So basically, Sasuke wants to kill the innocent for the sake of symbolism?!

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You seem to honestly believe that Sasuke will be able to be the common enemy and the great leader at once. Which is way way harder if not impossible compared to people not deciding to kill each other anymore as they were brother in arms and bled for each other. Not to mention there would be plenty of enemies after counting in the various missing nins and criminal gangs.

I never said Sasuke will be able to be said common enemy; just that it's very unlikely for them to maintain an alliance without one. Thus, Ōnoki's plan (or Naruto's, if he does indeed adopt it) is as impractical as Sasuke's.
 

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Alliance i Alliance.Any of the leader who will fell like their Village is in a neglected will revolt

Maybe thats why we will need leaders who are not willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. That kind of attitude will always cause problem no matter the system.

@bolded dats Bull$#!t i have many fav char for whom i read the Manga Naruto included :coffee:

Your NV history knowledge seemed to be lacking.


i nvr said dat :|

So dont bring up points that are futile to discuss.

Errrm how exactly is naruto responsible for it? Obito is the one to unite nations as he was the threat, naruto was sent looking after pets and train KCM.

Errrm so what? There is still a plan, the Gokage are willing to make up for the mistakes of the past, there is still plans for making the alliance permanent and birthing a new system.

I never said Sasuke will be able to be said common enemy; just that it's very unlikely for them to maintain an alliance without one. Thus, Ōnoki's plan (or Naruto's, if he does indeed adopt it) is as impractical as Sasuke's.

But it is more likely to actually work ..... In Hashirama's time nearly all Clans were looking for a chance to shove a Kunai up the behind of any other clan, the Village system brought peace and alliance between multiple clans and despite the imperfection of the system things got better ... Similarly A united alliance system might also bring the violence down quite a bit. No system can ever be perfect but things can be improved. Sasuke's plan is honestly short sighted and learned nothing from Itachi (Cant really blame him though ... he made up his mind hardly a day ago and didnt have any chance to consider the tit bits)

PS I seem to remember that the Biju are actually immortal they just respawn after a time when they are killed .... Seems like both Naruto and Sasuke is unaware of that.
 
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Maybe thats why we will need leaders who are not willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. That kind of attitude will always cause problem no matter the system.
They system creates the leaders who keeps clinging up to past


Your NV history knowledge seemed to be lacking.

About second Raikage and Tobirama or Konaha and Suna in Part 1

So dont bring up points that are futile to discuss.

go read my previous before making BS statements first.I defending Sasuke thats from OP's points
 

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I am in no mood to type things I have already said, so I am just copy pasting relevant posts:

Post 1: I have been saying this since ages - the kages need to be put in the graves, their systems abolished for the future to have a fighting chance. It's only now that the manga has head down this path. Hence, I fully support Sasuke's stance on this. Naruto cannot guarantee the future, no one can. If the system is over-hauled, with these relics of the past gone, then there can be a modicum of credibility to the notion of peace.

These dictators who didn't lose any opportunity to take part in mass slaughters, left human shambles, orphans, destruction in their wake through three great ninja wars, breached treaties, even used terrorism against their own people just so the countries wouldn't dry their funds are like the people you listed? You must be joking.

Also, they are not world leaders, nor are the equivalent to one. The Kage title is given to the military dictator of only 5 of the strongest villages. The rest of the world still exists beyond this limited compass. The countries leaders are the actual rulers of as this present shinobi alliance couldn't even be formed without their approval.

Post 2: Considering the fact that they follow their orders and take part in their grand, lofty, and downright humane escapades ... I have no idea what your point is here. How would they not know their own military technocrats' political leanings, as Jounin and Chunin class missions are directly authorized by the Hokage or any kage for that matter? This is a self-serving point, not backed by the manga at all.

What? That's preposterous. The leader carried out random incursions through ninjas and I doubt he went to Konoha himself to poke out Hinata's eye-balls. Not to mention that we have Ao's example, who is a supposed upstanding citizen of Hidden Mist, despite the Byakugan he stole. You think 98% of the village, which is mostly populated by military based clans, have no clue how he procured it, or how Ae was carrying out cross-border terrorism without his Jounins being privy to this information? You must be joking.

Comparing Obama - a democratically elected leader - to a militia faction with its own dictatorial set-up, along with an implication that any Kage is somehow a world leader isn't helping your case. No, it doesn't apply to NV. Hidden Rain was crippled and economically destabilized by the three great wars. They were content as citizens with Pein leading their village and that their village was finally flourishing. Yet Konha meddled again, destroying their leadership that had finally stabilized the village. Let's not glorify Jiriaya or Konoha's incursions just because we feel like it. Do you think Hidden Rain would not applaud Sasuke for his actions? These villages don't make the world - just a measly little portion of it.

Also, you must be delusional, no offense, if you believe the entire world sees America in a nice, bright light. I have no clue where you have been travelling, but where I live, people want to eradicate America off the face of the planet for the misery it has caused them. Can't say I blame them.
 
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lets say i hate my next door neighbor and he hates me back as well , but then some guy moves in across the street and both of us hate him more than we hate each other. does that mean that the two of us are just going to forget that we hate each other ? of course not because that's not how human sociality works.

sasuke's "solution" is unacceptable for at least 2 main reasons
1. it is extremely temporary because its pretty much limited to his lifespan which is virtually no more than 80 years
2.At its best all it can achieve is unity and unity and peace are two entirely different concepts
Untiy - the state of being united or joined as a whole.
Peace- freedom from or the cessation of war or violence.
 
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