[Discussion] So Kisame is stronger

[twistedlink]

of course we never saw kisame's full potential. you guys should know that by now. but saying that kisame is on jiraiya's level is still stupid. you guys seem to forget that sage chakra is infinite if you have both pa and ma frog. they CONSTANTLY gather nature's chakra as long as nature chakra exists. so kisame can swipe at jiraiya all he wants, jiraiya won't phase out of sage mode at all. and if kisame tries to trap jiraiya in water.....lol....he's only trapping himself. jiraiya is god at trapping poeple. he would just create a barrier ninjutsu inside the water and kill kisame just like how he did to the summoning pain. or toad mouth trap....or what have you.

jiraiya still beats itachi and kisame.

just because we saw kisame awesome abilities for the first time and they look "yay omg so cool(fanboyism)" doesn't mean he's as strong as everyone thinks he is. you guys don't really think killer bee is out of the fight yet do you?

Sage mode does not give infinite chakra.

For a start, you need to mix it 33.3% exactly with your physical and spiritual chakra.

Sage techs are based off mixing it with your own chakra supply, therefore sage mode simply gives you a big boost, not infinite.

Can people stop saying infinite chakra, the entire premise of infinite chakra is stupid, Kisame cleaned out 8tails' entire chakra within minutes, and 8tails has only a small amount less than 9tails.

second, absorbing chakra from a tech with natural chakra doesnt nessecarily mean it turns you into a frog.

For example J-mans super rasengan was huge, and contained sage chakra, yet pain absorbed it fine without turning.

How can you say that samehada betraying kisame isn't important?

Important in who won, it is important but my point is Kisame owned Bee.


People say its samehadas strength making Kisame as strong as he is.

Same with Naruto ans 9tails
same with Sasuke and Sharingan
Same with Itachi and Sharingan
Same with Kakashi and sharingan
Same with any character, they all have something increasing there strengths artificially external from there own power.


As to kisame getting killed, half true.

I think the only reason Kisame didnt dodge or avoid the attack is because he knew he could heal-FAST.


Hes had samehada for years, he doesnt need to dodge or parry.

Im sure without samehada he would have used tactics to dodge, rather than stand there and smile.


I still find it amazing that Jiraiya has fought orochimaru and only ever drew, nearly got killed against Naruto 4 tails (in which orochimaru survived) and Kisame can take out 8 tails single handedly in less than an hour and Itachi was meant to taker 9tails and STILL people think J man could win.

Fanboyism is so dreadful.

 

[Avani 🥈]

exactly .. Kisame would turn into frog against jiraya .. and even TSKYUMI wont work of jiraiya since ma and pa are channeling chakra into HIM .. just Like Bee vs sasugay !! ..

so itachi and kisame would be owned by jiraiya !!

Itachi told Kisame as much.

 

[Regulus]

nope... u take away hachibi and samehada and kisame was dead... if u take both trump cards one of the attacks of bees was gonna kill him... and the sword isn't his own power as such as it's a weapon rather than a mutualistic bond with the bijuu

how was he dead, the only time KB hurt him was with the help of the hachibi.. If you take away one persons trump card you have to take the other one. Without Samehada Kisame isn't that great, and withouth the Hachibi Killer Bee isn't that great. And i beg to differ that Samehada and Kisame don't have a Mutualistic bond. When in fact they do, and it's not just a weapon it is an animate object, it talks.Samehada is as much of Kisame as Hachibi is Killer Bee, Samehada is actually a part of Kisame, he fuses with it.

 

[Kawagiri]

how was he dead, the only time KB hurt him was with the help of the hachibi.. If you take away one persons trump card you have to take the other one. Without Samehada Kisame isn't that great, and withouth the Hachibi Killer Bee isn't that great. And i beg to differ that Samehada and Kisame don't have a Mutualistic bond. When in fact they do, and it's not just a weapon it is an animate object, it talks.Samehada is as much of Kisame as Hachibi is Killer Bee, Samehada is actually a part of Kisame, he fuses with it.

can samehade change who it wants to be with at will? yes... it doesn't need kisame to live, that is the point... hachibi needs bee... what i was saying is that samehada is a man-made source of power... a weapon... as all swords are... and where would be have killed kisame if it wasnt for samehada?

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and yes he fuses with it but it's not a part of him >.< unless someone shows me samehada was made by kisame i don't accept it as part of him like that...

i was making a point as the guy who made the post was talking about how kisame is going to win cause he pwned bee... even though samehada has gone now basically... so if u don't mind stop trying to be clever cos u failed at it... my points were perfectly valid U_U

 

[Avani 🥈]

Sage mode does not give infinite chakra.

For a start, you need to mix it 33.3% exactly with your physical and spiritual chakra.

Sage techs are based off mixing it with your own chakra supply, therefore sage mode simply gives you a big boost, not infinite.

And perfect ballance is what stops one from becoming a toad- we have no reason to assume that samehada and kisame have that skill and thus they will be toad the moment they soak enough of nature chakra- case closed.

Can people stop saying infinite chakra, the entire premise of infinite chakra is stupid, Kisame cleaned out 8tails' entire chakra within minutes, and 8tails has only a small amount less than 9tails.;

And where exactly did it say that 8 tails have only a small amount less than 9 tails? For all we know difference can be logrithmic.

Eight tailed Nruto was fighting Rinnegan- Kisame worked for Nagato ( he was the last one to find out Tobi's ID if I remember correctly)

absorbing chakra from a tech with natural chakra doesnt nessecarily mean it turns you into a frog.

Huh ? I didn't get what you mean here. what tech? who has it ?

mple J-mans super rasengan was huge, and contained sage chakra, yet pain absorbed it fine without turning.

Wrong example. Rasengan isn't supposed to turn anything, in the first place. It's a direct attack.

nt in who won, it is important but my point is Kisame owned Bee

People say its samehadas strength making Kisame as strong as he is.

Same with Naruto ans 9tails
same with Sasuke and Sharingan
Same with Itachi and Sharingan
Same with Kakashi and sharingan
Same with any character, they all have something increasing there strengths artificially external from there own power.

No- not the same.

Sharingan is not an external power- it's Uchiha DNA. Kyuubi is a part of Naruto- Naruto dies, Kyuubi dies. It';s not like Naruto, if he looses kyuubi, will pick Madara's sharingan and say let's us exchange our weapons.

Kisame getting killed, half true.

I think the only reason Kisame didnt dodge or avoid the attack is because he knew he could heal-FAST.

You are welcome to your opinion, but I have no reason to agree.

samehada for years, he doesnt need to dodge or parry.

Im sure without samehada he would have used tactics to dodge, rather than stand there and smile.

personally I don't find it a very smart move to stand still and get hurt, just because one can heal fast- it still hurts unless you are suggesting Kisame is into that kind of thing.

find it amazing that Jiraiya has fought orochimaru and only ever drew, nearly got killed against Naruto 4 tails (in which orochimaru survived) and Kisame can take out 8 tails single handedly in less than an hour and Itachi was meant to taker 9tails and STILL people think J man could win.

Fanboyism is so dreadful.

Jiraiya fought with Orochimaru drugged by Tsunade- what was surprising about the results?

Orochimaru survived 4 tails Naruto using his most powerful defence in the battle. He would have died if he hadn't run away. Jiraiya was caught by surprise to some extent- but he survived as well- even though he didn't have an skilled medical ninja like Kabuto at his side.

Fanboyism is dreadful indeed- Itachi was not sure if he could fight Jiraiya and win. Itachi was too good at assessing skill level of his opponant. Rest of the argument are mere speculations based on personal inclinations. Yet people assume that he was wrong.

 

[Kawagiri]

second, absorbing chakra from a tech with natural chakra doesnt nessecarily mean it turns you into a frog.

I think the only reason Kisame didnt dodge or avoid the attack is because he knew he could heal-FAST.

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that was pein's chakra absorber just like what samehada does... U_U

that's like saying... i'm wearing a bullet-proof vest... let's get shot at U_U

 

[Regulus]

can samehade change who it wants to be with at will? yes... it doesn't need kisame to live, that is the point... hachibi needs bee... what i was saying is that samehada is a man-made source of power... a weapon... as all swords are... and where would be have killed kisame if it wasnt for samehada?

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and yes he fuses with it but it's not a part of him >.< unless someone shows me samehada was made by kisame i don't accept it as part of him like that...

i was making a point as the guy who made the post was talking about how kisame is going to win cause he pwned bee... even though samehada has gone now basically... so if u don't mind stop trying to be clever cos u failed at it... my points were perfectly valid U_U

He could as easily dodged that insted of blocking, we also have reason the swords were made by Hashirama Senju using the tailed beasts. Don't know the exact manga but it is shown when Hashirama was fighting Madara. Fusing with the sword makes it part of him. And i couldn't care less.

Definition of part any of a number of more or less equal quantities that compose a whole or into which a whole is divided: Use two parts sugar to one part cocoa

And your just being a whiny brat by saying i fail, because my points are more valid then yours.

 

[Regulus]

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that was pein's chakra absorber just like what samehada does... U_U

that's like saying... i'm wearing a bullet-proof vest... let's get shot at U_U

When that happened to Jiraiya he was using a sage tech, what you showed was Naruto giving sage chakra directly to pain, wow how can someone be so dumb.

 

[zagubus]

yes, natural chakra turns those who can't control it into toads and then stone.... but that's with people. we don't know how samehada metabolizes chakra. sages gather chakra from the environment and store it to use in battle. it's storing the chakra that's the delicate part. samehada eats chakra and shits out stamina to it's wielder. HOLY SHIT!!!! what if naruto learns to merge with samehada and samehada gathers the natural chakra for naruto the way the toads did for J-man. that would solve the whole gathering while moving thing... that is IF 9-tails allows the merger.

 

[Kawagiri]

He could as easily dodged that insted of blocking, we also have reason the swords were made by Hashirama Senju using the tailed beasts. Don't know the exact manga but it is shown when Hashirama was fighting Madara. Fusing with the sword makes it part of him. And i couldn't care less.

Definition of part any of a number of more or less equal quantities that compose a whole or into which a whole is divided: Use two parts sugar to one part cocoa

And your just being a whiny brat by saying i fail, because my points are more valid then yours.

rofl now name calling eh XD

i know what a part is... if u have a sword... it's not a PART of you... it's just a tool...

and if the 1st did make the sword then it's the 1sts power not kisame... therefore proving my point more...

and do you really think he'd want to waste chakra by not dodging? (which he tried anyway as he got samehade to block one of the 2 blades)

that is why your argument fails... with people like you it's all speculation and trying to prove your better than someone... well i've got news for you... i could gladly see the back of you after today cos u started this not me U_U

you can't even grasp the simple concepts i am saying and that it is not his own power... he is lending power... it's samehada's victory not his.

 

[Ragnaroc]

He could as easily dodged that insted of blocking, we also have reason the swords were made by Hashirama Senju using the tailed beasts. Don't know the exact manga but it is shown when Hashirama was fighting Madara. Fusing with the sword makes it part of him. And i couldn't care less.

Definition of part any of a number of more or less equal quantities that compose a whole or into which a whole is divided: Use two parts sugar to one part cocoa

And your just being a whiny brat by saying i fail, because my points are more valid then yours.

actually, if it was part of kisame, the sword wouldn't have rejected him and joined with KB.

please refrain from calling other people names because they are expressing a different opinion from yours. You have been warned

When that happened to Jiraiya he was using a sage tech, what you showed was Naruto giving sage chakra directly to pain, wow how can someone be so dumb.

its still the same principle, natural chakra is injected into the opponent and unless they can control it it turns them into a frog.

and I'd appreciate it if you refrain from calling people dumb by expressing an opinion different from yours. You have been warned

 

[Regulus]

actually, if it was part of kisame, the sword wouldn't have rejected him and joined with KB.

please refrain from calling other people names because they are expressing a different opinion from yours. You have been warned

its still the same principle, natural chakra is injected into the opponent and unless they can control it it turns them into a frog.

and I'd appreciate it if you refrain from calling people dumb by expressing an opinion different from yours. You have been warned

I beg to differ absorbing a technique would be alot different then absorbing chakra

that doesnt prove there not part of each other, it proves Samehada also has its own free will.
EX: Someone can be PART of a band, then they leave the band. still he is/was part of the band

 

[Ragnaroc]

I beg to differ absorbing a technique would be alot different then absorbing chakra

you still absorb the chakra from the technique so its the same principle

 

[Kawagiri]

When that happened to Jiraiya he was using a sage tech, what you showed was Naruto giving sage chakra directly to pain, wow how can someone be so dumb.

it doesn't have to be a technique for samehade to absorb it... otherwise it wouldn't be absorbing the tails off bee... and u call me dumb? u dont think things through do u?

it could absorb the chakra out of naruto just like he did to the pein body U_U

 

[Regulus]

you still absorb the chakra from the technique so its the same principle

Wrong, when he absorbs the chakra his chakra isnt balanced for that, but when he absorbs a technique the chakra is already balanced

 

[Kawagiri]

Wrong, when he absorbs the chakra his chakra isnt balanced for that, but when he absorbs a technique the chakra is already balanced

read my post then drop it before u embarass yourself further... i got to get a shower before i go to snooker tonight U_U

 

[Regulus]

it doesn't have to be a technique for samehade to absorb it... otherwise it wouldn't be absorbing the tails off bee... and u call me dumb? u dont think things through do u?

it could absorb the chakra out of naruto just like he did to the pein body U_U

the tails are just chakra, plus i never said it had to be a technique i was just saying the difference between absorbing a technique and absorbing just chakra

 

[Regulus]

read my post then drop it before u embarass yourself further... i got to get a shower before i go to snooker tonight U_U

Embarras myself further? you haven't proved anything, all you did was state your FAIL opinions and you think your right and you won, do you have facts to back up anything you said.

 

[Ragnaroc]

Wrong, when he absorbs the chakra his chakra isnt balanced for that, but when he absorbs a technique the chakra is already balanced

the attack would be balanced, but as soon as the techniques jutsu's is absorbed it becomes unbalanced with the bodies chakra. anyways Jiraiya never tried to get Pain to absorb any of the natural chakra either through contact or jutsu's.

 

[Regulus]

the attack would be balanced, but as soon as the techniques jutsu's is absorbed it becomes unbalanced with the bodies chakra. anyways Jiraiya never tried to get Pain to absorb any of the natural chakra either through contact or jutsu's.

So why when he absorbed the tech he didn't transform, but when he absorbed the straight chakra he did?