~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

[Made in Heaven]

Look he doesn't idolize someone who's harmed his own friends/family and pained many people

Bullshit. He called him cool there is no further argument that needs to be made

That some one died a while back and he wasn't who obito really is.

Oh ? So who was alive killing the Alliance?

Naruto idolizes obito uchiha and not the guy that madara manipulated and brought to the dark side.

For the 248th time, Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito

Can't you all see this.

I can see just fine.

Yes its the same person but that person had his hopes crushed and he suffered to the hands of madara

Haku, Hinata, Neji, Kakashi, and Lee all had to go through shit and they didn't go insane.

and what choice did he have but to give in and fall into madara's hands.

Free will, bro. Free. Will.

That is not who naruto idolizes. Naruto idolizes obito uchiha the real one not the man behind the mask the one who couldn't hurt a fly the one who helped elderly the one who was kind to the heart

For the 249th time, Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito

 

[NarutoB]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

he didnt follow the plan exactly tho. he never revived madara like the plan was. unless he couldnt use rt bc thats considered suicide.
he wanted to be the jin, not let madara be it like the plan was.
cant say for sure bc he dead now.

I still think the seal had some sort of influence on Obito's actions though. A seal that just simply prevented him from using RT on himself doesn't sound right lol. Just my opinion though

 

[Chubbypanda]

Bullshit. He called him cool there is no further argument that needs to be made




Oh ? So who was alive killing the Alliance?



For the 248th time, Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito



I can see just fine.


Haku, Hinata, Neji, Kakashi, and Lee all had to go through shit and they didn't go insane.




Free will, bro. Free. Will.



For the 249th time, Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito

Lol who is spilling bs now

And you said "For the 249th time, Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito = Obito" We all get that but you don't understand that it wasn't him that did all those bad things not literally i mean. Don't be blind about obito. And don't tell me you see very fine or what ever i know you don't

 

[rasengan616]

I love that naruto is how he is.for example he emphasizes with the character in general.tgey had the same personality,they had the same dream and wanted the best for everyone in the first part of obits life.in which naruto was able to see in the tug of war,but then he got manipulated,just when obits thought he died Madara brings him back,and manipulates him to believe that infinite tsukuyomi is what's best for the world.madara gives obits his will by basically killing his morals.killing rin and making Kalashi the one kill her.which naruto sees. Aside from that he sees all that he did all his fight,all his kills,all the akatskui members he aquired,how he started the wAr,how tough he was to beat even with help from kakashi,bee,and gai,yea it was bad but it was really BADASS! you should know mr.fuherr. What HITLER did was bad but overall it was BADASS!and obits did what he did because he was manipulated and his whole word was tooken away from him by age like 15.DANM THAT BADASS MADARA!!! But over all naruto will win and if you can't tell well kishi will show you why the good guys win.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

To the people arguing; No one gives a **** that Naruto forgave Obito, please understand that. We don't care he forgave Obito, we don't even care that he respects him... what bothers us is that he admires and idolizes someone who's harmed his own friends/family and pained many people

That its too much to just accept

Brainwashed by Madara,had a puppet master seal on his heart and was under the affect of the curse of hatered .

Naruto already knew all this and tried to free him by reminding Obito who he was .
It's not like Obito didn't try to revive everyone that died during war or help them out during the fight with Kaguya .

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Damn this thread is long. And lol at the people using that stupid Kid Obito argument.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Its because there are people like you that the cycle of hatred will never end from this world.............Naruto is superior, godlike what else did you expect!!
And there are examples of people as forgiving as Naruto in this world, so do you mean they are dumbasses too??
It seems u read/watch too much of violent/gory content that your mind can't handle......read something better in the library instead or just watch Tom and Jerry if u r a kid!! U_U

 

[Made in Heaven]

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Shit.... this took so looong

Damn this thread is long. And lol at the people using that stupid Kid Obito argument.

It is merged with Narutoshippudenworld's thread

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Damn this thread is long. And lol at the people using that stupid Kid Obito argument.

By their logic Obito must've had a evil clone that did all the bad things instead of him.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Just looked at poll. Can't believe so many people voted that it was cool. Naruto fanboys are crazy.

 

[mohdzarif]

I won't praise someone who had killed thousands and caused many other thousands of deaths and ruined many people's lives, including my own life. This someone had just returned to the good side like an hour ago, what he did after that couldn't compensate the crime he had done for so many years.

Sure he saved my life but he still couldn't get the apologies from those dead people, because they were already dead. They are probably cursing him in the afterlife, and that includes my mom Kushina and my friend Neji.

Other people whose life were ruined because of Obito and Akatsuki, Shikamaru and Ino and many others, many of them still surely haven't apologized him yet and hold a big grudge against him.

I have no right to praise this guy and calling him awesome, while thousands of people including the dead are still cursing him. I am being sensitive and considerate to those people.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

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Shit.... this took so looong

You should save this somewhere.Lol

 

[Avani]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Please do not recreate already existing active topics. More than one thread on a topic at the same time is called spam. Such thread are either merged together or closed/removed.

 

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Shit.... this took so looong



It is merged with Narutoshippudenworld's thread

lol this is to true

 

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Shit.... this took so looong



It is merged with Narutoshippudenworld's thread

Yes he was the coolest guy after all the bad he did if you can't understand whatis going on like i was trying to say before ya gotta deal with it cause he is the coolest guy.



Sorry you were being obstinate but try and understand

 

[Kratoss]

Nice counter argument.

Lol, each day I visit this site, I'm reminded of how dumb this fanbase really is.

If you get more enjoyment from tasteless-ly making fun of the manga, than reading, then there is something seriously wrong with you, and your priorities in life.

Damn this thread is long. And lol at the people using that stupid Kid Obito argument.

Why was the Hokage word there?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Can't you see that it's just your own moral subjective feelings of 'what is good enough to be forgiven' that you are all basing this on? Who's to say that what Nagato did was 'good enough to warrant his forgiveness'? If Naruto killed a person, but saved a thousand people, does that mean Naruto should be forgiven? If so, by who's authority? It's all just subjective. You're just arbitrarily weighing the crimes obito did by your own gut feelings. So if just because Naruto doesn't have the same 'gut feeling' as you do when he decides to forgive someone doesn't somehow make what he's doing wrong. It's the same thing with when you say 'what is reasonable to forgive'. What is that even based on? Is it based on what most people would believe is forgivable? Why should the majority's gut feeling be the standard for what is right or wrong? By that logic, the Civil rights movement should have never happened, and the majority suppressing the minority should be celebrated. By that logic, if the majority of people liked naruto as a character, then you are wrong for disliking naruto as a character.

Next, Naruto has every right to forgive Obito on a personal level. I have no idea where you people got the idea that Naruto choosing to forgive Obito is suppose to mean that EVERYONE has forgiven Obito. Naruto can decide who he wants to forgive. How has Naruto excused Obito from the past he's lived? ARe you arguing that had Obito survived the war, Naruto would have made it mandatory that Obito be completely free of punishment? If not, then Naruto either doesn't have the authority to aleviate Obito from punishment or still believes that Obito should be punished. Naruto simply admiring who Obito is doesn't in anyway mean that Naruto believes Obito should get out of jail free or shouldn't have to pay for what he did in the past.

Why in the world does Naruto choosing to admire the Obito who was willing to die for the entire shinobi alliance and paid ultimate price for naruto = he doesn't have any respect for himself or his friends? You're literally just asserting this without providing any reasons to believe such is true. And then you've just devolved into the thing that I literally stated and proved is false: that Naruto admires obito just because Obito wanted to be hokage.

You're literally just ignoring what i've typed about how Naruto admires the Obito who died for him, and not the Obito who decided to start this war, asserting your own subjective moral taste as the moral standard for what is right and wrong, and asserting things without providing any reasoning for them.


So waht if the K11 and every shinobi doesn't forgive Sasuke and Obito? So what if his comrades get mad at him for forgiving Obito? There are tons of times when people get pissed when others make the tough, but right decision. Other than that the bolded has been answered over and over: the Obito naruto thinks is cool is not the same one who did all that stuff. Naruto never said or implied that the acts Obito did in the past have been negated, if you got that from naruto simply thinking the current Obito is cool, that's your problem.

I don't understand where you get the idea that Naruto has forgotten about his fallen comrades. The very fact that Naruto has gone out of his way to save Sakura, Kakashi and Obito despite Sasuke always edging him on to just forget about them completely thrashes your argument about Naruto forgetting his comrades because he got more power.

Why does Naruto have to defeat his enemies without showing any sign of pity? No one insulted Nagato right after Nagato used rinne tensei to revive the entire village, and the naruto back then was the one who had just learned the concept of forgiving the enemy for the sake of ending the cycle of hatred.


Why don't you think anyone can relate to Naruto? How long have you lived on earth? Have you seen the best the human race has to offer? have you walked in similar shoes to naruto?


What in the world? Of course Naruto's going to be the child of prophecy since he's the main character of the manga. That's like saying Naruto did everything because he's the main character of this manga and kishi gave him the ability to do them, you're just stating it has nothing to do with an in-universe argument. Neji asserted that you can't change destiny, Naruto is absolutely not the symbol of hardwork, he's he symbol of fighting for your comrades. Neji vs Lee was genius vs hardwork. And unless you believe that Naruto could have just sat on his butt or committed suicide in chapter 1 and would have still fulfilled the CoP, neji's statement is easily falsified.


So what if they aren't the same entity? You asserted that Naruto didn't work or train for his powers, Naruto did have to work for BM and KCM, being from a different entity means nothing. Who said that Naruto didn't have help with him gaining those modes? That's obviously part of Naruto's theme: not doing everything on your own. And if you want to nitpick, everyone had help with getting to where they are, so I don't see why any of that stuff has anything to do with Naruto not working hard to achieve his new powerups.

Hands down, Easily the best post I have read so far in this thread. + 1 rep

 

[take it easy]

I won't praise someone who had killed thousands and caused many other thousands of deaths and ruined many people's lives, including my own life. This someone had just returned to the good side like an hour ago, what he did after that couldn't compensate the crime he had done for so many years.

Sure he saved my life but he still couldn't get the apologies from those dead people, because they were already dead. They are probably cursing him in the afterlife, and that includes my mom Kushina and my friend Neji.

Other people whose life were ruined because of Obito and Akatsuki, Shikamaru and Ino and many others, many of them still surely haven't apologized him yet and hold a big grudge against him.

I have no right to praise this guy and calling him awesome, while thousands of people including the dead are still cursing him. I am being sensitive and considerate to those people.

so naruto not allowed to have an opinion ?

 

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Shit.... this took so looong



It is merged with Narutoshippudenworld's thread

Thread solo'd

By their logic Obito must've had a evil clone that did all the bad things instead of him.

Exactly. Doesn't matter if he's idealizing Kid Obito or not, it's still Obito

 

[Chubbypanda]

People there is good people and there is bad in those good people
There is bad people and then there is the good in those bad people

Obit was good and he went to the bad but he had good in him and he was able to come back to his old self. This is who naruto idolizes. He idolized the good in obito and the good obito

Nuff said