So PS > BSM in terms of defense? Still.

[Sennin of Logic]

Its just raw juubi chakra as it has chakra drawing. If its not meant to explode then its still weaker as its just kinetic energy.
Look again at that scan the tails clearly deflected the beam into many smaller ones.
Thus deflected not tanked, which didnt happen with mountains as it went off and explosion created whole lots of dust and smoke around.


Look again yourself, arm is still connected to the elbow.

V3 unscratched, fodders clearly got weaker cloak and freaking KOed, it did save them thou. Im aware of that, now what?

Doesn't change the fact that it withstood something that solos mountain ranges.



I'm not arguing with you on this anymore. If you didn't see it, you're actively trying not to. There were 3 arms, one of which had a shoulder in the air. The alliance was disoriented, but physically unharmed. They got right back up. The cloaks went away because Naruto ran out of chakra.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Doesn't change the fact that it withstood something that solos mountain ranges.

Deflected something that does that, if explodes.

I'm not arguing with you on this anymore. If you didn't see it, you're actively trying not to. There were 3 arms, one of which had a shoulder in the air. The alliance was disoriented, but physically unharmed. They got right back up. The cloaks went away because Naruto ran out of chakra.

Thats not shoulder but a fist, the other end of it is still connected to elbow. Get better glasses

Tenpenchi is the biggest explosion in this manga that humans tanked.
Its only inferior to V2 juubi TBBs and so on.
All of them survived with susanoo and kurama cloaks. Its a fact.
What do you wanna speculate here on?

 

[shadowcb]

I have to disagree. BSM defense is stronger. We saw BM block a TBB attack from the 10 tails.

OP your example of why you believe PS is stronger is a poor example because of you ignored Naruto's condition. Naruto was not at 100% at that time. Everything Naruto has done up to that point in the war was pushing himself to his mental and physical limits. Sakura might be able to heal his body, but she can't heal his mind.

The 9 tails even warned Naruto that controlling all of his chakra and the chakra he gave the alliance at once would wear him out. Naruto decided to ignored that 9 tails warning and control all of that chakra at once.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that Naruto has being fighting a lot longer than Sasuke and wasn't at full power while Sasuke was in a better condition than him. Naruto was in intense training (with no rest mind you) before even going into the war where he used up a lot of chakra and was even injuried

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(used a ton of chakra which makes you exhausted) and

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(He got injured and told be no to taking a break). Then he split his power 1/13th when he made 12 clones

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and we know Naruto feels a percentage of what his clones feel and since they were all fighting he would feel exhausted even more which he shows right before going BM for the first time

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Naruto got healed by Sakura 2x after that and we know Tsunade make people rest for days to weeks even after they're healed because their bodies don't fully recover. We see this in part 1 with Naruto after his fight with Sasuke (VoTE), with Kakashi after using Kamui for the first time in Shippuden and Sasuke after he was healed from the wounds Itachi gave him when he followed Naruto to find Itachi.

Not only that but BSM wasn't even at full power, Kurama was in the process of trying to gather more chakra and when Naruto tried to go BM his KM went out completely

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. Then Yang Kurama got some chakra from Yin Kurama

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and after that Naruto and Minato gave a ton of chakra to the Shinobi alliance and Minato had to have used a lot of chakra to FTG them all away

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So Then Naruto and Minato went BSM/BM and used a Super Senjutsu Rasengan and Senjutsu tbb before having their chakra absorbed. Yin Kurama then gave the chakra he had left to Yang Kurama

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. Naruto uses his charka to increase the defensive capabilities as he did in page 4-8:

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. Then he tanks this

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for not only himself but over 20k ninjas (they had like 50k before whicle there were 80k Zetsus I believe)

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. You can see it knocked him out of KM doing so.

So taking all of that into consideration, Naruto at full power and strength could just increase his defensive power using more chakra as he did for thousands of others and wouldn't be as wiped out as he is.

This is a great post that shows us what Naruto has been doing throughout this war and why he wasn't at 100% near the end of his battle with Obito.

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubi laser argument again? What makes you think V3 wouldnt tank it? Oh right nothing at all.

Anyone still arguing with this guy should just quit now, this quote is proof he is talking out of his ass.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Anyone still arguing with this guy should just quit now, this quote is proof he is talking out of his ass.

I just did. At this point we're arguing the same point back and forth. The only way this could go is an insult fest.

 

[End of Days]

And where does it show in that scan Kyuubi Naruto tanking that attacked?​

refresh your memory, the bomb exploded right on top of six tailed naruto

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[shelke]

Kyuubi Naruto surviving its own attack means he can do so for Juubi as well. LOL just LOL.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Anyone still arguing with this guy should just quit now, this quote is proof he is talking out of his ass.

Are you gonna throw any argument in or just act butthurt?
I've had enough of juubi lazer BS, its nothing but hype.

Lazer is focused vector attack bla bla yet a fraction of tenpenchi corresponding to same vector trumps lazer any day.

And none of that matters as kishi has made a clear comparison already, you just cant deal with the facts.

 

[shelke]

As FTG already mentioned, Naruto never tanked the mountain busting V2 Juubi attack. I see this base is still retarded as it always has been and cannot seem to see the difference between laser - from a lesser Juubi - and a Bijuu dama. LOL

 

[End of Days]

Kyuubi Naruto surviving its own attack means he can do so for Juubi as well. LOL just LOL.

if this was aimed at me then perhaps you should go over to my original post and understand what we are even arguing about before commenting

 

[shelke]

Susano'o is less durable because Naruto tanked its own attack. An attack which was interrupted and was composed of such a small compressed Chakra. Nice analogy. It's no surprise it's from you. I mean, depreciating Susano'o that got smashed after being slapped by all Bijuus ... puts so much weight into your argument.

 

[Oblivionx]

what a horrible example to analyse durability....! what obito was using was liquefied jinton and it would have done the same to PS...! was PS hit by it??? no...! so you used examples of your choice...! i wanna use BM tanking jubi's laser and PS tanking budha or kyubi's TBB....! now they seem pretty even don't they??? XD

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you gonna throw any argument in or just act butthurt?
I've had enough of juubi lazer BS, its nothing but hype.

Lazer is focused vector attack bla bla yet a fraction of tenpenchi corresponding to same vector trumps lazer any day.

And none of that matters as kishi has made a clear comparison already, you just cant deal with the facts.

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Juubi laser is far more powerful than a normal Bijuu Dama, seeing the damage it caused and seeing that it effortlessly plowed through 9 of them without losing any momentum at all.

Tenpenchii's total energy output surpasses Juubi laser's, but the Juubi laser's energy is more focused towards its target, unlike Tenpenchii, which spreads out over a large area. V3 Susanoo tanking something that fodder in not very durable cloaks tanked is completely irrelevant here. Understand this before replying with BS.

The facts are above, in this post. The fact you think tanking a fraction of Tenpenchii's energy output is greater than tanking Juubi's Laser means that you are an idiot, something long confirmed for me though.

-Tenpenchii was survived by fodder in cloaks, with zero damage.

-Naruto survived it but lost his cloak since he had to control the chakra for everyone else, still blocked it.

Naruto needs the BM Avatar, which is indisputably more durable than fodder in cloaks and KCM Naruto, to block the Juubi's laser yet tanking Tenpenchii is more impressive? lmao, the stupidity is real.

Juubi laser already has the feats that put it above most attacks in this manga. Only an idiot of the finest kind would say that blocking it isn't impressive.

-Plowed through 9 Bijuu Dama.

-Is just hype.

lmao, stop.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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Juubi laser is far more powerful than a normal Bijuu Dama, seeing the damage it caused and seeing that it effortlessly plowed through 9 of them without losing any momentum at all.

Tenpenchii's total energy output surpasses Juubi laser's, but the Juubi laser's energy is more focused towards its target, unlike Tenpenchii, which spreads out over a large area. V3 Susanoo tanking something that fodder in not very durable cloaks tanked is completely irrelevant here. Understand this before replying with BS.

The facts are above, in this post. The fact you think tanking a fraction of Tenpenchii's energy output is greater than tanking Juubi's Laser means that you are an idiot, something long confirmed for me though.

-Tenpenchii was survived by fodder in cloaks, with zero damage.

-Naruto survived it but lost his cloak since he had to control the chakra for everyone else, still blocked it.

Yet Naruto needs the BM Avatar, which is indisputably stronger than fodder in cloaks and KCM Naruto in durability, to block the Juubi's laser yet tanking Tenpenchii is more impressive? lmao, the stupidity is real.

Juubi laser already has the feats that put it above most attacks in this manga. Only an idiot of the finest kind would say that blocking it isn't impressive.

-Plowed through 9 Bijuu Dama.

-Is just hype.

lmao, stop.

And may I add that the juubi laser argument is completely valid despite wheat Alphascythian and Shelke said for the following reasons.

The nay-sayer claim is that it did not blow up when it hit Naruto and it's not a feat yada yada. However, it's nature is a laser, not an explosive. Lasers don't blow up they fire a stream.


And there's a huge hole in the nay-sayer argument. Let's assume they're right. Why would it carry its effect on mountains and not on a mass of super-hard tails? Lunacy! It'd be the worst attack ever if the trigger is hitting a huge pile of rocks.

 

[KidGamer65]

And may I add that the juubi laser argument is completely valid despite wheat Alphascythian and Shelke said for the following reasons.

The nay-sayer claim is that it did not blow up when it hit Naruto and it's not a feat yada yada. However, it's nature is a laser, not an explosive. Lasers don't blow up they fire a stream.


And there's a huge hole in the nay-sayer argument. Let's assume they're right. Why would it carry its effect on mountains and not on a mass of super-hard tails? Lunacy! It'd be the worst attack ever if the trigger is hitting a huge pile of rocks.

lol, exactly. It not blowing up can't be used as a negative for the attack when its not supposed to blow up. In fact, the laser would deal more damage to Naruto than a Bijuu Dama containing the same exact energy considering the laser causes Naruto to take more of the total energy yield due to the laser being a focused beam that doesn't explode, while Bijuu Dama being a giant explosion, meaning the target doesn't take all of the energy from one.

Alpha never knows what he's talking about (Look at my sig Lol) so I'm not surprised.

It being weaker than the V2 Juubi's attack is hardly a way to discredit Naruto blocking it, considering its still stronger than most attacks in this manga.

 

[End of Days]

Susano'o is less durable because Naruto tanked its own attack. An attack which was interrupted and was composed of such a small compressed Chakra. Nice analogy. It's no surprise it's from you. I mean, depreciating Susano'o that got smashed after being slapped by all Bijuus ... puts so much weight into your argument.

a bijuu dama is a bijuu's most powerful attack, physical assault by a bijuu using its tails doesnt even come close to the kind of power a bijuu dama has, one tail or arm isnt even enough to kill karin or harm kakuzu

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all the bijuus hit madara's susanoo so thats roughly nine times this attack

you are calling the kyuubi naruto's attack small? an attack can be small in size and yet hugely destructive compared to other attacks like swing arms or tails

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this attack which reaches out high in the sky and visible even across village is stronger

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than this, anyone can tell just by looking

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[AlphaScythian]

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Juubi laser is far more powerful than a normal Bijuu Dama, seeing the damage it caused and seeing that it effortlessly plowed through 9 of them without losing any momentum at all.

Then whose normal bijudama? Bijus? Well no shit then.
Lol that chakra stream had the thickness of the bijuu. Those TBBs are like nothing more then spits of chakra. Big deal.

Tenpenchii's total energy output surpasses Juubi laser's, but the Juubi laser's energy is more focused towards its target, unlike Tenpenchii, which spreads out over a large area. V3 Susanoo tanking something that fodder in not very durable cloaks tanked is completely irrelevant here. Understand this before replying with BS.

Understand that tenpenchi wiped out from the map the damage done by lazer in same vector.

The facts are above, in this post. The fact you think tanking a fraction of Tenpenchii's energy output is greater than tanking Juubi's Laser means that you are an idiot, something long confirmed for me though.

The fact you think V3 wouldnt do the job w/o any strong argument despite kishi depicting it to be around BM lvl, means you're biased ****. Long confirmed by the way

-Tenpenchii was survived by fodder in cloaks, with zero damage.

Yes they did, to every one's disappointment, proving that lazer would do better with facts another deal.

-Naruto survived it but lost his cloak since he had to control the chakra for everyone else, still blocked it.

Naruto + kyuubi chakra grant him regeneration comparable to tsunade if not better.

Naruto needs the BM Avatar, which is indisputably more durable than fodder in cloaks and KCM Naruto, to block the Juubi's laser yet tanking Tenpenchii is more impressive? lmao, the stupidity is real.

Yeah naruto used tails to block fire before, yet simple cloak would suffice. Not only that but he also struggled against the current, he would receive less damage if he went with the flow as fodders did in tenpenchi.

Juubi laser already has the feats that put it above most attacks in this manga. Only an idiot of the finest kind would say that blocking it isn't impressive.

-Plowed through 9 Bijuu Dama.

-Is just hype.

lmao, stop.

Yeah plowed through small chakra grains, and melted some tails cuz naruto was struggling with it such feats. V3 still tanks it and you cant prove otherwise. Even if the laser would be stronger then tenpenchi its doesnt change the point of this thread, as V3 would tank it too according to manga.

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Now show me where is that trace of the laser in second scan?

 

[Xāvî1]

Okay then if BSM avatar > Senjutsu V3 Susanoo , then explain to me why both Sasuke and Naruto looks fine.

what is deidara doing there bro?

 

[AlphaScythian]

There is more thou.

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The trench from the lazer is much smaller in comparison to what 8-9 tails did.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

There is more thou.

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The trench from the lazer is much smaller in comparison to what 8-9 tails did.

A Kamehameha leaves a smaller scar on the earth than the ordinary ki blasts.