So... Hiruzen vs Tsunade?

[Rainbow Dash]

Wow like if that tree branch was faster than Tsunade, Tsunade isn't "slow", he's average in speed, while Hiruzen showed against Orochimaru that his age is a problem when it comes to Taijutsu, in close combat Tsunade would dodge Hiruzen's atacks since she's faster than him, so no decapitating her with the stick. Also tsunade is stronger than enma the monkey, CQC is not the best option for Hiruzen.

That tree branch can out pace and overwhelm Bijuu Mode Naruto, so yeah the tree branch is slow alright.

Hiruzen (edo) has shown long distance travel speed on par with Tobirama and Hashirama, both who are at least 50 times faster than Tsunade. Tobirama and Hashirama is even faster than A. Edo Hiruzen hasn't shown any short bursts shunshin speed, but his sustainable speed makes up for it.

Show me a strength feat more impressive than pushing Kurama several hundred meters back.

 

[Draegod]

How does Hiruzen slice Tsunade when she's obviously faster than him? He wont touch her in CQC and if he goes to that category Tsunade can kill him with just one punch, while Hiruzen needs to cut her on a half and he doesn't have the tools for that (he ain't doing that with the stick because that thing wouldn't "cut" her, it would break her neck, and regeneration would fix that, also Hiruzen can't touch tsunade with taijutsu since she dodges all his atacks)

How is she faster then him? When he has shown better speed feats. She isnt even the speed type let alone speed fighter. He and Enma destroys her in close combat No dif, leagues above her it isnt even funny. She is a linear Fighter with predictable Combat. She uses Brute force not technique or any form of Martial Arts. Then You state he doesnt have the tools to cut her? Giant Shurikens! Do you even read the manga????? She isn't Breaking enma nor harming or hitting him. She has no counter to the Diamond Cage that will turn her to Lettuce (Kishi words).

Show me Tsunade dodging feats please! Even part one Kabuto made her look like a noob! Dafuq Out of here!

 

[EZQ]

That tree branch can out pace and overwhelm Bijuu Mode Naruto, so yeah the tree branch is slow alright.

Hiruzen (edo) has shown long distance travel speed on par with Tobirama and Hashirama, both who are at least 50 times faster than Tsunade. Tobirama and Hashirama is even faster than A. Edo Hiruzen hasn't shown any short bursts shunshin speed, but his sustainable speed makes up for it.

Show me a strength feat more impressive than pushing Kurama several hundred meters back.

LOL are you kidding me? The tree branch was not moving when Hiruzen broke it, of course Hiruzen can reach a steady target.

Hashirama is no way faster than A, and don't use that off panel feat of Hiruzen's speed, what could have happened is that Tobirama was the one using sunshin, Hiruzen and Hashirama were just travelling with him by touching him, that's why Tobirama said "your sunshin is better than mine fourth" because they were the only 2 using sunshin, the other two (hashi and hiru) were just travelling with Tobirama... Off pannel feats pfft if Hiruzen had that speed he wouldn't have get overwhelmed by the Jonnin level part 1 edos of hashirama and Tobirama.

Tsunade's strengt is not like "pushing back strenght", is more like a piercing one, she broke a susanoo with a punch, she send Manda to fly with one kick and if Hiruzen gets that he breaks all his bones.

 

[RicardoA]

1 - Hiruzen wins... Infinite elemental jutsu spam.
2 - Same as Nº1. The summons won't change a god damn thing.
3 - Sakura dies, then Tsunade dies with 0 chakra in her system, but Hiruzen will have to try harder.
4 - Shizune dies, then Sakura dies, then Tsunade dies, adding one more ninja that doesn't have firepower won't change nothing.

Bonus Scenario 5: The duo wins.

 

[Prince Charles]

Again, Too all the slow ones, He edited His post after I posted My response.

Hm....well doesnt change the fact hiruzen is fodder so its all gucci in my book

 

[Rainbow Dash]

LOL are you kidding me? The tree branch was not moving when Hiruzen broke it, of course Hiruzen can reach a steady target.

Hashirama is no way faster than A, and don't use that off panel feat of Hiruzen's speed, what could have happened is that Tobirama was the one using sunshin, Hiruzen and Hashirama were just travelling with him by touching him, that's why Tobirama said "your sunshin is better than mine fourth" because they were the only 2 using sunshin, the other two (hashi and hiru) were just travelling with Tobirama... Off pannel feats pfft if Hiruzen had that speed he wouldn't have get overwhelmed by the Jonnin level part 1 edos of hashirama and Tobirama.

Tsunade's strengt is not like "pushing back strenght", is more like a piercing one, she broke a susanoo with a punch, she send Manda to fly with one kick and if Hiruzen gets that he breaks all his bones.

Concession accepted. Tree branch is faster than Tsunade.

Hashirama could dodge the Kyuubi's bijuudama and PS slash from point blank range. That Bijuudama crossed an entire ocean range in only a few seconds. That bijuudama is also comparable to BM Naruto in terms of speed. A has nothing that suggests he can do the same considering he's getting tagged multiple times by chibi Shinsuusenju.

That's not an argument because that makes absolutely no sense. If Tobirama were holding on to them, that would only slow him down. You act as if Hashirama and Hiruzen; two hokages don't know how to use shunshin.

All that strength is useless if she can't even graze Hiruzen. Comparing Tsunade's speed to Hiruzen's speed is like comparing a Ferris Wheel to Superman.

You misspell a lot of words.

 

[Draegod]

Hm....well doesnt change the fact hiruzen is fodder so its all gucci in my book

Keep fighting the good fight bruh..

 

[EZQ]

How is she faster then him? When he has shown better speed feats. She isnt even the speed type let alone speed fighter. He and Enma destroys her in close combat No dif, leagues above her it isnt even funny. She is a linear Fighter with predictable Combat. She uses Brute force not technique or any form of Martial Arts. Then You state he doesnt have the tools to cut her? Giant Shurikens! Do you even read the manga????? She isn't Breaking enma nor harming or hitting him. She has no counter to the Diamond Cage that will turn her to Lettuce (Kishi words).

Show me Tsunade dodging feats please! Even part one Kabuto made her look like a noob! Dafuq Out of here!

Duude i had a wall of text prepared and my PC shut down.. oh well i'm gonna make a summary of what my arguments were:

1- Tsunade has decent speed feats against Madara, definitely better than Hiruzen's.

2- Enma doesn't do shit to Byakugo Tsunade, who can fight 2 susanos with legs at the same time

3- Shurikens lol. That is like the most fodder jutsu ever, Tsunade punches the Shurikens, her hands will regenerate.

4- Katsuyu. Bye Bye

 

[EZQ]

Concession accepted. Tree branch is faster than Tsunade.

Hashirama could dodge the Kyuubi's bijuudama and PS slash from point blank range. That Bijuudama crossed an entire ocean range in only a few seconds. That bijuudama is also comparable to BM Naruto in terms of speed. A has nothing that suggests he can do the same considering he's getting tagged multiple times by chibi Shinsuusenju.

That's not an argument because that makes absolutely no sense. If Tobirama were holding on to them, that would only slow him down. You act as if Hashirama and Hiruzen; two hokages don't know how to use shunshin.

All that strength is useless if she can't even graze Hiruzen. Comparing Tsunade's speed to Hiruzen's speed is like comparing a Ferris Wheel to Superman.

You misspell a lot of words.

Don't ignore my arguments, Tsunade > Tree branch, Tsunade > Hiruzen in speed

Hashirama didn't dodge those, he used Mokujin to tank them. That's reaction speed (anyways Ay dodged AMATERASU so GTFO)

Hiruzen's speed is none, he doesn't have ONE decent speed feat.

SORRY FOR MISSPELLING, I'M FROM ARGENTINA, ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Tsunade destroys this clown

 

[Draegod]

Duude i had a wall of text prepared and my PC shut down.. oh well i'm gonna make a summary of what my arguments were:

1- Tsunade has decent speed feats against Madara, definitely better than Hiruzen's.

2- Enma doesn't do shit to Byakugo Tsunade, who can fight 2 susanos with legs at the same time

3- Shurikens lol. That is like the most fodder jutsu ever, Tsunade punches the Shurikens, her hands will regenerate.

4- Katsuyu. Bye Bye

... Really?... That is your response... Im Done here! No point in waisting anymore time if you gonna make weak as responses like this one. Go hard or Go home! I been wanting to Break Dafuq'ing NOB on someone. I thought You were worthy... Got my hopes Up...

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Don't ignore my arguments, Tsunade > Tree branch, Tsunade > Hiruzen in speed

Hashirama didn't dodge those, he used Mokujin to tank them. That's reaction speed (anyways Ay dodged AMATERASU so GTFO)

Hiruzen's speed is none, he doesn't have ONE decent speed feat.

SORRY FOR MISSPELLING, I'M FROM ARGENTINA, ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE.

lmfao you're the one ignoring my arguments. You have absolutely no evidence that Tsunade is faster than a tree branch that tagged Bijuu Mode Naruto.

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Hashirama dodged this in mid-air, when it was no more than 5 meters from him.

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Crossed an entire fucking ocean in like 3 seconds. That's easily breaking the sound barrier.
And Hashirama dodged that level of velocity from close range.
Hashirama is faster than A.

Hebi Sasuke has dodged Amaterasu too, but does that mean he's as fast as A? Of course not. Sasuke was able to do so because he anticipated Amaterasu. Same thing goes for A.

Ignoring my argument again huh. You simply can't accept that fact that Hashirama and Hiruzen are comparable to Tobirama in long distance travel speed.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Duude i had a wall of text prepared and my PC shut down.. oh well i'm gonna make a summary of what my arguments were:

1- Tsunade has decent speed feats against Madara, definitely better than Hiruzen's.

2- Enma doesn't do shit to Byakugo Tsunade, who can fight 2 susanos with legs at the same time

3- Shurikens lol. That is like the most fodder jutsu ever, Tsunade punches the Shurikens, her hands will regenerate.

4- Katsuyu. Bye Bye

Lel ................

 

[Curse Mark]

trying hard I see.

If you want me to try hard, by all means.

 

[miromiro]

Tsunade alone or with her partners win all scenarios.

 

[EZQ]

lmfao you're the one ignoring my arguments. You have absolutely no evidence that tsunade is faster than a tree branch that tagged bijuu mode naruto.

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hashirama dodged this in mid-air, when it was no more than 5 meters from him.

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crossed an entire fucking ocean in like 3 seconds. That's easily breaking the sound barrier.
And hashirama dodged that level of velocity from close range.
Hashirama is faster than a.

Hebi sasuke has dodged amaterasu too, but does that mean he's as fast as a? Of course not. Sasuke was able to do so because he anticipated amaterasu. Same thing goes for a.

Ignoring my argument again huh. You simply can't accept that fact that hashirama and hiruzen are comparable to tobirama in long distance travel speed.

-the tree branch wasn't f*cking moving!!! It was steady!

-hashirama didn't dodge that, he tanked it with those rashomon gates, learn the difference between dodging and tanking!!

-hebi sasuke didn't dodge amaterasu, he used oral rebirth, and he "anticipated" it because he saw it before, ay by the other hand had never seen amaterasu in his life and still dodged it, he didn't "anticipate" it he just dodged it!

-long travelling speed doesn't mean sh*t in a battle, also what makes you think Tobirama (hailed as the fastest shinobi) would be just as fast as that old fart Hiruzen, it's an off panel feat, we don't know what really happened, and anyways if Hiruzen is on par with Tobirama in "long travelling speed" that doesn't mean he's as fast as him on battle.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Tsunade wank is real as hell in this thread. The only reason she could beat Hiruzen is because he has no real way to kill her, not because she'll overpower him.

-Hiruzen is far superior in CQC, if she comes at him, she gets shitted on and smacked around by Enma just like Orochimaru did, but worse. It doesn't help that her moves are predictable as hell. [

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] Her being able to regen from it doesn't mean she isn't going to get her ass whooped.

-Even if she's about to land a punch, Hiruzen simply blocks her fist with Enma and its all dandy.

Katsuyu gets an 5 beyond Bijuu sized elemental jutsu combo to her face and that's a wrap, so I don't know why people even begin to think its a factor here.

In fact he should be able to kill her, low-mid diff. The whole reason I always believed Tsunade would win is because Hiruzen would get outlasted due to Byakugo. She wasn't considered stronger than him in my book and she isn't now.

-Giant Shurikens should dismember her and a well placed one should bisect her.

-A Suiton+Raiton combo should not only electrocute her because of the water mixed with electricity, the Raiton bolts should also rip her apart given the Nature's properties, which is piercing for pretty much almost every offensive based Raiton ability.

-Doton should smash her considering all it is are large ass boulders being fired out at a high velocity and large volume. Unless we think Byakugo will let her heal from being a stain in the dirt.

-Using all these elements to hit her over and over again should cause her Byakugo chakra to run out very very quickly due to the sheer amount of chakra that will have to be wasted regenerating from his attacks, and since he's an Edo, he can use them indefinitely without worry of chakra levels.


Hiruzen shits on her, period. This is directed toward anyone who is delusional enough to think she has a chance.

 

[Draegod]

The Tsunade wank is real as hell in this thread. The only reason she could beat Hiruzen is because he has no real way to kill her, not because she'll overpower him.

-Hiruzen is far superior in CQC, if she comes at him, she gets shitted on and smacked around by Enma just like Orochimaru did, but worse. It doesn't help that her moves are predictable as hell. [

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] Her being able to regen from it doesn't mean she isn't going to get her ass whooped.

-Even if she's about to land a punch, Hiruzen simply blocks her fist with Enma and its all dandy.

Katsuyu gets an 5 beyond Bijuu sized elemental jutsu combo to her face and that's a wrap, so I don't know why people even begin to think its a factor here.

In fact he should be able to kill her, low-mid diff. The whole reason I always believed Tsunade would win is because Hiruzen would get outlasted due to Byakugo. She wasn't considered stronger than him in my book and she isn't now.

-Giant Shurikens should dismember her and a well placed one should bisect her.

-A Suiton+Raiton combo should not only electrocute her because of the water mixed with electricity, the Raiton bolts should also rip her apart given the Nature's properties, which is piercing for pretty much almost every offensive based Raiton ability.

-Doton should smash her considering all it is are large ass boulders being fired out at a high velocity and large volume. Unless we think Byakugo will let her heal from being a stain in the dirt.

-Using all these elements to hit her over and over again should cause her Byakugo chakra to run out very very quickly due to the sheer amount of chakra that will have to be wasted regenerating from his attacks, and since he's an Edo, he can use them indefinitely without worry of chakra levels.


Hiruzen shits on her, period. This is directed toward anyone who is delusional enough to think she has a chance.

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[AGoodBoy]

The Tsunade wank is real as hell in this thread. The only reason she could beat Hiruzen is because he has no real way to kill her, not because she'll overpower him.

-Hiruzen is far superior in CQC, if she comes at him, she gets shitted on and smacked around by Enma just like Orochimaru did, but worse. It doesn't help that her moves are predictable as hell. [

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] Her being able to regen from it doesn't mean she isn't going to get her ass whooped.

-Even if she's about to land a punch, Hiruzen simply blocks her fist with Enma and its all dandy.

Katsuyu gets an 5 beyond Bijuu sized elemental jutsu combo to her face and that's a wrap, so I don't know why people even begin to think its a factor here.

In fact he should be able to kill her, low-mid diff. The whole reason I always believed Tsunade would win is because Hiruzen would get outlasted due to Byakugo. She wasn't considered stronger than him in my book and she isn't now.

-Giant Shurikens should dismember her and a well placed one should bisect her.

-A Suiton+Raiton combo should not only electrocute her because of the water mixed with electricity, the Raiton bolts should also rip her apart given the Nature's properties, which is piercing for pretty much almost every offensive based Raiton ability.

-Doton should smash her considering all it is are large ass boulders being fired out at a high velocity and large volume. Unless we think Byakugo will let her heal from being a stain in the dirt.

-Using all these elements to hit her over and over again should cause her Byakugo chakra to run out very very quickly due to the sheer amount of chakra that will have to be wasted regenerating from his attacks, and since he's an Edo, he can use them indefinitely without worry of chakra levels.


Hiruzen shits on her, period. This is directed toward anyone who is delusional enough to think she has a chance.

enma cage + dragon flame bomb. Byakugo falls after a few shots. Doubt she's breaking diamond hard cage Zzz

 

[Strict]

Byakugo lasts long. And Tsunade can crush the ground if Hiruzen cages himself. She won't let Hiruzen to attack her several times without counter attacking.