So the strongest character... is a woman?

[Armathyx]

You do know none of her opponents had Chakra right? it's not that hard when you're the only one with Chakra and everyone else is fighting with weapons alone....she is no where near as strong as you make out her to be....Tenten could possibly solo her.

But she had all the chakra at her disposal, part of which was given to humans and another part of which was imbued into the So6P when he was born. She really did have more power than Rikudo, since she is the sum of all Chakra ever taken from the Juubi.

 

[sagemode07]

She created him. In this series, characters get weaker along time.

Mother of all Chakra > So6P > Madara and Hashirama > New generations except Naruto, Obito and Sasuke.

She almost certainly had Rinnegan and perhaps used the same wood jutsu as the Juubi, so could also have been the Jinchuuriki.

1. Mother of all Chakra is juubi, not kaguya.
2. It is not stated whether she is stronger or not. infact, she did not defeat the juubi, her son did.
3. In Madara and hashi generation surely not everyone was hax, they were probably close in strength to current gen.

 

[romeboii]

Just because she ia the first to have chakra does not make her the strongest that still goes to the sage because he stopped the god tree and he was the first to put chakra into ninjutsu

 

[Erin]

She created him. In this series, characters get weaker along time.

Mother of all Chakra > So6P > Madara and Hashirama > New generations except Naruto, Obito and Sasuke.

She almost certainly had Rinnegan and perhaps used the same wood jutsu as the Juubi, so could also have been the Jinchuuriki.

These are all baseless assumptions.

 

[Armathyx]

Just because she ia the first to have chakra does not make her the strongest that still goes to the sage because he stopped the god tree and he was the first to put chakra into ninjutsu

Where is this stated? She never cared about stopping the tree.

It's really a burden, I made this thread to discuss her possible abilities, but I see people still need convincing that she's actually the strongest human to have lived. Isn't it blatantly obvious? She created a god, for crying out loud. How godly is that?

When Tobi = Obito was obvious, people still weren't convinced.

When Rikudo = everything excent Uzumaki, people still were being stubborn.

It states in this chapter she's the source of all human's chakra (not original Tree chakra), and you still think Rikudo is stronger than her.

What's this habit of sailing against the current around Narutobase?


On topic, I do think she had Rinnegan, just a theory but remember that Rinnegan + Life Power (wood jutsu) are the gifts that come directly from the Juubi. Rikudo, Hashirama and Madara all had these.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Where is this stated? She never cared about stopping the tree.

It's really a burden, I made this thread to discuss her possible abilities, but I see people still need convincing that she's actually the strongest human to have lived. Isn't it blatantly obvious? She created a god, for crying out loud. How godly is that?

When Tobi = Obito was obvious, people still weren't convinced.

When Rikudo = everything excent Uzumaki, people still were being stubborn.

It states in this chapter she's the source of all human's chakra (not original Tree chakra), and you still think Rikudo is stronger than her.

What's this habit of sailing against the current around Narutobase?


On topic, I do think she had Rinnegan, just a theory but remember that Rinnegan + Life Power (wood jutsu) are the gifts that come directly from the Juubi. Rikudo, Hashirama and Madara all had these.

That's the main flaw on your logic. If she is the mother of the Rikudou, that doesn't make her stronger than her son.

Do you think that if I create a godly killing-spree robot I'm stronger than him? I think it is not the case. But for the sake of my own belief I'll say that you can have the right of doubt.

 

[Armathyx]

That's the main flaw on your logic. If she is the mother of the Rikudou, that doesn't make her stronger than her son.

Do you think that if I create a godly killing-spree robot I'm stronger than him? I think it is not the case. But for the sake of my own belief I'll say that you can have the right of doubt.

If things get stronger as time goes, then why the hell aren't Madara and Hashirama at least on Rikudo's level?

Your logic is right in the case of a robot but you need to think in manga logic when you're talking of Naruto.

Your failure to understand the logic of this manga is what led you to assume Rikudo was a Uzumaki or that Obito was Izuna.

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

Good thing he did that, actually.
The manga had a bad reputation of not having enough high class women.

True thing mister!

 

[Mr Hiru]

If things get stronger as time goes, then why the hell aren't Madara and Hashirama at least on Rikudo's level?

Your logic is right in the case of a robot but you need to think in manga logic when you're talking of Naruto.

Your failure to understand the logic of this manga is what led you to assume Rikudo was a Uzumaki or that Obito was Izuna.

Well, let me state some things before we jump onto conclusions with that haste...

Statement a)

You don't know Madara's full potential. But let's say that the current Madara is at its full... he hasn't shown his trump card. You're assuming too much things at this point.

Could you explain how a Mother can be stronger than a Son that absorbed a God inside? Did you stop to think that it was her son the one who revealed the secrets of chakra and ninjutsu and not her?

So I'll answer straight but subtle, as a true gentleman... Yes, I don't understand the manga logic at its fullest, but neither you do... because you lack definite proof to support your statements. From my part, I only state something as fact when I have proof to back it up, and I accept my defeat when people presents me definite proof against my statements. That's how life works.

Statement b)

As I said in a), there is a chance that my logic can't be fully applied to Naruto.

Statement c)

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Fail comment, I have backup to prove that my theories led me to think otherwise. This is my proof to break your statement. I didn't think about the Sage as Uzumaki, my belief lend me to think that he was the Ancestor.

Albeit, my own statements were wrong, because I too was too naive to present solid backup for these statements... the only thing that was right was my own hunch, that the Sage was the ancestor of these clans.

--- This told, I'll thank you if you restraint yourself next time to neg rep me. I won't do the same damage you you, since as I said earlier... I'm a gentleman.

 

[razinzell]

She borrowed a ton of chakra from the tree with that fruit. The sage of six paths already had that chakra AND he absorbed the rest of the tree (juubi) AND he managed to control the power and focus it.

He is definitely stronger than his mom. She has Juubi level chakra but if you don't have ninjutsu to control it it isn't nearly as powerful as it should be.

I get that you are a feminist and really want the strongest character to be a women, but she's not. If she was, the legends would all be about her, not the sage.

 

[Mr Hiru]

She borrowed a ton of chakra from the tree with that fruit. The sage of six paths already had that chakra AND he absorbed the rest of the tree (juubi) AND he managed to control the power and focus it.

He is definitely stronger than his mom. She has Juubi level chakra but if you don't have ninjutsu to control it it isn't nearly as powerful as it should be.

I get that you are a feminist and really want the strongest character to be a women, but she's not. If she was, the legends would all be about her, not the sage.

This was the deductive reasoning that lend me to the conclusion you had, my friend. Ootsutsuki Kaguya didn't become Jinchuuriki, but her son did... it's quite simple...

 

[Currahee]

i think the sage would be stronger than her because his body was made adapted to chakra so he would have better control. kinda like naruto being exposed to the kyuubis chakra when kushina was pregnant

 

[osba]

..because, unlike his mother, he actually had the whole tree's chakra inside of him.. and seeing how he could manipulate it you can say he was stronger.
let's leave it at that shall we?

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[Mr Hiru]

. . .

I don't even need to recall that your silence has solid backup.

 

[altaire uchiha]

It really surprised me that, in spite of there not being a single woman in the top 10 currect characters, and all the sexism Kishimoto usually throws around such as 2 guys 1 girl groups only, and them all being crybabies and weaklings that act as sandwich medics for their team mates... he actually had So6P's creator and origin of all human chakra be a woman.

What do you think her abilities might have been, considering how powerful the Sage is all by himself already?

a womans disobedience bringing about the downfall of civilization? How is that not sexist

 

[Armathyx]

Well, let me state some things before we jump onto conclusions with that haste...

Statement a)

You don't know Madara's full potential. But let's say that the current Madara is at its full... he hasn't shown his trump card. You're assuming too much things at this point.

Could you explain how a Mother can be stronger than a Son that absorbed a God inside? Did you stop to think that it was her son the one who revealed the secrets of chakra and ninjutsu and not her?

So I'll answer straight but subtle, as a true gentleman... Yes, I don't understand the manga logic at its fullest, but neither you do... because you lack definite proof to support your statements. From my part, I only state something as fact when I have proof to back it up, and I accept my defeat when people presents me definite proof against my statements. That's how life works.

Statement b)

As I said in a), there is a chance that my logic can't be fully applied to Naruto.

Statement c)

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Fail comment, I have backup to prove that my theories led me to think otherwise. This is my proof to break your statement. I didn't think about the Sage as Uzumaki, my belief lend me to think that he was the Ancestor.

Albeit, my own statements were wrong, because I too was too naive to present solid backup for these statements... the only thing that was right was my own hunch, that the Sage was the ancestor of these clans.

--- This told, I'll thank you if you restraint yourself next time to neg rep me. I won't do the same damage you you, since as I said earlier... I'm a gentleman.

I'm comparing base Kayua to base Rikudo.

Anyone becomes the strongest character automatically by absorbing the Juubi.

I saw enough of your "proof" and "facts" from the previous Uzumaki threads.

This is a thread about her jutsu.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I'm comparing base Kayua to base Rikudo.

Anyone becomes the strongest character automatically by absorbing the Juubi.

I saw enough of your "proof" and "facts" from the previous Uzumaki threads.

This is a thread about her jutsu.

I assumed you were talking about these characters in their prime, since you never stated that you were comparing them in their base state (at least in your OP).

About my proof and facts... well, you just stated something that I refuted with ease, so I really don't care about it.

 

[Armathyx]

I get that you are a feminist and really want the strongest character to be a women, but she's not. If she was, the legends would all be about her, not the sage.

But she IS the strongest character, it's you who's been endoctrined by Kishi's more common type of concepts.

 

[Armathyx]

I assumed you were talking about these characters in their prime, since you never stated that you were comparing them in their base state (at least in your OP).

About my proof and facts... well, you just stated something that I refuted with ease, so I really don't care about it.

You didn't refute anything with ease. You get refuted with ease. Don't make others say things they didn't, and don't play stupid, because that automatically makes you look dumber than you already are.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

a womans disobedience bringing about the downfall of civilization? How is that not sexist

ask Eve.

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It's a biblical reference. It's sweet that you want to try being all womens rights but you have to know what actually is offensive and what isn't. It isn't sexist to have a woman use chakra, especially when men are causing war everyday and the woman had no idea what this power would entail. She would've been trying to protect people she loved and nobody would've guessed other people would've got it and it leading to more deaths.