So, WHO can beat Orange Mask Tobi? (Full intel, no prep time)

[Draphsin]

You can't say that BR against SA wasn't hollow, when you don't see it from the front, just from the sideview. :|
And seeing how it had a swirling shape it's rather obvious Kamui was used to enhance it this time, too.

I already proved this to you, nothing more to say except that you're denying what kishi has shown us.

The swirl from kamui did not increase the size.

Wait, if you're agreeing that Obito DOES use Kamui for BR, then what exactly are we arguing about?
My point is that Obito might not be able to use BR in Kamui dimension at all, because the main point of the technique is using Kamui to enhance it.

Kamui doesnt increase the size.

It is moving in a spiral, it's just that the rings are closer to each other (or actually, they look like it, because we see a much larger area than when we saw BR against Kakashi and Guy, so what looked like big breaks between the rings earlier now doesn't).

Wrong, look at how they both produced their fire. [

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What you're failing to see is that obito used a different method to alter his jutsu, it is literally proven to us. Nowhere is it stated, shown, or implied that kamui is needed for a katon of that size, especially after what has been shown.

Anyway - moving in a spiral, or in a "twirling" pattern as you call it - it makes no difference. Without Kamui there would be nothing to make BR have this pattern.

And give me your proof stating that such a pattern is needed for a juubi sized katon. My proof that it isnt? the clear comparison which shows the 2nd BR holding volume.

Notice the way it's expelled from Obito/Madara's mouth. It spreads as the distance increases in both length and width so it wouldn't be able to get to the side/back of him if he uses a Suiton wall.

What? You just explained how it would surround kakashi.

Kakashi isnt producing a suiton wall large enough to stop the fire from getting passed it.

 

[Takos]

Wrong .


The Katon Obito used back then was Bakufuu Ranma . [

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Now that's interesting! You'll get a rep if it's true, but isn't it really just a naming/translation mistake?
No one seems to treat it as a separate technique, even Narutopedia lists only one, and not two, of Obito's katons.

Noting this lack of any data about the second katon, and seeing the obvious similarity between the two names and between the techniques themselves, this seems to be the case.

 

[NagatoSolos]

Now that's interesting! You'll get a rep if it's true, but isn't it really just a naming/translation mistake?
No one seems to treat it as a separate technique, even Narutopedia lists only one, and not two, of Obito's katons.

Noting this lack of any data about the second katon, and seeing the obvious similarity between the two names, this seems to be the case.

Well I don't know , and I doubt if ManagStream translations are wrong ... But I posted this to prove that you're wrong .

 

[Takos]

Well I don't know , and I doubt if ManagStream translations are wrong ... But I posted this to prove that you're wrong .

Well, I'll certainly have to look into it. Thanks for pointing it out.

Edit: Nope. Mangapanda translates both techniques into Bakufuu Ranbu. Now I'm pretty sure this is the very same jutsu.

*********** mistakes are rare, but they do happen.

 

[NagatoSolos]

Well, I'll certainly have to look into it. Thanks for pointing it out.

No probelm buddy !

EDIT : I still stick to *********** , and the design is different for both Katons :yeah:

 

[Zavage10]

Once inzanagi is activated kakashi is rendered completely helpless.

 

[Touken]

Manga and real life definitely disagrees.

-Go put a drop of water on a campfire, its not going to be put out.

-1 of their Suiton wasn't enough to put out Gouka Mekkyaku, so they had to combine. [

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Any suiton from Kakashi is evaporated with ease and he dies.

Kishi applies a basic degree of science in Naruto.

although I'm not saying weak Suiton can counter it

did you miss that part?

And you're comparing fodder shinobi's Suiton to Kakashi's? Add the fact that the fodder shinobi's Suiton couldn't spread because they used it at

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, Kakashi isn't stupid enough to make that mistake.

Again, that Katon isn't going to get to that size due to a barrier being there.

What? You just explained how it would surround kakashi.

Kakashi isnt producing a suiton wall large enough to stop the fire from getting passed it.

Kakashi isn't going to be a mile away from Obito for the Katon to get that big.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol people are still arguing that kakashi can put out obito's katon.

lel

 

[Touken]

Lol people are still arguing that kakashi can put out obito's katon.

lel

You know that we are giving logical arguments here?

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Since when did Kakashi become the Suiton expert? Lmfao, Bakufu Ranbu mows through that petty Suiton and puts roasts Kakashi alive.

OT - Minato, Madara, Hashirama and Nardo.

 

[Shura]

Lol people are still arguing that kakashi can put out obito's katon.

lel

This. A shit ton of people need to combine their Suitons in order to stop a much smaller Katon than Obito's own and they think Kakashi's Suiton can stop Obito's Katon? Lmao.

Their fanfictions are worse than that Woodson guy's Itachi fanfictions on Itachi versus threads.


Don't get butthurt, Charlie. I'm joking.​

 

[Prince Charles]

You know that we are giving logical arguments here?

It's called common sense, kakashi hasnt shown a high enough level of suiton to take out or slow down a Juubi size katon.

This. A shit ton of people need to combine their Suitons in order to stop a much smaller Katon than Obito's own and they think Kakashi's Suiton can stop Obito's Katon? Lmao.

Their fanfictions are worse than that Woodson guy's Itachi fanfictions on Itachi versus threads.


Don't get butthurt, Charlie. I'm joking.​

lmao AC =p and agreed.

 

[Touken]

It's called common sense, kakashi hasnt shown a high enough level of suiton to take out or slow down a Juubi size katon..

Yeah, read the arguments. Until then, making statements like that shows you're being ignorant.

 

[Prince Charles]

Yeah, read the arguments. Until then, making statements like that shows you're being ignorant.

I dont need to read anything because I use manga and common sense.

 

[Touken]

I dont need to read anything because I use manga and common sense.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kishi applies a basic degree of science in Naruto.

did you miss that part?

And you're comparing fodder shinobi's Suiton to Kakashi's? Add the fact that the fodder shinobi's Suiton couldn't spread because they used it at

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, Kakashi isn't stupid enough to make that mistake.

Again, that Katon isn't going to get to that size due to a barrier being there.

What does Kishi applying real life science have to do with helping your argument when the same real life science you are quoting here proves you wrong.

That scan was to show that they needed to equal the size to put it out, that is what was shown and that is what is fact. When Kakashi can make one the size of Obito's Katon or somewhere near it then he can put it out, until then it gets evaporated with ease.

When they used it is completely irrelevant to how it'd do against the Katon Madara used, you aren't even make any sense here. The size of the Katon increases with how much the user decides to spit out, nothing more, nothing less.

I hope you aren't referring to a barrier made from Kakashi's Suiton, which is fodder level compared to a Juubi sized Katon. If you aren't going to show me a Juubi sized Suiton from Kakashi then you might as well stop here cause he isn't putting out Obito's Katon.

 

[Takos]

I can't help but laugh.

A new page of discussion and they still don't get the fact that Kakashi doesn't need to put out the whole flame to avoid getting burned.

Reading comprehension is useful, but if you think you can do without it, who am I to interfere with your ways? :yeah:

Besides, your furious offense at one of the ways Kakashi might be able to survive BR is remarkable, but there is a bunch of other problems: BR requiring Kamui, which means it probably won't work in Kamui dimension, BR being juubi sized only when used about half a kilometer from the target, I could go on and on.

Sorry, Bakufuu Ranbu is not a factor in Obito vs Kakashi fight, but you so desperately cling to its defense that you just affirm me you don't see any other ways of Obito dealing with Kakashi.

I dont need to read anything because I use manga and common sense.

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[KidGamer65]

I can't help but laugh.

A new page of discussion and they still don't get the fact that Kakashi doesn't need to put out the whole flame to avoid getting burned.

If he doesn't counter with a Suiton near or equal to Bakufu Ranbu's power, then he gets his Suiton evaporated and he's burnt to a crisp. Firing a weak Suiton (In comparison) at a Strong Katon will only get your Suiton evaporated, what can't you tards understand about this?

Besides, your furious offense at one of the ways Kakashi might be able to survive BR is remarkable, but there is a bunch of other problems: BR requiring Kamui, which means it probably won't work in Kamui dimension, BR being juubi sized only when used about half a kilometer from the target, I could go on and on.

-BR doesn't require Kamui, where the hell did this nonsense come from?

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Do you see the difference? Cause everyone who has a decent pair of eyes should be able to see it. The idea of BR requiring Kamui is idiotic anyway. Why would a Katon require an MS technique that only adds an outward spin to it to function?

Distance isn't going to increase or decrease the size of the Katon.

Sorry, Bakufuu Ranbu is not a factor in Obito vs Kakashi fight, but you so desperately cling to its defense that you just affirm me you don't see any other ways of Obito dealing with Kakashi.

MS Obito only needs Kamui to stomp Kakashi.

 

[Shura]

Now they are arguing that Obito needs to use Kamui in order for his Katon to work, therefore it cannot be used in the Kamui dimension? Okay.. What in the actual **** is going on in this thread? :|

 

[KidGamer65]

Now they are arguing that Obito needs to use Kamui in order for his Katon to work, therefore it cannot be used in the Kamui dimension? Okay.. What in the actual **** is going on in this thread? :|

Lol, the Kakashi wank is real with these people.