was able to cleanly slice a Black Zetsu who was dodging KCM Naruto so his slashes are probably equal to the sand of Gaara or even superior. I'm including the speed of techniques because I cannot exclude it for Gaara, Lee (gates) and Sakura (Byakugou). Another break.
Of which powers Darui has the laser circus and black lightning. They should be equal to the sand of Gaara (still below Lee and Sakura) once they get off, but they take a few moments to charge up so I don't rate them well in these speed battles. Then we have Kurotsuchi with her lava blasts but they are not known for exceptional speeds. It should be decent as a technique, but not exceptional so I cannot put it anywhere near the sand or sword slashes in speed.
So so far, we should have it with Sakura and Lee being fastest, able to blitz Gaara and Chojuro, who in turn can blitz Darui before his techiques launch, who should be slightly above Naruto and Sasuke without their powers who themselves are slightly above Kurotsuchi. So Sakura /=\ Lee / Gaara = Chojuro / Darui = Rinnegone Sasuke = Lonely Naruto /= Kurotsuchi.
So,far...
Besides those guys, we have Hinata. If she kept her Hamura energy as the Byakugan Princess, then she scales to, no, above, Sakura and Lee based on her emergy curing Naruto instantly while Sakura had lots of trouble during the Moon Arc. So if Hinata kept those powwrs she scales fastest out of everyone. Her powers being nigh instant like air palm puts her at blitz speed go Sakura and Lee. If she lpst those powers, then as a taijutsu specialist who equalled Neji who Lee still could.not blitz even with sixth Gate - since this was previously the fifth gate we can see that it scales up to the latest gate lee can open - she then stand equal to Lee and Sakura. So Hinata is either on the top level alongside Lee and Sakura or she is cleanly above them with Hamura energy mode or byakugan princess mode as I like to call it.
Besides Hinata via Neji, we can also use Lee to scale Tenten. It was always clear that Neji and Lee weee the powerhouses of Team Guy, but by training association and being a taijutsu specialist herself Tenten should not be more than one level below them in speed. That would put her at the level of the sand of Gaara But no. She lost with her projectiles against Temari - who is good in taijutsu but still cleanly slower than Gaara by hype (she uses fast wind but he uses speed based sand so her being scared of him means her wind is either slowwr or equal but weaker than the sand). So Tenten is below Gaara but should be equal to Darui in speed. However, if she uses the Sage Tools with the instant elemental attacks then she has attacks that are cleanly faster than Darui because they launch instantly. That puts her back in Chojuro and Gaara territoty. This makes sense as well because she did not have the fan against Temari. The lightning and wind blasts from the fan seem faster than projectiles as those still have noted travel time since they get dodged post launch but the elemtns need bullet timing style of dodging. So Tenten is physically at Darui level but powers put her equal with Gaara and Chojuro, below Lee and Sakura and Hinats. Another break.
From Tenten we can easily scale Temari as equal based on fan powers and their previous fight. After that we have Omoi who from ranks should be below Darui and he does not have any paeticularly fast ranged moves but should still be physically good - I figure comparable to Kurotsuchi - based on his 4th War performance against the likes of Sasori. So he should be at Kuro level.
Remaining is the Golden Generation and Kakashi and Gai among the teachers - Kurenai does not seem to have maintained form, otherwise she should be equal to Kakashi based on her Itachi fight.Gai should technically still be capable of the eight gate and cleanly capable of regularly using the sixth gate at least so he scale equal to Lee in my opinion, but can only access that speed if he needs to. Kakashi capped hard at V1 speeds previously which was cleanly below the 6th gate from Gai so he should still cap below 6th Gate. I would argue belpw 5th Gate as well based on him needing his sharingan to track kid Lee with 5th Gate. And since he did lose a major energy source in sharingan, I cannot give him much of an age scaling benefit either. In the Brotuk anime, which is clearly serious ajd confirmed canon (I heard) by the authors, he performed below Kashin Koji who is confirmed below normal Naruto via Kara members association and needing Jigen to be weakened in order to barelyatch his speed. In fact, he could not match 10% Jigen as he used shadow clones to take his spikes while Naruto and Sasuke could manage some dodges against 100% Jigen. So Koji scales cleanly below base Naruto (or equal since a boosted Delta could challenge that mode but lost to cloaked Naruto cleanly). So Kakashi is cleanly below base normal Naruto so he should be roughly equal to new Naruto and Sasuke. He apprebtly scaled equal to V2 Raikage eventually so he should be around Darui, maybe slightly above with Chidori and Purple Lightning. Maybe he does not use Chidori anymore but Purple Lightning should be equal or superior as a projectile attack. Break.
Then we have Konohamaru who should acale above other Jonin but was clearly below Koji who was cleanly above Ao so its dissapointing - he is the generational talent like Kakashi, Minato and Orochimaru were, but I guess his relative weakness makes sense as the next generational talent was always weaker for some reason with Hanzo / Ororchimaru / Minato / Kakashi. So Konohamaru scales cleanly below Kurotsuchi for me. His best attack seems to be rasengan and atyle is intelligence - again, like the other generational talents - so there is no speed benwfit there.
Theb onto the goldens. Temari scales to Tenten who scales to the sand of Gaara via the Sage Tools but to Darui physically. Kankurou always seemed to rely on prepped traps than speed so he should be ohysically below Kurotsuchi but if his traps are set then he should activate them at Gaara sand and Temari fan speeds, based on Deidara who equal Gaara sand. Based on their fight, Shino is equal to him with his bugs but his upper limit is lower since his bugs must travel. His strategies always allow him to land them, but techniqcally he should be slower. Kiba is a physical beasf but he should be cleanly below KCM Naruto and Sakura so he caps out at the sand of Gaara. He also expressed clean inferiority to Shino so he should cap below the best that Shino can do, which to me is just below the sand of Gaara. Then there is Choji who with Butterfly Mode which is equal to the red pill which to me seems an equal boost to the 7th Gate at minimum based on CM lvl 2 scaling. So I put full power Choji equal to Lee or just below, which is still faster than the sand of Gaara.I could be wrong about Leenajd Gaara based on Isshikki vs Momo which Momo dominated. Break.
Then we have Shika and Ino, who physically should be below Kurotsuchi based on being non-taijutsu specialists. However, theur powers are excellent in ambush . So while they should be cleanly bekow the sand of Gaara, theur bush potential should allpw them to trick opponents at the level of Sakura and Lee and Hinata.
Finally we have Naruto and Sasuke themselves. For whatever the Sharingan gives, Sasuke should.stillcap at Darui speed based on the energy loss. His black flames were reacted to by Momo Boruto so they should cap below the sand of Gaara, as was the case during the FSS. As for Naruto, he still has Sage Mode and he demonstrated against the 3rd Raikage that SM offers equal speed but better powers than KCM. However, powwrs like SM are boosts upon base stats so with Naruto having a cleanly lower base stat his SM should cap him at Darui speeds with summoning power being workable at Gaara sand speeds.
So the final scaling is thusly: Hinata w/ Byakugan Princess Mode / Hinata w/o BPM = Byakugou Sakura = 7th Gate Lee /= Guy /= Gaara sand = Chojuro sword slashes = Tenten and Temari Fan attacks = Choji Butterfly Mode / Sasuke Black Flames =\ Naruto SM summonings = Ino Mind Transfer /= Kankurou traps /= Shino bugs / Kiba / Kakashi Purple Lightning = Darui attacks / Kurotsuchi attacks =\ Omoi / Konohamaru.// regular Jonin. This is just speed scaling, acccounting for base stats plus their fastest attacks ajd attack styles.
Oh yes, there is also camp Orochimaru. Mitsuki confirmed Oroc as being equal to normal Naruto and Sasuke, but that is likely a balance of speed and special techniques. We know from when he was sick against Naruto that he could easily perform at V2 levels, so we can assume growth scaling has him around the sand of Gaara in speed at least, which is only slightly below original Naruto and Sasuke, who were slightly below Sakura in speed. Then there is Jugo and Suigetsu. Jugo demonstrated V2 speeds against Bee while Suigetsu matched him even without muscle morphing so they should scale above Gaara. However, we have seen both in the Boruto anime and their speed was not impressive. Jugo was matched cleanly by Konohamaru while base Suigetsu did not insta-blitz some genin. So they are at least at Konohamaru level but are unlikely yet potentially at the speed of the sand of Gaara, with muscle morphed Suigetsu being a level of speed above transformed Jugo.
So that how they scale in terms of speed, time. Let us now account for structural value - destructive and constructive powers.
Starting with the kage, Kurotsuchi has versatility with her lava powers, but due to a lack of scale I cannot respect her too much there. Also, the problem with powers that do not outright kill is that they give the opponent half a moment to attempt an escape, if nothing else. Then we have Chojuro with his multi-shape and thereby multi-function energy projections. And they have decent scale so I respect him above Kurotsuchi. Even whence his projections and projectiles are not good, he has water style and hidden mist, which I greatly respect. So I put him a clean level above Kuro. Then we have Gaara with his quick and multi use sand. The only weakness being that he has very little to work with outide of a desert. He can grind some, but it takes time. I put him equal to Chojuro here, at least because he prohably has powerful wind style. Finally there is Darui. So far, he has only used physical attacks, but that was against energy ahsorbers - still, Kuro and Chojuro were able to use energy attacks. He does technically have Black Lightning and Laser Circus, which I massivley respect for destructive power. With them, I consider him the most destructive of his peers. However, a lack of constructive versatility puts him down. So I put him below Gaara and Chojuro and above Kurotsuchi.
Then we have the Golden Generation. At the top, well above Gaara, I have Hinata. The Hyuga style is the most complete and powerful. With nigh instant ranged attacks like air palm and lethal killer moves up close, there is no lack of destructive power. For versatility, there is twin lions that absorbs energy and then Hinata specifically has medical and espionage prowess with her 20km range of vision Having been stated to have mastered the clan techniques, she is lacking in nothing. If she still has her Hamru energy, then she is massively potent as well and could probably launch village busting air palms. Then we have Kiba. His destructive powers are close ranged, but the stats boost his transformations give him make it easier to close in on opponents. He also has his nose, which makes him a good planner since Akamaru can smell strength. I don't think much of his fighting power but I respect his nose. Above him but still below Hinata I have Shino. The combat style of his bugs is practically unstoppable. His poison bugs and special sensing effects make him well rounded as well. I don't respect his sensing as much as Kiba and Hinata though, because he has to wait blibdly on his bugs reporting. If he could instantly own any bug, I would respect him more. He might be lacking a bit in stats, but his style does not need high speed anyway. So far, Hinata // Shino = Gaara = Chojuro / Kiba /= Darui /= Kurotsuchi
Then we have Lee and Tenten. Leee has no powers, but a stats boost is worth literal power. I put him equal to Kurotsuchi at best. Tenten has the fan for every kind of attack and her projectiles for non-energy attacks so she is versatile. She can also seal attacks and summon supplies so she is very versatile. In fact, the Naruto anime actually memed her for being versatile like that. Overall, I have her above Shino and slightly below Hinata.
Then we have Ino Shika Cho. Choji is basically Lee but with size, so I put him slightly above for defensive bonus. Shikamaru is smart but his powwrs suffer the lack of killing issue. I put him equal to Kurotsuchi because he can still use his normal shinobi tools at an exceptional level. Then we have Ino, whom I value greatly for her sensing. Said sensing combines with her ability to split her mind transfer for a near perfect ambush artist. I put her equal to Shino at least.
Then we have Temari and Kankurou. Temari with her fan is an attack machine, and has some versatility with flight, but little more. I have her slightly below Gaara. Kankurou is a quintessential ninja with his traps, but certain intelligence and sensing can see right through it. It would he fine if he had demonstrated pure puppet smashing usage, but he has not. Nonetheless, he has displayed good intelligence so its not too bad. I have him, with his poison potential, as equal to Temari at least.
As for Team seven, they all get high ratings for their summons which grant various benefits. However, with what the boys lost only Sakura can spam summoning and Katsuyu is the strongest anyway so she gets the most benefits from it. As for personal powers, healing is really impressive. I have it as equal with Sage Mode for Naruto, which grants stats and sensing and tricks. Sasuke has his illusions and black flames, along with lightning and fire styles, but that's bot as good as the other two in my view. I have Sakura equal to Hinata, Naruto equal to Tenten and Sasuke equal to Shino. Then there is Sai, whose speed should be cleanly below Gaara because even his fastest attacks require a moment of setup. As for powers, his ink is quite impressive for tricks but seems weak to any element. He can soam it though so its quite good. I have him equal to Kiba.
So as things stand, Hinata = Sakura / Tenten = Naruto / Shino = Sasuke = Ino = Gaara = Chojuro / Temari = Kankurou / Kiba = Sai / Darui /= Choji / Kurotsuchi = Lee.
As for the rest, Konohamaru seemsnunimpressive with mainly the rasengan, but if he summoned more it would he hetter. He seems to have some sealing abilities so that's worth something. I put him equal to Kiba. Gai is basically Lee but worse, so he sits cleanly below everyone. Kakashi has his intelligence and elemtanl attacks, so I put him equal to Kurotsuchi. Then we have Omoi, who simply has his unblockable kenjutsu. I put him above Gai but below Lee.
As for Camp Oroc, the boss is obviously a master of all techniques so I put him equal to Hinata at least. Suigetsu gets insane resistance benefits from his body while water style and hidden mist always impresses me. I put him equal to Tenten. Jugo is power blasts, but also versatile with his animal powers and ability to literally eat opponents to survive. I put him equal to Shino.
Ovwrall, for powers ranking I have Oroc /= Hinata = Sakura / Tenten = Naruto = Suigetsu / Jugo = Shino = Sasuke = Ino = Gaara = Chojuro / Temari = Kankurou / Kiba = Sai = Konohamaru / Darui /= Choji / Kurotsuchi = Lee = Kakashi / Omoi / Guy. This accounts for how useful their powers are overall, only.
Comnining the two ratings, we have Hinata, especially with Byakugan Princess powers, Sakura and Orochimaru sharing top spot for overall value.
However, the remains one other factor. Notice I have not mentioned Killer B and bijuu. Just for the record, I would have the bijuu slightly above Gaara and B equal to Kiba. However, that is assuming their existence. Did Momo capture and destroy all the bijuu? I remember him extracting from B, so I don't give B much benefit. If, somehow, B still has Gyuki and the bijuu are alive and well, then B and Gaara have the potential to be the strongest.
What is this potential? Baryon Mode. Gyuki could offer B such in a desperate situation and Gaara could get back with Shukaku to achieve the same thing. This is an interesting potential, but I am not sure what happened with the beasts.
That's my speculation, what say you?
Apologies for what I suspect are many typing errors. I have been sick and my eyes are tragical in state. I can barely see what I type. I hope its not too bad.
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And others, I'm interested in your take
And based on their performances and visual it seems they used up the six aths energy that Hagaromo gave them when they sealed Laguya. I think the energy was specifically contained in the seals. I could be wrong based on Sasuke keeping his Rinnegan which was the direct result of six paths energy boosts.
Well, irrespective of whether they still have six paths energy or not, we have seen their stats cap against the aliens. Sasuke could not blitz Kinshiki and Kinshiki did not outright blitz the kage either. So even before they lost their major energy sources, Sasuke and Naruto were not far ahead in pure stats to the other peers. Sasuke moved in tandem with cloaked Naruto so their achievements carry over in scaling.
So now that both have lost such massive stats, its actually more likely that their peers could blitz them in stats than the other way around. I figure they're just slightly below the taijutsu specialists (Chojuro, Kurotsuchi, Darui, Sakura etc).
So with my reasoning covered, let me begin my speculation.
Firstly, stats. Sakura demonstrated slightly superior reactions against Kaguya multiple times and went on to show expert taijutsu in her later fights so I think she is cleanly above Sasuke and Naruto right now in base. Lee should have achieved the seventh gate by now and by scaling his seventh gate should be superior or equal to Gai with the eigth gate. Gai scaled above Madara physically with that gate which should put Lee in the Sakura ballpark. I think he's superior but have no evidence to back it up. You don't have to lioe it, but factually Sakura did achieve epic reactions to Kaguya multiple times. And demonstrating large and strong enough energy to assist Obito open dimensions explaons how she could perform at that level. Remember, openijg logic is that energy boosts physical stats. From Sakura and Lee we can scale Gaara. Lee cleanly beat the sand of Gaara with the fifth Gate and even in the 4th War Gaara cleanly conceded in speed to 7th Gate Gai speeds, which maintains his sand being slower than higher gate speeds. But based on powwrs,Momo and Kinshiki are slower than Kaguya and that is consistent with Sasuke and Naruto peeforming physically better against the duo than Kaguya. Remember they had/used six paths boosts against Laguya so there is no growth scaling benefit for them.. Hmm, this will be a long paragrapj so let me breal it up for neatness.
So if Momo and Kinshiki are slowwr than Laguya, then the kage scale below Sakura and Lee. I would say they are clean blitz material for them. There is potential for Darui to be able to use Lightning Energy Mode so he could scale up to Gaara, but he has never demonstrated it so I can't cleanly give it to him. Gaara with his sand actually physically caught Momoshiki at his absolute fastest, putting him above Sasuke and Naruto with their powers in speed. So Gaara should be the fastest among the kage, but still slower than Lee and Sakura. Based on the FSS, Gaara and his sand is faster at blitz level than a lightning energy mode user so even with that power Darui is slower. Chojuro howerever was able to cleanly slice a Black Zetsu who was dodging KCM Naruto so his slashes are probably equal to the sand of Gaara or even superior. I'm including the speed of techniques because I cannot exclude it for Gaara, Lee (gates) and Sakura (Byakugou). Another break.
Of which powers Darui has the laser circus and black lightning. They should be equal to the sand of Gaara (still below Lee and Sakura) once they get off, but they take a few moments to charge up so I don't rate them well in these speed battles. Then we have Kurotsuchi with her lava blasts but they are not known for exceptional speeds. It should be decent as a technique, but not exceptional so I cannot put it anywhere near the sand or sword slashes in speed.
So so far, we should have it with Sakura and Lee being fastest, able to blitz Gaara and Chojuro, who in turn can blitz Darui before his techiques launch, who should be slightly above Naruto and Sasuke without their powers who themselves are slightly above Kurotsuchi. So Sakura /=\ Lee / Gaara = Chojuro / Darui = Rinnegone Sasuke = Lonely Naruto /= Kurotsuchi.
So,far...
Besides those guys, we have Hinata. If she kept her Hamura energy as the Byakugan Princess, then she scales to, no, above, Sakura and Lee based on her emergy curing Naruto instantly while Sakura had lots of trouble during the Moon Arc. So if Hinata kept those powwrs she scales fastest out of everyone. Her powers being nigh instant like air palm puts her at blitz speed go Sakura and Lee. If she lpst those powers, then as a taijutsu specialist who equalled Neji who Lee still could.not blitz even with sixth Gate - since this was previously the fifth gate we can see that it scales up to the latest gate lee can open - she then stand equal to Lee and Sakura. So Hinata is either on the top level alongside Lee and Sakura or she is cleanly above them with Hamura energy mode or byakugan princess mode as I like to call it.
Besides Hinata via Neji, we can also use Lee to scale Tenten. It was always clear that Neji and Lee weee the powerhouses of Team Guy, but by training association and being a taijutsu specialist herself Tenten should not be more than one level below them in speed. That would put her at the level of the sand of Gaara But no. She lost with her projectiles against Temari - who is good in taijutsu but still cleanly slower than Gaara by hype (she uses fast wind but he uses speed based sand so her being scared of him means her wind is either slowwr or equal but weaker than the sand). So Tenten is below Gaara but should be equal to Darui in speed. However, if she uses the Sage Tools with the instant elemental attacks then she has attacks that are cleanly faster than Darui because they launch instantly. That puts her back in Chojuro and Gaara territoty. This makes sense as well because she did not have the fan against Temari. The lightning and wind blasts from the fan seem faster than projectiles as those still have noted travel time since they get dodged post launch but the elemtns need bullet timing style of dodging. So Tenten is physically at Darui level but powers put her equal with Gaara and Chojuro, below Lee and Sakura and Hinats. Another break.
From Tenten we can easily scale Temari as equal based on fan powers and their previous fight. After that we have Omoi who from ranks should be below Darui and he does not have any paeticularly fast ranged moves but should still be physically good - I figure comparable to Kurotsuchi - based on his 4th War performance against the likes of Sasori. So he should be at Kuro level.
Remaining is the Golden Generation and Kakashi and Gai among the teachers - Kurenai does not seem to have maintained form, otherwise she should be equal to Kakashi based on her Itachi fight.Gai should technically still be capable of the eight gate and cleanly capable of regularly using the sixth gate at least so he scale equal to Lee in my opinion, but can only access that speed if he needs to. Kakashi capped hard at V1 speeds previously which was cleanly below the 6th gate from Gai so he should still cap below 6th Gate. I would argue belpw 5th Gate as well based on him needing his sharingan to track kid Lee with 5th Gate. And since he did lose a major energy source in sharingan, I cannot give him much of an age scaling benefit either. In the Brotuk anime, which is clearly serious ajd confirmed canon (I heard) by the authors, he performed below Kashin Koji who is confirmed below normal Naruto via Kara members association and needing Jigen to be weakened in order to barelyatch his speed. In fact, he could not match 10% Jigen as he used shadow clones to take his spikes while Naruto and Sasuke could manage some dodges against 100% Jigen. So Koji scales cleanly below base Naruto (or equal since a boosted Delta could challenge that mode but lost to cloaked Naruto cleanly). So Kakashi is cleanly below base normal Naruto so he should be roughly equal to new Naruto and Sasuke. He apprebtly scaled equal to V2 Raikage eventually so he should be around Darui, maybe slightly above with Chidori and Purple Lightning. Maybe he does not use Chidori anymore but Purple Lightning should be equal or superior as a projectile attack. Break.
Then we have Konohamaru who should acale above other Jonin but was clearly below Koji who was cleanly above Ao so its dissapointing - he is the generational talent like Kakashi, Minato and Orochimaru were, but I guess his relative weakness makes sense as the next generational talent was always weaker for some reason with Hanzo / Ororchimaru / Minato / Kakashi. So Konohamaru scales cleanly below Kurotsuchi for me. His best attack seems to be rasengan and atyle is intelligence - again, like the other generational talents - so there is no speed benwfit there.
Theb onto the goldens. Temari scales to Tenten who scales to the sand of Gaara via the Sage Tools but to Darui physically. Kankurou always seemed to rely on prepped traps than speed so he should be ohysically below Kurotsuchi but if his traps are set then he should activate them at Gaara sand and Temari fan speeds, based on Deidara who equal Gaara sand. Based on their fight, Shino is equal to him with his bugs but his upper limit is lower since his bugs must travel. His strategies always allow him to land them, but techniqcally he should be slower. Kiba is a physical beasf but he should be cleanly below KCM Naruto and Sakura so he caps out at the sand of Gaara. He also expressed clean inferiority to Shino so he should cap below the best that Shino can do, which to me is just below the sand of Gaara. Then there is Choji who with Butterfly Mode which is equal to the red pill which to me seems an equal boost to the 7th Gate at minimum based on CM lvl 2 scaling. So I put full power Choji equal to Lee or just below, which is still faster than the sand of Gaara.I could be wrong about Leenajd Gaara based on Isshikki vs Momo which Momo dominated. Break.
Then we have Shika and Ino, who physically should be below Kurotsuchi based on being non-taijutsu specialists. However, theur powers are excellent in ambush . So while they should be cleanly bekow the sand of Gaara, theur bush potential should allpw them to trick opponents at the level of Sakura and Lee and Hinata.
Finally we have Naruto and Sasuke themselves. For whatever the Sharingan gives, Sasuke should.stillcap at Darui speed based on the energy loss. His black flames were reacted to by Momo Boruto so they should cap below the sand of Gaara, as was the case during the FSS. As for Naruto, he still has Sage Mode and he demonstrated against the 3rd Raikage that SM offers equal speed but better powers than KCM. However, powwrs like SM are boosts upon base stats so with Naruto having a cleanly lower base stat his SM should cap him at Darui speeds with summoning power being workable at Gaara sand speeds.
So the final scaling is thusly: Hinata w/ Byakugan Princess Mode / Hinata w/o BPM = Byakugou Sakura = 7th Gate Lee /= Guy /= Gaara sand = Chojuro sword slashes = Tenten and Temari Fan attacks = Choji Butterfly Mode / Sasuke Black Flames =\ Naruto SM summonings = Ino Mind Transfer /= Kankurou traps /= Shino bugs / Kiba / Kakashi Purple Lightning = Darui attacks / Kurotsuchi attacks =\ Omoi / Konohamaru.// regular Jonin. This is just speed scaling, acccounting for base stats plus their fastest attacks ajd attack styles.
Oh yes, there is also camp Orochimaru. Mitsuki confirmed Oroc as being equal to normal Naruto and Sasuke, but that is likely a balance of speed and special techniques. We know from when he was sick against Naruto that he could easily perform at V2 levels, so we can assume growth scaling has him around the sand of Gaara in speed at least, which is only slightly below original Naruto and Sasuke, who were slightly below Sakura in speed. Then there is Jugo and Suigetsu. Jugo demonstrated V2 speeds against Bee while Suigetsu matched him even without muscle morphing so they should scale above Gaara. However, we have seen both in the Boruto anime and their speed was not impressive. Jugo was matched cleanly by Konohamaru while base Suigetsu did not insta-blitz some genin. So they are at least at Konohamaru level but are unlikely yet potentially at the speed of the sand of Gaara, with muscle morphed Suigetsu being a level of speed above transformed Jugo.
So that how they scale in terms of speed, time. Let us now account for structural value - destructive and constructive powers.
Starting with the kage, Kurotsuchi has versatility with her lava powers, but due to a lack of scale I cannot respect her too much there. Also, the problem with powers that do not outright kill is that they give the opponent half a moment to attempt an escape, if nothing else. Then we have Chojuro with his multi-shape and thereby multi-function energy projections. And they have decent scale so I respect him above Kurotsuchi. Even whence his projections and projectiles are not good, he has water style and hidden mist, which I greatly respect. So I put him a clean level above Kuro. Then we have Gaara with his quick and multi use sand. The only weakness being that he has very little to work with outide of a desert. He can grind some, but it takes time. I put him equal to Chojuro here, at least because he prohably has powerful wind style. Finally there is Darui. So far, he has only used physical attacks, but that was against energy ahsorbers - still, Kuro and Chojuro were able to use energy attacks. He does technically have Black Lightning and Laser Circus, which I massivley respect for destructive power. With them, I consider him the most destructive of his peers. However, a lack of constructive versatility puts him down. So I put him below Gaara and Chojuro and above Kurotsuchi.
Then we have the Golden Generation. At the top, well above Gaara, I have Hinata. The Hyuga style is the most complete and powerful. With nigh instant ranged attacks like air palm and lethal killer moves up close, there is no lack of destructive power. For versatility, there is twin lions that absorbs energy and then Hinata specifically has medical and espionage prowess with her 20km range of vision Having been stated to have mastered the clan techniques, she is lacking in nothing. If she still has her Hamru energy, then she is massively potent as well and could probably launch village busting air palms. Then we have Kiba. His destructive powers are close ranged, but the stats boost his transformations give him make it easier to close in on opponents. He also has his nose, which makes him a good planner since Akamaru can smell strength. I don't think much of his fighting power but I respect his nose. Above him but still below Hinata I have Shino. The combat style of his bugs is practically unstoppable. His poison bugs and special sensing effects make him well rounded as well. I don't respect his sensing as much as Kiba and Hinata though, because he has to wait blibdly on his bugs reporting. If he could instantly own any bug, I would respect him more. He might be lacking a bit in stats, but his style does not need high speed anyway. So far, Hinata // Shino = Gaara = Chojuro / Kiba /= Darui /= Kurotsuchi
Then we have Lee and Tenten. Leee has no powers, but a stats boost is worth literal power. I put him equal to Kurotsuchi at best. Tenten has the fan for every kind of attack and her projectiles for non-energy attacks so she is versatile. She can also seal attacks and summon supplies so she is very versatile. In fact, the Naruto anime actually memed her for being versatile like that. Overall, I have her above Shino and slightly below Hinata.
Then we have Ino Shika Cho. Choji is basically Lee but with size, so I put him slightly above for defensive bonus. Shikamaru is smart but his powwrs suffer the lack of killing issue. I put him equal to Kurotsuchi because he can still use his normal shinobi tools at an exceptional level. Then we have Ino, whom I value greatly for her sensing. Said sensing combines with her ability to split her mind transfer for a near perfect ambush artist. I put her equal to Shino at least.
Then we have Temari and Kankurou. Temari with her fan is an attack machine, and has some versatility with flight, but little more. I have her slightly below Gaara. Kankurou is a quintessential ninja with his traps, but certain intelligence and sensing can see right through it. It would he fine if he had demonstrated pure puppet smashing usage, but he has not. Nonetheless, he has displayed good intelligence so its not too bad. I have him, with his poison potential, as equal to Temari at least.
As for Team seven, they all get high ratings for their summons which grant various benefits. However, with what the boys lost only Sakura can spam summoning and Katsuyu is the strongest anyway so she gets the most benefits from it. As for personal powers, healing is really impressive. I have it as equal with Sage Mode for Naruto, which grants stats and sensing and tricks. Sasuke has his illusions and black flames, along with lightning and fire styles, but that's bot as good as the other two in my view. I have Sakura equal to Hinata, Naruto equal to Tenten and Sasuke equal to Shino. Then there is Sai, whose speed should be cleanly below Gaara because even his fastest attacks require a moment of setup. As for powers, his ink is quite impressive for tricks but seems weak to any element. He can soam it though so its quite good. I have him equal to Kiba.
So as things stand, Hinata = Sakura / Tenten = Naruto / Shino = Sasuke = Ino = Gaara = Chojuro / Temari = Kankurou / Kiba = Sai / Darui /= Choji / Kurotsuchi = Lee.
As for the rest, Konohamaru seemsnunimpressive with mainly the rasengan, but if he summoned more it would he hetter. He seems to have some sealing abilities so that's worth something. I put him equal to Kiba. Gai is basically Lee but worse, so he sits cleanly below everyone. Kakashi has his intelligence and elemtanl attacks, so I put him equal to Kurotsuchi. Then we have Omoi, who simply has his unblockable kenjutsu. I put him above Gai but below Lee.
As for Camp Oroc, the boss is obviously a master of all techniques so I put him equal to Hinata at least. Suigetsu gets insane resistance benefits from his body while water style and hidden mist always impresses me. I put him equal to Tenten. Jugo is power blasts, but also versatile with his animal powers and ability to literally eat opponents to survive. I put him equal to Shino.
Ovwrall, for powers ranking I have Oroc /= Hinata = Sakura / Tenten = Naruto = Suigetsu / Jugo = Shino = Sasuke = Ino = Gaara = Chojuro / Temari = Kankurou / Kiba = Sai = Konohamaru / Darui /= Choji / Kurotsuchi = Lee = Kakashi / Omoi / Guy. This accounts for how useful their powers are overall, only.
Comnining the two ratings, we have Hinata, especially with Byakugan Princess powers, Sakura and Orochimaru sharing top spot for overall value.
However, the remains one other factor. Notice I have not mentioned Killer B and bijuu. Just for the record, I would have the bijuu slightly above Gaara and B equal to Kiba. However, that is assuming their existence. Did Momo capture and destroy all the bijuu? I remember him extracting from B, so I don't give B much benefit. If, somehow, B still has Gyuki and the bijuu are alive and well, then B and Gaara have the potential to be the strongest.
What is this potential? Baryon Mode. Gyuki could offer B such in a desperate situation and Gaara could get back with Shukaku to achieve the same thing. This is an interesting potential, but I am not sure what happened with the beasts.
That's my speculation, what say you?
Apologies for what I suspect are many typing errors. I have been sick and my eyes are tragical in state. I can barely see what I type. I hope its not too bad.
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