So the strongest character... is a woman?

[grenwood]

Where is this stated? She never cared about stopping the tree.

It's really a burden, I made this thread to discuss her possible abilities, but I see people still need convincing that she's actually the strongest human to have lived. Isn't it blatantly obvious? She created a god, for crying out loud. How godly is that?

When Tobi = Obito was obvious, people still weren't convinced.

When Rikudo = everything excent Uzumaki, people still were being stubborn.

It states in this chapter she's the source of all human's chakra (not original Tree chakra), and you still think Rikudo is stronger than her.

What's this habit of sailing against the current around Narutobase?


On topic, I do think she had Rinnegan, just a theory but remember that Rinnegan + Life Power (wood jutsu) are the gifts that come directly from the Juubi. Rikudo, Hashirama and Madara all had these.

where was it stated that she she didnt care about stopping the juubi? considering she wanted to stop the war it would have been in her best interest to stop the juubi. and she lacked ninjutsu and probably lacked fuinjutsu as well since that needs a very high level of mastery of chackra. it sounds like your making stuff up to support your theory. and hashirama and madara were both stronger then their predecessors minus the sage. both would have likely surpassed the sage had they had all the tools he had from the start. naruto and sasuke will both likely surpass the sage. the sage was said to be the first to master chackra and created ninjutsu. as you clearly stated, kaguya was the originator of all the chackra in humanity and therefore was the first to have it. therefore she clearly had not mastered it given that the sage was the first to master chackra. therefore the sage was clearly more powerful, as he had mastery over the power while she did not. just like even though madara now has mokuton, rinnegan, and ems, he is till matched by hashirama who only has mokuton. because hashirama has mastered mokuton.

 

[AfroJutsu]

It really surprised me that, in spite of there not being a single woman in the top 10 currect characters, and all the sexism Kishimoto usually throws around such as 2 guys 1 girl groups only, and them all being crybabies and weaklings that act as sandwich medics for their team mates... he actually had So6P's creator and origin of all human chakra be a woman.

What do you think her abilities might have been, considering how powerful the Sage is all by himself already?

Out of all the topics to talk about you gotta bring up sexism, I mean can we think a little deeper. For me what stood out the most were all the allusions- from Japanese mythology(honestly mythologies across cultures) to religion (namely abraham based religions)

 

[grenwood]

before i start, i also want to say that sexism is probably the last thing we should be worrying about in naruto let alone in any other manga. also this thread is based off this post:
Quote Originally Posted by altaire uchiha View Post
a womans disobedience bringing about the downfall of civilization? How is that not sexist
just kinda pisses me off that people need to bring sexism into such a great story.

this quote sums up my thoughts on why sexism is a really stupid thing to think about in this manga, albeit in less detail because i went on trying to rpove how it wasnt sexist and at most based off history, and even gives women more importance to the story then the men, as well as the fact that if the genders were reversed no one wouldve cared. heres the post, so if your going to read aything at least read this:

Quote Originally Posted by AfroJutsu View Post
Out of all the topics to talk about you gotta bring up sexism, I mean can we think a little deeper. For me what stood out the most were all the allusions- from Japanese mythology(honestly mythologies across cultures) to religion (namely abraham based religions)
heres the the thread it is also a reply to the first post:








its not exactly sexist, its copying the bible. and a women doing this doesnt have sexist meaning, if a man were to do it i wouldnt say it was sexist. and there are only two genders so it was a 50/50 chance.




coming from kishi on the other hand i can see why you would think that considering what hes done over the entire series. however this isnt kishis idea, its the same idea that has been in existence since just about the beggining of humanity.





and that idea could be construed as sexist, but at the same time you would have to know exactly what was going through the mind of the person that made the idea when they made the idea. and we also need to realise that that this while the bible is likely a sexist book, it is written by countless people, and the adam and eve story was likely the only story that that person had written in bible.


not only that but the person that wrote it in the bible likely wasnt the original creator of adam and eve. and then the possiblity that adam and eve, as it is in the bible is very possibly not even the true story of adam and eve, and it could have just as easily been adam that talked to the snake and got eve to eat the apple but the person that told that story didnt have copyright protections so it could have been changed.


so ya its pretty much impossible to quote anything in the bible because we dont know 100% for sure what the origin of any of it is. and anyone who quotes the bible for anything other than the good parts in it are just idiots. and this is the least quotable story in the bible. at least as far as sexism goes.


this is the one thing kishi has done in this story that doesnt point straight to him being sexist. he has copied countless other important stories in world history, most are simply from asian culture, but it certainly makes sense that this story would be in the this manga.



still it wouldve probably been better if kaguya had a boyfriend or husband that did the same thing, though i suppose there was only one fruit on this tree. i just think feminists are too quick too take pretty much everything that makes any woman look bad in a story that could technically have been changed and call it sexist. when at the same time if the entire story had anyting like this that could be construed as sexist but it was all men instead of women, nobody on earth would care. nobody would even call it.


even the part where medics are mostly female, the key word is mostly. and even this makes since because throughout history women have had more of a supportive role in the world. and were finding out now that that supportive role was more important to society than anything that a man could have done. and its the same thing for medics in the naruto world, that is far more important than what just any fodder could do. and the juubi arc we saw that if you have one medic per every fodder, you can do huge jutsu that could easily trump any one ninja.


all the four hokages could easily be beaten with this power at the same time , not only that but any of the 3 previous ninja wars could have been ended in pretty much an instant as well. and its because of the medics.


could the story have been better? yes. could it have had a few strong females? yes. but at the same time its a story that heavily draws on history even if most of that history is myth its still understandable. and again the roles of the females in this story are far more important than the roles of the males in this story
and again if the genders were reversed noone wouldve cared.

 

[Mr Hiru]

its not exactly sexist, its copying the bible. and a women doing this doesnt have sexist meaning, if a man were to do it i wouldnt say it was sexist. and there are only two genders so it was a 50/50 chance. coming from kishi on the other hand i can see why you would think that considering what hes done over the entire series. however this isnt kishis idea, its the same idea that has been in existence since just about the beggining of humanity. and that idea could be construed as sexist, but at the same time you would have to know exactly what was going through the mind of the person that made the idea when they made the idea. and we also need to realise that that this while the bible is likely a sexist book, it is written by countless people, and the adam and eve story was likely the only story that that person had written in bible. not only that but the person that wrote it in the bible likely wasnt the original creator of adam and eve. and then the possiblity that adam and eve, as it is in the bible is very possibly not even the true story of adam and eve, and it could have just as easily been adam that talked to the snake and got eve to eat the apple but the person that told that story didnt have copyright protections so it could have been changed. so ya its pretty much impossible to quote anything in the bible because we dont know 100% for sure what the origin of any of it is. and anyone who quotes the bible for anything other than the good parts in it are just idiots. and this is the least quotable story in the bible. this is the one thing kishi has done in this story that doesnt point straight to him being sexist. he has copied countless other important stories in world history, most are simply from asian culture, but it certainly makes sense that this story would be in the this manga. still it wouldve probably been better if kaguya had a boyfriend or husband that did the same thing, though i suppose there was only one fruit on this tree. i just think feminists are too quick too take pretty much everything that makes any woman look bad in a story that could technically have been changed and call it sexist. when at the same time if the entire story had anyting like this that could be construed as sexist but it was all men instead of women, nobody on earth would care. nobody would even call it. even the part where medics are mostly female, the key word is mostly. and even this makes since because throughout history women have had more of a supportive role in the world. and were finding out now that that supportive role was more important to society than anything the a man could have done. and its the same thing for medics in the naruto world, that is far more important than what just any fodder could do. and the juubi arc we saw that if you have one medic per every fodder, you can do huge jutsu that could easily trump any one ninja. all the four hokages could easily be beaten with this power , not only that but any of the 3 previous ninja wars as well. and its because of the medics. could the story have been better? yes. could it have had a few strong females? yes. but at the same time its a story that heavily draws on history even if most of that history is myth its still understandable.
and again if the genders were reversed noone wouldve cared.

Would you mind to transform you wall of text in something more comfortable to read please?

 

[grenwood]

Out of all the topics to talk about you gotta bring up sexism, I mean can we think a little deeper. For me what stood out the most were all the allusions- from Japanese mythology(honestly mythologies across cultures) to religion (namely abraham based religions)

i also agree with this.

 

[grenwood]

Would you mind to transform you wall of text in something more comfortable to read please?

ya, it should probably be two posts as well. kind of got sidetracked.

 

[Mr Hiru]

ya, it should probably be two posts as well. kind of got sidetracked.

Much appeciated then.

 

[grenwood]

sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

before i start, i also want to say that sexism is probably the last thing we should be worrying about in naruto let alone in any other manga. also this thread is based off this post:

a womans disobedience bringing about the downfall of civilization? How is that not sexist

just kinda pisses me off that people need to bring sexism into such a great story.

this quote sums up my thoughts on why sexism is a really stupid thing to think about in this manga, albeit in less detail because i went on trying to rpove how it wasnt sexist and at most based off history, and even gives women more importance to the story then the men, as well as the fact that if the genders were reversed no one wouldve cared. heres the post, so if your going to read aything at least read this:

Out of all the topics to talk about you gotta bring up sexism, I mean can we think a little deeper. For me what stood out the most were all the allusions- from Japanese mythology(honestly mythologies across cultures) to religion (namely abraham based religions)

heres the the thread it is also a reply to the first post:








its not exactly sexist, its copying the bible. and a women doing this doesnt have sexist meaning, if a man were to do it i wouldnt say it was sexist. and there are only two genders so it was a 50/50 chance.




coming from kishi on the other hand i can see why you would think that considering what hes done over the entire series. however this isnt kishis idea, its the same idea that has been in existence since just about the beggining of humanity.





and that idea could be construed as sexist, but at the same time you would have to know exactly what was going through the mind of the person that made the idea when they made the idea. and we also need to realise that that this while the bible is likely a sexist book, it is written by countless people, and the adam and eve story was likely the only story that that person had written in bible.


not only that but the person that wrote it in the bible likely wasnt the original creator of adam and eve. and then the possiblity that adam and eve, as it is in the bible is very possibly not even the true story of adam and eve, and it could have just as easily been adam that talked to the snake and got eve to eat the apple but the person that told that story didnt have copyright protections so it could have been changed.


so ya its pretty much impossible to quote anything in the bible because we dont know 100% for sure what the origin of any of it is. and anyone who quotes the bible for anything other than the good parts in it are just idiots. and this is the least quotable story in the bible. at least as far as sexism goes.


this is the one thing kishi has done in this story that doesnt point straight to him being sexist. he has copied countless other important stories in world history, most are simply from asian culture, but it certainly makes sense that this story would be in the this manga.



still it wouldve probably been better if kaguya had a boyfriend or husband that did the same thing, though i suppose there was only one fruit on this tree. i just think feminists are too quick too take pretty much everything that makes any woman look bad in a story that could technically have been changed and call it sexist. when at the same time if the entire story had anyting like this that could be construed as sexist but it was all men instead of women, nobody on earth would care. nobody would even call it.


even the part where medics are mostly female, the key word is mostly. and even this makes since because throughout history women have had more of a supportive role in the world. and were finding out now that that supportive role was more important to society than anything that a man could have done. and its the same thing for medics in the naruto world, that is far more important than what just any fodder could do. and the juubi arc we saw that if you have one medic per every fodder, you can do huge jutsu that could easily trump any one ninja.


all the four hokages could easily be beaten with this power at the same time , not only that but any of the 3 previous ninja wars could have been ended in pretty much an instant as well. and its because of the medics.


could the story have been better? yes. could it have had a few strong females? yes. but at the same time its a story that heavily draws on history even if most of that history is myth its still understandable. and again the roles of the females in this story are far more important than the roles of the males in this story
and again if the genders were reversed noone wouldve cared.

 

[grenwood]

Would you mind to transform you wall of text in something more comfortable to read please?

i turned it into a thread and its more saparted in that thread.

 

[Mr Hiru]

i turned it into a thread and its more saparted in that thread.

I'm on it! Thanks bud!

 

[Mr Hiru]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

One of the problem is context. History have proven that sexism is something that has been present from ancient times and even now (now in lesser grade but it still stands). So if you say Kishimoto is referencing religions, it's the same thing to say that he is sexist, because religions promotes this behaviour. It's on the culture.

Japan can be specially mentioned for this feature... I can't really blame him for this behaviour.

 

[Liath]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

oh, get over yourself.

 

[-Punk-]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

Kishi is a sexist deal with it .

We have no important females characters & the ones that are suppose to be strong , keep getting trolled , Examples : Konan , Mei , Temari , We have only have tsnade .

Never got a Female villain , or a female Uchiha in the story , the guys are the ones that a relevant .

 

[Arian]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

well..women are weaker then men...thats a fact so its fine with me there arent many extremely strong females..thats just the way it is. also women are the cause of many problems so i agree

btw didnt read cause it was way too long^^

 

[Troyg39]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

Well to be fair, for the greater half of human existence women have always been looked at as inferior by a wide margin across a number of cultures. And it's even more prevalent the deeper you go in past than in more recent time periods.

A perfect example is the Adam and Eve story. It's funny that so many people look toward Eve as the source of sin being brought into the world, but no one ever really notices that the apple didn't take effect until Adam ate it, it didn't take effect at all when Eve bit it. The story goes:

Eve get's tricked by the serpent
Eve bites the fruit
Eve runs to share with Adam
Adam bites the fruit
THEN they suddenly notice that they are naked

So really it's very sexist that people who believe in that story generally hold Eve more so responsible than Adam when Adam is technically the only one God told not to eat of the tree; the bible never says that Eve received those orders from God directly as Eve hadn't been made at the time God told Adam not to do it.

But every sword has a double-edge. There is sexism towards men too. I guarantee you that the person you quoted wouldn't have made a fuss if Kaguya were a male. In fact, the manga depicted the people who were fighting to all look like men, so really she broke a rule in order to keep them from killing one another. No one is saying it was sexist of Kishi to make it look like the men were the only ones fighting among one another. I think people just need to grow up and not be so sensitive.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

well..women are weaker then men...thats a fact so its fine with me there arent many extremely strong females..thats just the way it is. also women are the cause of many problems so i agree

btw didnt read cause it was way too long^^

Talking about sexism, this one does directly to the nails. XD

 

[Vandenreich]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

If its sexist then it's sexist...

 

[Mistraal]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

well..women are weaker then men...thats a fact so its fine with me there arent many extremely strong females..thats just the way it is. also women are the cause of many problems so i agree

btw didnt read cause it was way too long^^

I hope you swiftly develop cancer.

 

[grenwood]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

Well to be fair, for the greater half of human existence women have always been looked at as inferior by a wide margin across a number of cultures. And it's even more prevalent the deeper you go in past than in more recent time periods.

A perfect example is the Adam and Eve story. It's funny that so many people look toward Eve as the source of sin being brought into the world, but no one ever really notices that the apple didn't take effect until Adam ate it, it didn't take effect at all when Eve bit it. The story goes:

Eve get's tricked by the serpent
Eve bites the fruit
Eve runs to share with Adam
Adam bites the fruit
THEN they suddenly notice that they are naked

So really it's very sexist that people who believe in that story generally hold Eve more so responsible than Adam when Adam is technically the only one God told not to eat of the tree; the bible never says that Eve received those orders from God directly as Eve hadn't been made at the time God told Adam not to do it.

But every sword has a double-edge. There is sexism towards men too. I guarantee you that the person you quoted wouldn't have made a fuss if Kaguya were a male. In fact, the manga depicted the people who were fighting to all look like men, so really she broke a rule in order to keep them from killing one another. No one is saying it was sexist of Kishi to make it look like the men were the only ones fighting among one another. I think people just need to grow up and not be so sensitive.

i ca agree with this, and very good insight into the adam and eve story, i never realized that part, i thought they both ate it and never thought much past that. the main point of my thread was supposed to be sensative part because i thought calling him sexist for telling a story that has been told since like the beginnning of time was a bit too trigger happy. then i got side tracked .

 

[Headmaster]

Re: sexism in naruto, not as bad as it seems.

Kaguya Ootsutsuki is the best xd
She's the true solo queen