[Theory] So Sir Derp Obito was wrong. Are you sure?

[aMgDrew]

Sir Derp Obito. One of the greatest theoretical masterminds on these forums. His theory about SO6P being from an Uzumaki descent was a promising theory, however it has crumbled in the face of chapter 646 or did it?

Now. The Sage might have not been carrying Uzumaki name and there's no proof that Uzumakis existed at that time when the Sage was born. So how is he related to Uzumakis and/or how are Senjus distant relatives with Uzumaki clan?

Theory: It is logical to assume that Uzumaki clan are descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan (Sage's origin clan).
Maybe, but why?
* As told, Sage's mother ate the forbidden fruit granting her chakra (you know the story) it is reasonable to presume that Uzumakis are descendants because they have that "exceptional/special" chakra and abilities (sensory, tailed beast suppression, life force)
* Uzumaki Nagato, a known Uzumaki who was able to have Rinnegan. Others known to have such an ability are those in possession of Hashirama's cells known as Senju DNA. It also has been stated that Senjus are distantly related with Uzumakis. So what does it all make? What's the conclusion?
The fruit was a piece of Juubi and gave that special chakra to all the descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, including Uzumakis. Since the Sage himself was of a Ootsutsuki origin he already had that ability (without taking account of Sir Derp's Rinnegan theory) the Sage also spawned two sons, Uchiha and Senju Ancestors, splitting Juubi's traits (the eye and the body, The Sharingan and The Wood). The Fruit, The Sharingan, The Wood (lol) are completely different things, but they're all connected to one thing, the Juubi. Hence the connection, Uzumaki's are able to possess the Rinnegan. (There is no proof, however that Uchihas can or can not possess the Rinnegan without Senju DNA, it has only been stated on how to awaken it, but I am sure that anybody can possess it, but can anybody's chakra levels and life force can handle the Rinnegan's demand? That's why The Fruit aka Uzumaki's chakra and Juubi's Body aka The Wood/Senju DNA are pieces of the puzzle)

TL;DR. Uzumakis are related and might be descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, the Sage's original clan. It's just that Sage decided to move out, go to college, have a foreign wife, start a family business, away from his momma.

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In other words, Uzumaki's special abilities are related to the Fruit that Kaguya Ootsutsuki has eaten and those abilities has become a clan trait. Sage meanwhile departed away from a clan and had his own kids and stuff.

 

[Zuru]

interesting.. I believe it. Not to often Sir Derp Obito is wrong, so I don't think he's wrong on this. =D

 

[0jordinio0]

....This is all common knowledge that the Uzumaki in some shape or form are descended from the Sage. Are you an idiot? Or do you just not read very well?

 

[Chīkara]

Ootsutsuki > Senju > Uzumaki.

 

[Edge]

He wasn't an Uzumaki. This does not mean Uzumaki's are unrelated to him or that his wife may have been an Uzumaki.

He was not an Uzumaki.

 

[Darth Vader]

Hey guys, the sage isn't an Uzumkai! Gasp!

 

[saw2097]

Hey everyone is wrong eventually, you can't get everything right even if you have a brilliant intellect.

So maybe he was wrong, I don't get why people are making it out to be such a big deal, he has been right many times before.

 

[valandil988]

Stop beating a dead horse.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Sir Derp Obito. One of the greatest theoretical masterminds on these forums. His theory about SO6P being from an Uzumaki descent was a promising theory, however it has crumbled in the face of chapter 646 or did it?

Now. The Sage might have not been carrying Uzumaki name and there's no proof that Uzumakis existed at that time when the Sage was born. So how is he related to Uzumakis and/or how are Senjus distant relatives with Uzumaki clan?

Theory: It is logical to assume that Uzumaki clan are descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan (Sage's origin clan).
Maybe, but why?
* As told, Sage's mother ate the forbidden fruit granting her chakra (you know the story) it is reasonable to presume that Uzumakis are descendants because they have that "exceptional/special" chakra and abilities (sensory, tailed beast suppression, life force)
* Uzumaki Nagato, a known Uzumaki who was able to have Rinnegan. Others known to have such an ability are those in possession of Hashirama's cells known as Senju DNA. It also has been stated that Senjus are distantly related with Uzumakis. So what does it all make? What's the conclusion?
The fruit was a piece of Juubi and gave that special chakra to all the descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, including Uzumakis. Since the Sage himself was of a Ootsutsuki origin he already had that ability (without taking account of Sir Derp's Rinnegan theory) the Sage also spawned two sons, Uchiha and Senju Ancestors, splitting Juubi's traits (the eye and the body, The Sharingan and The Wood). The Fruit, The Sharingan, The Wood (lol) are completely different things, but they're all connected to one thing, the Juubi. Hence the connection, Uzumaki's are able to possess the Rinnegan. (There is no proof, however that Uchihas can or can not possess the Rinnegan without Senju DNA, it has only been stated on how to awaken it, but I am sure that anybody can possess it, but can anybody's chakra levels and life force can handle the Rinnegan's demand? That's why The Fruit aka Uzumaki's chakra and Juubi's Body aka The Wood/Senju DNA are pieces of the puzzle)

TL;DR. Uzumakis are related and might be descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, the Sage's original clan. It's just that Sage decided to move out, go to college, have a foreign wife, start a family business, away from his momma.

I had this conclusion long time ago.

The problem is not Sir Derp's theory, but his conviction that made him to exchange the word theory with fact.

PS: All shinobi descends from the Sage, he was the first human born with chakra.

 

[Jarex]

you know no one can predict kishi. if you predict him right he will change it.

i think he has spies in all naruto website working for him:erm:

 

[aMgDrew]

I had this conclusion long time ago.

The problem is not Sir Derp's theory, but his conviction that made him to exchange the word theory with fact.

PS: All shinobi descends from the Sage, he was the first human born with chakra.

Hey hey. I'm not theorizing about who was born with chakra and who wasn't.
I'm just saying the origin of the Uzumaki clan.
Besides, there are only two known children the sage had and they are his two sons, not Uzumakis. So saying that every shinobi descend from the Sage is not true, simply because we do not know how many times Sage's mother cheated on the Juubi.
There's also no proof that Sage was the first born. But definitely he wasn't the only born

 

[Mr Hiru]

Hey hey. I'm not theorizing about who was born with chakra and who wasn't.
I'm just saying the origin of the Uzumaki clan.
Besides, there are only two known children the sage had and they are his two sons, not Uzumakis. So saying that every shinobi descend from the Sage is not true, simply because we do not know how many times Sage's mother cheated on the Juubi.

lmfao.

Now now, I just said I had this conclusion long time ago.

Now, let's analyze this calmly...

- Yes, I believe the Sage (or his mother) is still the ancestor of the Uzumaki Clan.
- Yes, there are only two known children. But it's not proven that they were the only childs, and all hints points to these children being born from the Creation of All Things technique, rather than a natural birth (their individual traits were way too different and mantained purity until the current time-context).
- There is not proven that the Sage didn't have brothers that were born after him, so he could have relatives that inherited chakra too.

In other words, with the current holes in this affair, we can't reach a conclusive veredict. In other words, the possibility of the Sage or a relative being the Uzumaki ancestor is perfectly plausible (but it is not certain).

All we know is that the Sage is the ancestor of the Uchiha and Senju, that is a fact.

As for proof to support my statement of the sage being the origin of shinobi clans, read throughout this one...

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[KGB Kakuzu]

It should be easily recognized that while he may not be a direct Uzumaki (aka not Hogoromo Uzumaki), he's obviously the oldest known ancestor of the Uzumaki.

It was already co.firmed the Uzumaki and Senju are distant blood relatives which sounds like a cousin idea. So obviously they have a relation to the sage... So if his hair is red... It appears some descendant of the Younger Son picked up the genetic trait of red hair and it passed into the clan.


People also seem to forget that the Elder and Younger Sons aren't mentions to specifically start the clans, but that their descendants formed the clan. Or more specifically their descendants became Known as Uchiha and Senju... Leaving an unspecified amount of time in which other clans (Aka: Hyuga and Uzumaki) likely spread from the Elder and Younger Son as smaller off branching families. Since the majority of the descendants remained in conflict, these old ties have been forgotten.



So yes... The Sage in theory is an Uzumaki, Senju, Uchiha, and most likely Hyuga. While not a member of any specific clan... He is the progenitor of these clans.


Sir Derp Obito was only wrong in the idea that the Sage was a member of the Uzumaki clan at the time he became the sage.

 

[aMgDrew]

lmfao.

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Now now, I just said I had this conclusion long time ago.

Now, let's analyze this calmly...

- Yes, I believe the Sage (or his mother) is still the ancestor of the Uzumaki Clan.
- Yes, there are only two known children. But it's not proven that they were the only childs, and all hints points to these children being born from the Creation of All Things technique, rather than a natural birth (their individual traits were way too different and mantained purity until the current time-context).
- There is not proven that the Sage didn't have brothers that were born after him, so he could have relatives that inherited chakra too.

In other words, with the current holes in this affair, we can't reach a conclusive veredict. In other words, the possibility of the Sage or a relative being the Uzumaki ancestor is perfectly plausible (but it is not certain).

All we know is that the Sage is the ancestor of the Uchiha and Senju, that is a fact.

As for proof to support my statement of the sage being the origin of shinobi clans, read throughout this one...

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Agreed. But since there is no other explanation on Uzumaki Clan's origins and all manga facts hint at relativity between Senju and Uzumaki, while SO6P himself is kind of in the middle of both, then Uzumaki's being descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan is the only logical assumption. The only thing that would make this thing impossible is if Kishi forgets about saying that Senju and Uzumaki are "distant" relatives and makes an ass-pull of Uzumakis being actually straightly related to each other (for example coming from Senju lineage from a distant time), but still that wouldn't explain the Uzumaki's exceptional chakra abilities.

Everything makes sense to be honest.
Uchihas having the visual powers.
Senju having the body.
Uzumaki's having the special chakra type.
Maybe I'm a fool, but all those things combined create a figure that looks like SO6P (Visual Powers, Body, Chakra. Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit)
Also, the whole Forbidden Fruit thing is kind of the Apple of Eden type of thing, except that the place wasn't heaven and only became worse.

 

[Flawž]

Don't forget we don't Know which clan the sage's father belonged too.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Agreed. But since there is no other explanation on Uzumaki Clan's origins and all manga facts hint at relativity between Senju and Uzumaki, while SO6P himself is kind of in the middle of both, then Uzumaki's being descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan is the only logical assumption. The only thing that would make this thing impossible is if Kishi forgets about saying that Senju and Uzumaki are "distant" relatives and makes an ass-pull of Uzumakis being actually straightly related to each other (for example coming from Senju lineage from a distant time), but still that wouldn't explain the Uzumaki's exceptional chakra abilities.

Everything makes sense to be honest.
Uchihas having the visual powers.
Senju having the body.
Uzumaki's having the special chakra type.
Maybe I'm a fool, but all those things combined create a figure that looks like SO6P (Visual Powers, Body, Chakra. Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit)
Also, the whole Forbidden Fruit thing is kind of the Apple of Eden type of thing, except that the place wasn't heaven and only became worse.

And to further support your statement, the fruit the princess ate has the Uzumaki Clan Symbol pattern. It's another strong hint don't you think?

 

[aMgDrew]

Didn't read , The Sage isn't an Uzumaki and that's a Manga fact , DEAL WITH IT !

Dude. I never said he's an Uzumaki... I'm just saying that there is a high possibility that The Sage and Uzumaki came from the same clan. Just like there's a probability that you and Hitler had the same forefather a thousand years ago.

 

[Nous]

Yes because Derp Obito was the only one who theorized that Rikudo Sennin was an Uzumaki right? :|

 

[UnrealSoul]

Yes because Derp Obito was the only one who theorized that Rikudo Sennin was an Uzumaki right? :|

Dude, people rode him so hard they forgot about the ones before him that theorized the sage was an uzumaki. Honestly what made me disagree that hes an uzumaki is the stupid retarded dna formula derp kept leaning back to, too try and prove a point that defies genetics.

 

[ethris]

Sir Derp Obito. One of the greatest theoretical masterminds on these forums. His theory about SO6P being from an Uzumaki descent was a promising theory, however it has crumbled in the face of chapter 646 or did it?

Now. The Sage might have not been carrying Uzumaki name and there's no proof that Uzumakis existed at that time when the Sage was born. So how is he related to Uzumakis and/or how are Senjus distant relatives with Uzumaki clan?

Theory: It is logical to assume that Uzumaki clan are descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan (Sage's origin clan).
Maybe, but why?
* As told, Sage's mother ate the forbidden fruit granting her chakra (you know the story) it is reasonable to presume that Uzumakis are descendants because they have that "exceptional/special" chakra and abilities (sensory, tailed beast suppression, life force)
* Uzumaki Nagato, a known Uzumaki who was able to have Rinnegan. Others known to have such an ability are those in possession of Hashirama's cells known as Senju DNA. It also has been stated that Senjus are distantly related with Uzumakis. So what does it all make? What's the conclusion?
The fruit was a piece of Juubi and gave that special chakra to all the descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, including Uzumakis. Since the Sage himself was of a Ootsutsuki origin he already had that ability (without taking account of Sir Derp's Rinnegan theory) the Sage also spawned two sons, Uchiha and Senju Ancestors, splitting Juubi's traits (the eye and the body, The Sharingan and The Wood). The Fruit, The Sharingan, The Wood (lol) are completely different things, but they're all connected to one thing, the Juubi. Hence the connection, Uzumaki's are able to possess the Rinnegan. (There is no proof, however that Uchihas can or can not possess the Rinnegan without Senju DNA, it has only been stated on how to awaken it, but I am sure that anybody can possess it, but can anybody's chakra levels and life force can handle the Rinnegan's demand? That's why The Fruit aka Uzumaki's chakra and Juubi's Body aka The Wood/Senju DNA are pieces of the puzzle)

TL;DR. Uzumakis are related and might be descendants of Ootsutsuki Clan, the Sage's original clan. It's just that Sage decided to move out, go to college, have a foreign wife, start a family business, away from his momma.

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In other words, Uzumaki's special abilities are related to the Fruit that Kaguya Ootsutsuki has eaten and those abilities has become a clan trait. Sage meanwhile departed away from a clan and had his own kids and stuff.

sir derps theory was that the sage is an uzumaki. not an uzumaki decendent. AN UZUMAKI... the sages name ..does not have uzumaki in it anywhere. and if someone says we dont know his dads name yet..well it doesnt matter because the clan the sage got his powers from was not an uzumaki. your saying the sage might have made the uzumaki clan..well even if the sage did make the uzumaki clan.. sir derps theory said the sage came from the uzumkai clan..so i dont see how he isnt wrong. also im pretty sure he theorized that chakra was around before the sage. but the only person who had it was his mom.