So Sasuke was putting in work without the EMS??

[Sasuke tyeezy]

There was no reason to use ems. I mean it doesn't enhance precognition, does it?

Supposed too, I believe. Not 100% sure tho.

 

[TNC Xlll]

The reason why he had to active his EMS to use Kagutsuchi was mainly because Sasuke uses Amaterasu in one eye and controls the flames in the other eye. It would be impossible to cast the flames and control them in the same eye It's like trying to use the offense Kamui (Kakashs') in the same eye as the defense Kamui (Obitos').

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I know that, but since he can activate EMS in 1 eye now, I just wanted point that he can use susanoo without the EMS to be visible.

 

[oxtopus]

he used ems several times it was in the opening fight against kinshiki that he didn't use ems

 

[Brooks]

I know that, but since he can activate EMS in 1 eye now, I just wanted point that he can use susanoo without the EMS to be visible.

Okay.

 

[shelke]

I haven't seen the movie, but once you unlock the higher forms of Sharingan it does seem possible to use the highest form's techs with the lowest form.

:lol Of course it does. Sasuke went from not being able to keep up with V2 Ay to tracking a Juubi Jinchuriki and being praised by SM Madara plus forcing him to block, who beforehand blitzed SM Naruto.

Look at FTG's post, he has the scans.

He did keep track of him. His body couldn't. Otherwise, he wouldn't have coated his ribcage-S with Enton right before Ae struck under V2 cloak.

 

[Ambivalence]

^ I know, that's why I said ''keep up with him'' instead of ''keep track of him''. Same deal as 2T Sasuke vs Lee - he has the mental reactions, but his body can't respond to them. Luckily Susano'o and Enton coating has nothing to do with with his physical movement.

 

[shelke]

I am guessing the who the point of the Eien no Mangekyô Sharingan is to increase your previous Sharingan powers such as Susanoo (when Sasuke used Perfect Susanoo) and increase the chakra of the user (which is why Sasuke kept using Sharingan powers and other element attacks through out the whole war, but he didn't show the slightest sign of being tired).

It was still his Rinnegan, but you can't see it do to Sasuke's long hair.

It does, but I will attribute it more to his speed and reflex action boost. The guy did this:

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Remember, the hideouts are pretty damn big and he covered all that distance in a flash. That is insane speed.

^ I know, that's why I said ''keep up with him'' instead of ''keep track of him''. Same deal as 2T Sasuke vs Lee - he has the mental reactions, but his body can't respond to them. Luckily Susano'o and Enton coating has nothing to do with with his physical movement.

True, but that was way back and we also know that he overcame that as Gai did make it clear that his reactions aren't simply due to Sharingan. But then again, V2 Ae is hardly a push over.

 

[Tyris]

I love how fanboys go against kishi exact words "Sasuke=Naruto"

And willfully ignore who has more wins between the 2 even if they are equal in power finally x"D

 

[Dantee]

Very nice.

 

[NarutoX28]

Sasuke can use PS with 3T

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Glad I wasn't the only one who caught this.

 

[Solo]

The Rinnegan does hold all of his Mangekyo Sharingan power, but also seems the Mangekyo Sharingan grants the user a unique power as well. Tsukuyomi, Kamui, and so on. It seems those techniques can't be used through the Rinnegan.

It was said that Sasuke right eye gives him the ability to control the black flames, while Amaterasu is in his left eye.

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Susano'o is sooo ugh in this series, there is no logic behind it.

 

[Nagi]

The Rinnegan does hold all of his Mangekyo Sharingan power, but also seems the Mangekyo Sharingan grants the user a unique power as well. Tsukuyomi, Kamui, and so on. It seems those techniques can't be used through the Rinnegan.

It was said that Sasuke right eye gives him the ability to control the black flames, while Amaterasu is in his left eye.

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Susano'o is sooo ugh in this series, there is no logic behind it.

Double MS open up the door to allow the user to access to susano'o. Then you can strengthen the control of Susano'o with the eyes. That's the only logic I can think of.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm saying his precignition is already there thru Rinnegan so I dont think MS was needed. I am talking to you not addressing your conversation with whomever else. Simply making a comment

Rinnegan lacks Precognition though.

 

[Solo]

Double MS open up the door to allow the user to access to susano'o. Then you can strengthen the control of Susano'o with the eyes. That's the only logic I can think of.

I gave up on Susano'o when Madara used it without eyes. Because Madara's entire revival was just pure plot, tbh. Which is why don't look much into Susano'o anymore.

 

[Nagi]

I gave up on Susano'o when Madara used it without eyes. Because Madara's entire revival was just pure plot, tbh. Which is why don't look much into Susano'o anymore.

lol. Naw. The manga never stated that Susano'o is a MS jutsu. It just said double MS grant access to Susano'o. Susano'o is made of the user's spiritual energy, not ocular power. So once the user gain access to Susano'o, they can train to tap into it at will and use it without their eyes. However, the MS just give that user a better control of utlizing their spiritual energy.

But I got you. SO many plot shit in the manga.

 

[Jokule67]

Rinnegan lacks Precognition though.

You cant judge that from Nagato only. Rinnegan has revealed way more than when Nagato used it. And there is nothing stating that it lacks precignition.

 

[NarutoX28]

You cant judge that from Nagato only. Rinnegan has revealed way more than when Nagato used it. And there is nothing stating that it lacks precignition.

There's nothing implying it does. Even Obito's influence on the Edo Jin's reflexes were only related to their Sharingan. The Rinnegan was only stated to provide a greater field of vision and that was also confirmed by the Gokage and they made no mention of Madara's precognitive abilities w/ the Rinnegan.

The only reason Sasuke retained Precognition within his Rinnegan was obviously because it's a superior variant of the Rinnegan which allows Sasuke to use the Mangekyo's powers along with the Rinnegan within the same eye.

 

[Decimo Blaze]

so am i the only one who is thinking it would have made no difference if he use ems

 

[Jokule67]

There's nothing implying it does. Even Obito's influence on the Edo Jin's reflexes were only related to their Sharingan. The Rinnegan was only stated to provide a greater field of vision and that was also confirmed by the Gokage and they made no mention of Madara's precognitive abilities w/ the Rinnegan.

The only reason Sasuke retained Precognition within his Rinnegan was obviously because it's a superior variant of the Rinnegan which allows Sasuke to use the Mangekyo's powers along with the Rinnegan within the same eye.

That makes sense. The obito's six paths of pain you provided did it for me. Literally no other reason why both would be needed.

However Nagato and Obito used a transplanted Rinnegan. Once Madara got it back he revealed its true power and clearly used precognition with his Rinnegan.

With this, I conclude that Transplanted Rinnegan cannot use Sharingan powers.

I dont believe Mangekyou increases precognition. I think it stops at 3 tomoe. Mangekyou comes with unique abilities only.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Rinnegan lacks Precognition though.

Not Sasuke's though. And probably not Madara's as well, since they're both Uchihas who awakened the Rinnegan.