So obito lost on purpose?

[mafo]

when anyone starts off by saying i am a fan of the other guy but i have to admit he was no match for "the guy i am actually a fan of". Just know its a load of BS

 

[Champ]

Yeah, Obito used Kakashi

 

[TrollKing]

when anyone starts off by saying i am a fan of the other guy but i have to admit he was no match for "the guy i am actually a fan of". Just know its a load of BS

Yea, I'm an obito fan but I have to say obito without kamui is nothing....

 

[saw2097]

I always wondered about that, Obito was one of the most powerful characters in the manga and he losses to Kakashi. Now it actually makes sense and it explains why Madara couldn't control Obito when he attempted to revive himself the first time.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Pretty Much

 

[Specific]

I always wondered about that, Obito was one of the most powerful characters in the manga and he losses to Kakashi. Now it actually makes sense and it explains why Madara couldn't control Obito when he attempted to revive himself the first time.

I didn't think of that, this is very plausible.

 

[narutoblitz]

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Obito's words > your words.​

Obito also said he was Madara, didn't care about anyone, didn't want to be Hokage and blah blah blah. Obito's words are the words of a pathological, mostly insane liar.

Obito had no reason to lie to Madara. I'm with OP. Kakashi isn't even top 30 even with MS. Now he's not even top 50.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

@ people who though Kakashi could beat Obito

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the more i see this gif the funnier it gets.

OT kakashi never stood a chance against the arsenal that obito had.

 

[King Of Pop]

YOU PEOPLE JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS TOO MUCH, THAT TRANSLATION CANNOT BE TRUSTED, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE:

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Wait for the officical Viz translation before jumping the gun. From what I gather, Kakashi kicked his ass and Obito fled like a little b****. Obito didn't let Kakashi stab him, it was a real death match, they even did the sign of confrontation before beginning their fight. Why would Obito fight back and even stab kakashi in the end if his plan was to let kakashi stab him in the heart, that's bs.

What your saying mks little sense. Obito couldn't remove that seal himself and as long as its there obito couldn't become juubi jin so he had kakashi stab him there to remove it for him which implies that obito certainly didn't give his all that fight. Its no ones fault, we just simply going by manga. OT I agree, found it iffy how kakashi won that battle, he shouldn't have been a match for obito.

 

[Conspirator.]

Only moronic Kakashi fapboys actually believe Obito went all out in that fight. He didn't use the rinnegan, he didn't even try to use mokuton. All he used was a basic fireball jutsu. LOL! It's obvious based on the last chapter that obito deliberately had kakashi stab him so that he could become the juubi jinchuriki.(and that would heal him from his chest wound.) That's why he told kakashi that "he won the fight, but not the war...."

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Only moronic Kakashi fapboys actually believe Obito went all out in that fight. He didn't use the rinnegan, he didn't even try to use mokuton. All he used was a basic fireball jutsu. LOL! It's obvious based on the last chapter that obito deliberately had kakashi stab him so that he could become the juubi jinchuriki.(and that would heal him from chest wound.) That's why he told kakashi that "he won the fight, but not the war...."

Agreed. Logical members are rare nowadays.

 

[Specific]

Only moronic Kakashi fapboys actually believe Obito went all out in that fight. He didn't use the rinnegan, he didn't even try to use mokuton. All he used was a basic fireball jutsu. LOL! It's obvious based on the last chapter that obito deliberately had kakashi stab him so that he could become the juubi jinchuriki.(and that would heal him from chest wound.) That's why he told kakashi that "he won the fight, but not the war...."

Pretty much. Glad it's cleared up.

 

[A v i]

Always though that there is something wrong with that battle and I was under the impression it was because Obito was too weak while fighting Kakashi becaue of his previous battles.There is noway in hell for someone who kept up Minato and whole team Naruto during the war could loose against Kakashi in a cqc battle.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Only moronic Kakashi fapboys actually believe Obito went all out in that fight. He didn't use the rinnegan, he didn't even try to use mokuton. All he used was a basic fireball jutsu. LOL! It's obvious based on the last chapter that obito deliberately had kakashi stab him so that he could become the juubi jinchuriki.(and that would heal him from his chest wound.) That's why he told kakashi that "he won the fight, but not the war...."

Yep because Kakashi went all out too right? He didn't use any water techniques or shadow clones or any other 1000 jutsu he had. You don't just throw all techniques out in a fight, especially ones that won't help you. Obito was using the outer path technique. You say he didn't use Rinnegan even though he did and we all know Obito can't use the Rinnegan to such levels. He only had it for a day and you people think he should be Nagato level with it. What other fire jutsu could Obito use? What wood techniques are useful, his wood style is worse than ya atoms yet you think it will help against Kakashi lol.

Kakashi won the fight, Obitos and kishi's words. Kishi didn't more the fight of their youth battle for nothing. You people really love to downgrade characters. Never before have I seen an argument of saying someone lost on purpose, that's just pathetic.

 

[Conspirator.]

Yep because Kakashi went all out too right? He didn't use any water techniques or shadow clones or any other 1000 jutsu he had. You don't just throw all techniques out in a fight, especially ones that won't help you. Obito was using the outer path technique. You say he didn't use Rinnegan even though he did and we all know Obito can't use the Rinnegan to such levels. He only had it for a day and you people think he should be Nagato level with it. What other fire jutsu could Obito use? What wood techniques are useful, his wood style is worse than ya atoms yet you think it will help against Kakashi lol.

Kakashi won the fight, Obitos and kishi's words. Kishi didn't more the fight of their youth battle for nothing. You people really love to downgrade characters. Never before have I seen an argument of saying someone lost on purpose, that's just pathetic.

No, none of that changes the fact that Obito let it happen. he himself said "you may have won the fight...but not the war" Why the f**k would he say something like that while being on the verge of death? Unless he had some sort of backup/failsafe/plan. I thought there was something strange about the kakashi/obito fight(especially obito's comment at the ending), but I just couldn't place my finger on it. It's blatantly obvious now, given how the puppet master seal works, that Obito planned it from the beginning(to be the juubi's jinchuriki). Of course kakashi was worn out so he couldn't fight at 100%, but from what we have seen from the 2 characters, Obito was clearly not even showing a fraction of his power(so he was showing a lower percentage of his power than kakashi was). He went from using juubi sized katons to a katon that he could use as a 11 year old. He didn't try using his weak mokuton(which could still cause kakashi trouble given he was tired) I don't even like Obito, but the fact that he planned the stab occurring is blatantly obvious.

 

[Gold Lightning]

No, none of that changes the fact that Obito let it happen. he himself said "you may have won the fight...but not the war" Why the f**k would he say something like that while being on the verge of death? Unless he had some sort of backup/failsafe/plan. I thought there was something strange about the kakashi/obito fight(especially obito's comment at the ending), but I just couldn't place my finger on it. It's blatantly obvious now, given how the puppet master seal works, that Obito planned it from the beginning(to be the juubi's jinchuriki). Of course kakashi was worn out so he couldn't fight at 100%, but from what we have seen from the 2 characters, Obito was clearly not even showing a fraction of his power(so he was showing a lower percentage of his power than kakashi was). He went from using juubi sized katons to a katon that he could use as a 11 year old. He didn't try using his weak mokuton(which could still cause kakashi trouble given he was tired) I don't even like Obito, but the fact that he planned the stab occurring is blatantly obvious.

Again with this Juubi sized Keaton crap. You realise he uses kamui to expand the size of his flames right? In the kamui dimension however he probably couldn't use it that way. Show me a scan of Obito using a giant fire based attack without kamui - he's not Madara you know. On tips wood branches aren't causing Kakashi trouble when his lightning blade easily tears through it. It's ridiculous how nb thinks you need to throw out every jutsu in your arsenal in a battle. Minato used a fraction of his power against Obito, Hashirama didn't use ftw against Madara. Kakashi didn't use thousands of jutsu against Obito also, your point just isn't valid. It's just excuses for Obitos loss.

You keep saying Obito didn't use x and y, and can go at this all day and say what Kakashi didn't use as well. It's hilarious that you people don't realise that Obito was never a great fighter without kamui. He went from not being able to match kid Kakashi (then he unlocked MS) to being able to take out large anbu squads. So take away kamui and his combat is just normal level. Becoming the 10 tails was his back up plan yes, but he planned that from a long time ago. Do you think he anticipated on fighting Kakashi this war and planned it since then. By your logic, Madara planned to lose to Hashirama and didn't fight him 100% in order to fake his death and obtain his DNA. That's basically what you guys are saying.

 

[xcoyote]

Again with this Juubi sized Keaton crap. You realise he uses kamui to expand the size of his flames right? In the kamui dimension however he probably couldn't use it that way. Show me a scan of Obito using a giant fire based attack without kamui - he's not Madara you know.

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[KisuneUchiha]

Again with this Juubi sized Keaton crap. You realise he uses kamui to expand the size of his flames right? In the kamui dimension however he probably couldn't use it that way. Show me a scan of Obito using a giant fire based attack without kamui - he's not Madara you know. On tips wood branches aren't causing Kakashi trouble when his lightning blade easily tears through it. It's ridiculous how nb thinks you need to throw out every jutsu in your arsenal in a battle. Minato used a fraction of his power against Obito, Hashirama didn't use ftw against Madara. Kakashi didn't use thousands of jutsu against Obito also, your point just isn't valid. It's just excuses for Obitos loss.

You keep saying Obito didn't use x and y, and can go at this all day and say what Kakashi didn't use as well. It's hilarious that you people don't realise that Obito was never a great fighter without kamui. He went from not being able to match kid Kakashi (then he unlocked MS) to being able to take out large anbu squads. So take away kamui and his combat is just normal level. Becoming the 10 tails was his back up plan yes, but he planned that from a long time ago. Do you think he anticipated on fighting Kakashi this war and planned it since then. By your logic, Madara planned to lose to Hashirama and didn't fight him 100% in order to fake his death and obtain his DNA. That's basically what you guys are saying.

That's exactly what I've been saying, Madara did in fact lose in purpose against Hashirama, not saying Hashi can't defeat him, but saying Madara just wanted the DNA

 

[KisuneUchiha]

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Damn!!!
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[Conspirator.]

Again with this Juubi sized Keaton crap. You realise he uses kamui to expand the size of his flames right? In the kamui dimension however he probably couldn't use it that way. Show me a scan of Obito using a giant fire based attack without kamui - he's not Madara you know. On tips wood branches aren't causing Kakashi trouble when his lightning blade easily tears through it. It's ridiculous how nb thinks you need to throw out every jutsu in your arsenal in a battle. Minato used a fraction of his power against Obito, Hashirama didn't use ftw against Madara. Kakashi didn't use thousands of jutsu against Obito also, your point just isn't valid. It's just excuses for Obitos loss.

You keep saying Obito didn't use x and y, and can go at this all day and say what Kakashi didn't use as well. It's hilarious that you people don't realise that Obito was never a great fighter without kamui. He went from not being able to match kid Kakashi (then he unlocked MS) to being able to take out large anbu squads. So take away kamui and his combat is just normal level. Becoming the 10 tails was his back up plan yes, but he planned that from a long time ago. Do you think he anticipated on fighting Kakashi this war and planned it since then. By your logic, Madara planned to lose to Hashirama and didn't fight him 100% in order to fake his death and obtain his DNA. That's basically what you guys are saying.

Irrelevant, Obito has still shown bigger katon feats without kamui than the puny one he used against kakashi. Also, a continuous barrage of on tips wood branches WOULD cause a large amount of trouble to a kakashi that is TIRED.(which he was, as stayed in the kamui dimension for ages after the fight to recover.....) Your examples are extremely shitty as are your analogies. Obito clearly said that the puppet master seal was INTERFERING with his attempt to become the juubi's jinchuriki-this heavily implies that he thought about/tried to do it before. What better way to remove it than to get stabbed in the kamui dimension-as Madara would NOT see it occurring.(Hence he would still believe that obito was his puppet.)

This is completely different to the VOTE situation between Hashirama and Madara. Madara wanted Hashirama's DNA to further his plans yes, but it would have been FAR better for him not to be severely wounded by hashirama, hence we know he didn't throw the fight away. Plus, we saw both men use their strongest moves.(PS,Buddha,kurama) (Also, a man like Madara could easily fake his death even if he won-as he faked it in canon.) The reason it would have been better for Madara to not to be injured is due to the fact that he would have been able to do a lot more on his own, without being a crippled/weak/injured man for the rest of his life.(and possibly achieve his goals faster) It's blatantly obvious that Obito planned the stab during the fight. Only idiots think otherwise.