so.. who do you believe is the strongest

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Obito technically can't being put inside strongest category if he just happen only having dms without juubi power

He is likely best to put inside HAX category with itachi
 

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Your statement makes no sense since Hagoromo needed 'the strong chakra he inherited from Kaguya (which she got from the fruit)' as you described it a page ago. Then again he didn't even create the moon on his own:
That's Hagoromo's Natural (Base) state. So no, my statement does make sense. We are comparing JJ Hagoromo to JJ Madara. If Madara needs the Juubi to do something Base Hagoromo can do on his deathbed, then...Lol. Its clear who's weaker.


He wasn't the Jin of the full Juubi as far as we know..
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They did, this page proves that it is possible to seal the Juubi right there and then, and become a Jin at the same time:

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Once again, wrong. The Bijuu were separated from the Mazo as they were already in existence this time around. If this is how Hagoromo became the Jinchuuriki, then he'd only have the Bijuu's chakra and no Mazo, as it would have been sealed into the Moon. Which is obviously false as Hagoromo was stated to have the Mazo and the Juubi's Chakra inside him.



They sealed the Juubi in him, then when he was old he extracted the Juubi's Chakra, made the 9 Bijuu, and later on after he had recovered from the extraction, he removed the Gedo Mazo and sealed it using Chibaku Tensei.
 

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That's Hagoromo's Natural (Base) state. So no, my statement does make sense. We are comparing JJ Hagoromo to JJ Madara. If Madara needs the Juubi to do something Base Hagoromo can do on his deathbed, then...Lol. Its clear who's weaker.
EDIT: Didn't read this when I replied, what a nonsense, Hagoromo got blessed by this power too, he needed his mother and Madara needed the Juubi, I don't even get why you are replying because mangafacts say that Hagoromo needed Hamura to create the moon.


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Once again, wrong. The Bijuu were separated from the Mazo as they were already in existence this time around. If this is how Hagoromo became the Jinchuuriki, then he'd only have the Bijuu's chakra and no Mazo, as it would have been sealed into the Moon. Which is obviously false as Hagoromo was stated to have the Mazo and the Juubi's Chakra inside him.



They sealed the Juubi in him, then when he was old he extracted the Juubi's Chakra, made the 9 Bijuu, and later on after he had recovered from the extraction, he removed the Gedo Mazo and sealed it using Chibaku Tensei.
Your claim is backed up with a picture, but so is mine as you saw Kaguya's flashback of Hamura and Hagoromo using Chibaku Tensei, so I am not 'wrong again'.. Both our claims are mangafacts lol, I guess Kishi made a hole in his plot. But what I don't understand is that you say that mangapanda has translated wrong, and in the same post you use a mangapanda picture too..
 
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Double Kamui Obito would put up a good match against Double Rinnegan Madara.

I guess, Madara is the strongest.
Obito cannot percieve nor can he harm Limbo, Madara defeats him with the lowest difficulty.

OT: Kaguya and Hagaromo, Kaguya is superior, but JJ Hagaromo has his chances.
 

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lol, what can Obito do against Madara? Nothing.[SUB]
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Well, he can use Kamui to snipe out the only parts of Madara's body that he cant regenerate, his eyes, since they are technically Izuna's.
He can stay intangible while the Limbo clones are out and attack when they are on cooldown.
He can Kamui snipe the Gudou Damas rendering them useless.
Madara's durability seems to turn into marshmallow when he comes near Obito.
Obito can steal bijuu from a healthy rinnegan Juubi Madara, while half dead and being controlled by BZ, he could easily steal them from a blind and crippled one.
Chibaku Tensei orbs get kamui sniped before they can do anything.
 
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