[Discussion] So Kisame is stronger

[sageofmyobokuzan]

why is everyone talking like the fight has already been decided???? remember when pain had naruto nailed to the ground?? ya what happened immediately after that? the 9-tails went apeshit on pains ass, oh and remember when kisame had a hole in his chest, just cause kb looks like he's in trouble now doesnt mean anythin guys, the fight aint over yet, we didnt even see how far samehada got kicked who to say it doesnt fly over and just eat kisame whole next chapter, all of you need to stop talking like the fight is decided, both of these characters have gotten owned at different points in the fight, and if you wanna get technical kb is stronger than kisame because kisame was using kb's chakra for like the whole last chapter

 

[Shunsui]

Kisame is a swordsman - so ofc hes not good without it.
take away Zoros 3 swords from OP anime and see how he will fight....

to ppl who blame that kisame is nobody without sword....rofl

 

[Archor]

Kisame is a swordsman - so ofc hes not good without it.
take away Zoros 3 swords from OP anime and see how he will fight....

to ppl who blame that kisame is nobody without sword....rofl

Though I don not totally disagree with you, you are missing the point:

Kisame hasn't shown much swordsmanship till now. Samehada fought Killebee. Samehada saved Kisame. Samehada stole BEE's chakra and gave it to Kisame and healed him( Probably kisame has this much Chakra because he kept stealing it. )

Then Samehada gets a stronger opponant and switchwes sides!!!

That makes people think that Kisame probably never fought anybody much stronger than him before- not with Samehada with him. He kept getting stronger with the stolen chakra pool and then beating some other ninja ( stronger than Kisame's previous opponant at best , but not now more powerful than Kisame at any given time) .

Naruto fought with Nagato without kyuubi initially and held him for some time. Sasuke fought the sound NInja during chunin exams and beat him. We have yet to see what Kisame can do if he loses his weapon- other than picking up enemy's sword and cut his leg. He may be as good as some of us wish- but the fight is still on and it looks like the Enca teacher might be the one to ward him off at the moment...

 

[Miggy69]

kisame is strong but i wouldnt say stronger cause bee was trying 2 save ponta

 

[Takeo]

kisame is strong but i wouldnt say stronger cause bee was trying 2 save ponta

I agree with this, Bee didnt actually lose, he just got sucker punched while he was trying to save a friend.

 

[kieran888]

I think the point is being missed here, Kisame's fighting style revolves around using Samehada. He naturally has massive chakra reserves, so he is probably still a big threat on his own. If he didn't have it then he'd probably fight in a different way.
and in a similar way, Killer Bee can utilise the eight-tails. Killer Bee only got taken down in that chapter because of Ponta and the teacher (whatever his name is). If they hadn;t been threatened then we don't know what would have happened. But seeing as Kisame used them to his advantage, i don't see why Killer Bee can't get saved by them. Fair is fair.

As for the power balance, Jiraiya was far stronger than people give him credit for. Pein himself stated that if Jiraiya had known about all 6 bodies from the start then he probably would have lost. Pein is possibly the strongest character yet, as he beat sage Naruto (who then got saved) Itachi is a contender for the spot with Susano'o, but it killed him to use that. Itachi knew what he was saying when he stated that Jiraiya was too strong for them. Kisame might be cunning, but I would place my money on Jiraiya if they ever fought. Although Itachi I think would win

 

[narutouchihakiller]

if samehada will join forces with KB...the couple's gona be abomination!!!!!!they will kill anyone(KB is a swordsman after all)but they won't be able to fuse though because of KB being a host and stuff...stilll samehada could be nice lethat weapon for KB

 

[KASTAWAY]

whether he wins this battle now samehada has betrayed him isnt important.

The point is kisame owned bee in a matter of 2 chapters, hell yeah kisames awesome.

I really hope samehada doesn't go though, im sure a lot of kisames strength is samehadas ability.

Also kisame knows samehada more than anyone, looks like samehada needs physical contact to take chakra, so hopefully kisame can get 8tails away fast enough, kicking samehada is obviously effective otherwise kisame wouldnt bother doing it. He knows his sword so he knows its weaknesses.

I dont think madara is going to enjoy kisames news though.

"i have the 8tails but now i dont have samehada".

Dare i say it but kisame is probably not akatsuki level without samehada, he himself has a buttload of chakra sure, but samehada gives him a massive edge.

8tails was useless against kisame, and the funny thing is this definitely wraps up whether kisame was being sarcastic about being scared of jiraiya.


Itachi & kisame vs jiraiya = jiraiya owned.

Kisame was definitely being sarcastic most of the time throughout naruto series, he is badass.

i am sorry to say, but i don't think we have been reading the same thing!!!!
Kisame is not stronger than bee. The only thing we have seen is the abilities of the sword not kisame. We have seen a death blow land on kisame and then healed by the sword. Bee has not taken any true damage yet, but the sword took his energy. Also the 8tails is useless against the sword not kisame

and he was right to be scared of j-man,

 

[KASTAWAY]

kisame obliterated killer bee. The only part that is even unclear is what killer bee is doing with his sword after he grabs kisame with his tentacles.

Still, kisame beat bee into unconsciousness without taking any damage. Honestly, kisame/itachi were an out of this world combination.

Why didn't madara obliterate konoha, again?

what are you talking about, he did not beat him to sleep, its because of lack of air and maybe low energy. The only person to take real damage was kisame, remeber his chest wide open blood coming from his mouth.

 

[Shodaime]

If kisame suck Jiraiya sage mode nature enegery he will definetely own kisame with is samehada by making them turn into a frog stone xd

 

[Regulus]

i am sorry to say, but i don't think we have been reading the same thing!!!!
Kisame is not stronger than bee. The only thing we have seen is the abilities of the sword not kisame. We have seen a death blow land on kisame and then healed by the sword. Bee has not taken any true damage yet, but the sword took his energy. Also the 8tails is useless against the sword not kisame

and he was right to be scared of j-man,

The weapon he uses is only as good as his abilities with it, if he was weaker the sword would not want him

 

[Regulus]

what are you talking about, he did not beat him to sleep, its because of lack of air and maybe low energy. The only person to take real damage was kisame, remeber his chest wide open blood coming from his mouth.

That is just Kisame's fighting style, you don't have to take damage to lose.

 

[Colo Uzumaki]

kisame is more of a close range fighter, but jiraiya was a mid range and close range
fighter. if jiraiya gets kisame in the toad stomach kisame cant win, kisame
will not be able to escape, the time that kisame escaped was thanks to itachi, another thing jiraiya was a earth element user which is stronger than water jutsus. Trump card sage mode, if samahada absorbs the nature chakra kisame or samahada will turn in to a frog stone.

Jiraiya got all the advantages here so sorry jiraiya ownedz kisame

 

[Naruto..]

Well IMO Kisame's fighting style relies to much on Shamada but i guess thats because he had Shamada for several years now and he probably doesn't feel the urge to dodge an attack since he will just use the chakra that he stool from his opponent to heal him self(and that would explain why he wouldn't doge since he wouldn't be using his own charka to heal him self he would be using the chakra of his oppoent) but if he lost Shamada I'm pretty sure his fighting style would change but ofc not right away since even the best shinobi need to practice in this chase get use to a new style.
J-man would win against Kisame.Just think about it this way they both would go into there most powerful states,right.So J-mans strongest state is Sage mode and Kisames is his fused form with Shamada.Kisame in that state can steal an opponents chakra by only touching him her with any part of his body so technically if he touched j-man for a longer period of time (for exp: grabbed hold of him) or touch him several times while exchanging fist he would indeed turn into a statue .

 

[Ebbs82]

I didn't wanna intervene too early because I wanted to see some other opinions first but has anyone considered that Samehada submits to the strongest fighter in the fight? Think about it. Kisame's raw power was probably always greater then anyone he fought (which could include 4 tails, Kisame's THAT strong). So in a way (non-literal sense) it's the judge. Suigetsu had the whole thing backwards about the sword. It's not that you have to kill Kisame to control the sword. You have to prove to the sword that you would beat it's current master (if the sword wasn't involved). I only say "if the sword wasn't involved" because Bee was (to the reader) losing, but had already proven he was stronger then Kisame. I hope that made sense, I didn't know another way to phrase it.

Anyway, no matter who wins the end result is valid. Whenever you use anything you have to take the good and the bad. I know Kisame never expected it to betray him but it was only a matter of time before the sword would find a new master. So if the sword's strength can help him win 99 times, he's gonna have to live with that same strength giving him 1 loss. So the sword leaving him is VERY important.

 

[Regulus]

I do not agree that Sage Mode is a valid arguement in Samehada's pawer because it has never been show what will happen when a sword would absorb it, the closest being Preta Path absorbing the chakra of Naruto. So until it is proven i feel it is not valid

 

[Ebbs82]

I do not agree that Sage Mode is a valid arguement in Samehada's pawer because it has never been show what will happen when a sword would absorb it, the closest being Preta Path absorbing the chakra of Naruto. So until it is proven i feel it is not valid

It's pretty cut and dry to me. Kisame would have to do everything in he power to keep Jiraiya from going into Sage Mode (which he might be able to do) but once he's in that mode there's nothing he can really do. The sword is a living creature, which means it would need the same training Naruto got before it would be free of those side effects, same with Kisame. So unless Kisame starts dipping himself and the sword in frog oil to train, it's kinda set in stone (no pun intended). Also, since Jiraiya is another chakra power house, there's no telling whether or not the sword would betray Kisame for Jiraiya. We've seen it happen once so you have to account for it being a possibility. I don't think Kisame wants to see Jiraiya in a fight. In fact, even if the sword didn't turn to stone, it could NEVER give the chakra to Kisame or Kisame dies. So the endurance in Kisame's game is gone and he's not fusing with the sword either. So that's gone. The water techs would beat Jiraiya's fire, but not the earth attacks. Toad>Shark

 

[Regulus]

It's pretty cut and dry to me. Kisame would have to do everything in he power to keep Jiraiya from going into Sage Mode (which he might be able to do) but once he's in that mode there's nothing he can really do. The sword is a living creature, which means it would need the same training Naruto got before it would be free of those side effects, same with Kisame. So unless Kisame starts dipping himself and the sword in frog oil to train, it's kinda set in stone (no pun intended). Also, since Jiraiya is another chakra power house, there's no telling whether or not the sword would betray Kisame for Jiraiya. We've seen it happen once so you have to account for it being a possibility. I don't think Kisame wants to see Jiraiya in a fight. In fact, even if the sword didn't turn to stone, it could NEVER give the chakra to Kisame or Kisame dies. So the endurance in Kisame's game is gone and he's not fusing with the sword either. So that's gone. The water techs would beat Jiraiya's fire, but not the earth attacks. Toad>Shark

We do not know how the sword interacts with chakra it absorbs, we know it can heal kisame. Jiraiya can't breathe underwater that i know off so he could drown or go inside a frog and use the trap he used on the summoning pain but if Kisame is also faster in the water so he could dodge and if he did jiraiya could not do anything without coming out of the frog. And we have no definite answer on what happens to Samehada if he absorbs Sage Mode chakra, there have been very few sages and even less of them have mastered it perfectly so the odds of Kisame coming in contact with them before is very unlikely and I don't think he will fight Naruto and until he does it is all SPECULATION, thats all it is until it is proven in the manga.

 

[EternalUchihaSasuke]

i was rooting for kisame in this battle but, now i want killerbee to live and the fact samehada betrays kisame sucks. kisame was too strong so kishi had to make a way for kisame to lose

 

[naturo9]

thanks to kishi he made this kisamehada vs kb in more than 2 chapter. but i guess the conclusion will be on the next chapter. is someone gonna be dead, captured, saved or draw? kisame has the upper hand at the last chapter, we didn't see much of a fight, we didn't see any other kisamehada and KB abilities besides, alittle sword fight, fusion, healing, chasing, absorbing, drowning and switching master. how come 7/8 tailed kb can't escape from the water? he is octopus with power of 8tailed vs kisamehada with approx power of 6 tailed? if kisame will win this fight, its abit odd.

imo, 4tailed naruto vs oro is a better fight?