So obito lost on purpose?

[TrollKing]

That's exactly what I've been saying, Madara did in fact lose in purpose against Hashirama, not saying Hashi can't defeat him, but saying Madara just wanted the DNA

If hashi > madara, kakash > obito

Very good reasoning. And I see how people contradict already

 

[KisuneUchiha]

If hashi > madara, kakash > obito

Very good reasoning. And I see how people contradict already

These are two different situations though, B
Obito can beat Kakashi extra high diff

 

[TrollKing]

These are two different situations though, B
Obito can beat Kakashi extra high diff

I'm basing how manga tells than how I imply their feats the way I want

Madara < hashi (because madara aimed for hashi DNA

Obito < kakashi (because obito wants to become a jin)

If you say obito kamui snipe hashi, then I won't bother. Because your logic is on a whole new level

 

[Xāvî1]

Basically yeah

 

[the last shinobi]

@ people who though Kakashi could beat Obito

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i swear this is the most popular gif on the site...still funny every time i see it

 

[the last shinobi]

Yep because Kakashi went all out too right? He didn't use any water techniques or shadow clones or any other 1000 jutsu he had. You don't just throw all techniques out in a fight, especially ones that won't help you. Obito was using the outer path technique. You say he didn't use Rinnegan even though he did and we all know Obito can't use the Rinnegan to such levels. He only had it for a day and you people think he should be Nagato level with it. What other fire jutsu could Obito use? What wood techniques are useful, his wood style is worse than ya atoms yet you think it will help against Kakashi lol.

Kakashi won the fight, Obitos and kishi's words. Kishi didn't more the fight of their youth battle for nothing. You people really love to downgrade characters. Never before have I seen an argument of saying someone lost on purpose, that's just pathetic.

When has kakashi ever used these alleged 1000 jutsu he uses chiordi, earth wall, mist, water dragon, summoning and shadow clones with the exception of chiordi he hasn't used any of these more than 3 or times

yes you have from another Uchiha Obito has worked with for years Itachi. We have obito's own words and his actions that immediately back up the claim but here you feel that kakashi so kind should have been able to beat that guy despite him having a rennigan, better use of his sharingan, and wood style. smh fan boys at their finest

 

[Gold Lightning]

Irrelevant, Obito has still shown bigger katon feats without kamui than the puny one he used against kakashi. Also, a continuous barrage of on tips wood branches WOULD cause a large amount of trouble to a kakashi that is TIRED.(which he was, as stayed in the kamui dimension for ages after the fight to recover.....) Your examples are extremely shitty as are your analogies. Obito clearly said that the puppet master seal was INTERFERING with his attempt to become the juubi's jinchuriki-this heavily implies that he thought about/tried to do it before. What better way to remove it than to get stabbed in the kamui dimension-as Madara would NOT see it occurring.(Hence he would still believe that obito was his puppet.)

This is completely different to the VOTE situation between Hashirama and Madara. Madara wanted Hashirama's DNA to further his plans yes, but it would have been FAR better for him not to be severely wounded by hashirama, hence we know he didn't throw the fight away. Plus, we saw both men use their strongest moves.(PS,Buddha,kurama) (Also, a man like Madara could easily fake his death even if he won-as he faked it in canon.) The reason it would have been better for Madara to not to be injured is due to the fact that he would have been able to do a lot more on his own, without being a crippled/weak/injured man for the rest of his life.(and possibly achieve his goals faster) It's blatantly obvious that Obito planned the stab during the fight. Only idiots think otherwise.

Still waiting for that Obito scan of his amazing fire style. Obito didn't use spikes when fighting Naruto or when he fought minato, it's not a super effective jutsu, only fodder will get hit by it.

You say Hashirama vs Madara is different because you want it to be. It is not different at all, it's basically the same scenario but it's cool, ignore it.

I guess Obito can read kakashis mind, he new that Kakashi would strike him through the chest in the exact place where the seal was right? The fact that Kakashi is the one who kicked him to the ground and straight up owned him in taijutsu and then lunched at him with a lightning kunai shows that it wasn't Obitos intention. You even see Obito quickly try to defend himself and desperately tries to stab Kakashi as well. Why would he act in that manner if his plan was to get stabbed? He was even dragging the fight out with genjutsu and everything, it's so obvious he was fighting serious, don't know why that's difficult to see.

Obito: "you may have won the fight but I won't let you win the war". - I'll take these words over yours any day.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Look at the bottom panel, he's clearly using MS or are you just gonna ignore that part.

 

[King Of Pop]

Again with this Juubi sized Keaton crap. You realise he uses kamui to expand the size of his flames right? In the kamui dimension however he probably couldn't use it that way. Show me a scan of Obito using a giant fire based attack without kamui - he's not Madara you know. On tips wood branches aren't causing Kakashi trouble when his lightning blade easily tears through it. It's ridiculous how nb thinks you need to throw out every jutsu in your arsenal in a battle. Minato used a fraction of his power against Obito, Hashirama didn't use ftw against Madara. Kakashi didn't use thousands of jutsu against Obito also, your point just isn't valid. It's just excuses for Obitos loss.

You keep saying Obito didn't use x and y, and can go at this all day and say what Kakashi didn't use as well. It's hilarious that you people don't realise that Obito was never a great fighter without kamui. He went from not being able to match kid Kakashi (then he unlocked MS) to being able to take out large anbu squads. So take away kamui and his combat is just normal level. Becoming the 10 tails was his back up plan yes, but he planned that from a long time ago. Do you think he anticipated on fighting Kakashi this war and planned it since then. By your logic, Madara planned to lose to Hashirama and didn't fight him 100% in order to fake his death and obtain his DNA. That's basically what you guys are saying.

This guy is in denial and its quite sad. Obito statements to madara shits on any fan fiction people can make up.in case you haven't noticed obito is a master plannner, he always plans certain smal situations to achieve a bigger aim, the bigger picture. Becoming the juubi jin was the bigger picture on obitos mind and he couldn't become that as long as that seal was on him, what is so hard to understand. He used kakashi to achieve that aim as he couldn't do it himself, its writted clearly in the manga which you are denying.

 

[King Of Pop]

I'm basing how manga tells than how I imply their feats the way I want

Madara < hashi (because madara aimed for hashi DNA

Obito < kakashi (because obito wants to become a jin)

If you say obito kamui snipe hashi, then I won't bother. Because your logic is on a whole new level

Madara didn't just aim for hashis dna, that's false. He wanted to kill hashi, he's killing intent was obvious from the fight. He used tbbs combined with Ps, he used his strongest arsenal but he couldn't beat the guy hence he settled for his plan b which was to get the dna. Its different from the other scenario in which obito clearly stated to madara that he had kakashi remove the seal from him. Other translations might change but one fact wont- which is that the seal was preventing obito from becoming a juubi jin which was his main aim at that point.