So basically, Sasuke wants to kill the innocent for the sake of symbolism?!

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Sasuke wants to eliminate the past as he said today. Now we know that he can't literally do that, so the only other option is symbolically. Apart of eliminating the past consists of killing the 5 Kages according to Sasuke. This includes Gaara who logically couldn't have been at all responsible for the world's past conflicts considering that he wasn't even born! This includes Tsunade who wasn't even a kage during the past conflicts and therefore had no political power. This includes Mei who is young as well and probably wasn't a kage either. (Onoki and Ay are the only exceptions). Other than those two, the rest of the Kages are innocent.

Yet Sasuke wants to kill them so that he can symbollically eliminate the past?!!!

Even if he kills them so that there are no political figures to get in his way of taking over the world, it all ends once Sasuke dies and the world goes back to fighting! The infinite tsukuyomi is permanent!

Then there are also the bijuus. The innocent bijuus who only ever attacked when they were either being controlled or when shinobi came and attacked/provoked them first! Just for the sake of symbolism?!

Even if you argue that the nations have fought wars over the bijuus, eliminating the bijuus still won't stop the nations from fighting over land, natural resources, forbidden jutsus, kekkei genkai (such as the Hyuuga's byakugan during the Hyuuga affair), money, etc... Let us not forget that the Naruto world still does have real world issues (as evidenced by the first Kazekage asking Hashirama for some of Konoha's valuable land). Therefore, all that killing the bijuus will accomplish is killing 9 innocent creatures!

If you argue that killing them would prevent infinite tsukuyomi from ever happening again, he could also destroy his own rinnegan and then seal himself up forever so that nobody can gain access to Indra's chakara and obtain the rinnegan and summon the mazou and revive the juubi. Sacrificing yourself is a lot nobler than sacrificing other innocent people.

Yet Sasuke wants to kill the innocent just for symbolism?!

Sasuke also wants to kill Naruto just because he considers Naruto a friend?! Once again, that is just killing a innocent guy for the sake of symbolism!

Finally (and the worst part of all), Sasuke is just like Naruto in that he has no actual solution to the world's problems!! He just said in today's chapter, "I will bear all the hatred alone and come up with solutions to the world's problems".

Ever since the Pain arc, Naruto has been saying stuff like "I'll bear the burden and find a way to peace". That is basically the same thing that Sasuke is saying except Sasuke wants to do it alone. That is the only difference (that and the fact that Naruto's version doesn't involve killing the innocent for symbolism).

Both of them keep saying "I will find a way" basically. That means that they don't really have definitive solutions! Now they are only 17, so that is fine, or at least it would be fine if you weren't planning on killing innocent people for the sake of a peace that you don't even have a definitive strategy to obtain! Symbolism alone will not bring peace no matter how much "eliminating the past" you do.

Imagine if someone came to you and said, "let me kill you so that I can cure all diseases". You may ask, "How will killing me help cure all diseases?". Then they say, "I don't know, but I will think of a way in which it helps".

Would that really sound logical or acceptable to you?

Conclusion: Sasuke is planning on killing the innocent for the sake of symbolism and a peace that he has no definitive strategy to obtain!

P.S. Before anyone goes shouting out "Naruto doesn't have a plan either" or something like that, I already stated this within the thread (so don't call me a Sasuke hated or a Naruto fanboy).
 

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you have made some interesting points
 

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Except it is not symbolism; by murdering the Kage and obliterating the Tailed Beasts, he is effectively putting an end to the current system of the world.
 

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His plans are to kill the Five Kage, destroy the villages as they stand and rebuild anew.

Something that consecrates unity amongst shinobi, which in reality, is better than relying on one person to keep the peace, when inevitably, he will die and even in life, criminals that arise could create rifts by attacking shinobi from other villages.

But this NV, after all.
 

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Except it is not symbolism; by murdering the Kage and obliterating the Tailed Beasts, he is effectively putting an end to the current system of the world.

No he is not. Most of the Kages haven't started any problems to begin with so killing them would solve nothing and killing the bijuus solves nothing as well. Reread the OP (the first 3 or 4 paragraphs).
 

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His plans are to kill the Five Kage, destroy the villages as they stand and rebuild anew.

Something that consecrates unity amongst shinobi, which in reality, is better than relying on one person to keep the peace, when inevitably, he will die and even in life, criminals that arise could create rifts by attacking shinobi from other villages.

But this NV, after all.


What he said.
 

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No he is not. Most of the Kages haven't started any problems to begin with so killing them would solve nothing and killing the bijuus solves nothing as well. Reread the OP (the first 3 or 4 paragraphs).

Killing the bijuus certainly wouldn't allow anyone to uses them as mass destruction.

Biju who committed mass murders are never innocent. Even so6p says nine tails is the embodiment of hatred. And we all saw part one one tail is a bloodthirsty psychopath
 

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Basically, sasuke wants murder for a hypothetical solution.
 

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No he is not. Most of the Kages haven't started any problems to begin with so killing them would solve nothing and killing the bijuus solves nothing as well. Reread the OP (the first 3 or 4 paragraphs).
One was a psychopathic killer,another knowingly used Akatsuki for his own ends,and one ordered the kidnapping of a Hyuuga that lead to Neji's father dying.
 

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what he said

It is symbolism. Killing the bijuus solves nothing when there are other issues to fight wars over such as forbidden jutsus, kekkei genkais, land, money, etc... Most of the Kages haven't even caused any problems, so killing them solves nothing. Killing Naruto solves nothing. Sasuke still hasn't stated a definitive plan like Hagoromo's ninshuu, Madara's infinite tsukuyomi or even Nagato's bijuu weapon. He has just said, "I will bear the hatred and come up with solutions". That is not an actual plan. That is just saying that you'll think of something.

And of course he is not literally eliminating the past, for that would require going back in time and stopping the universe's creation and even that would bring about space time paradoxes. Therefore, it is symbolism.
 

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Considering Sasuke's speech today, his reason to eliminate Bijuus(Embodiment and Target of Hatred) seems justified [even though I don't acknowledge it]...

But why Kages??? Just what have they done that would make people hate them instead of Sasuke because it seems that's how he wants???
 

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Considering Sasuke's speech today, his reason to eliminate Bijuus(Embodiment and Target of Hatred) seems justified [even though I don't acknowledge it]...

But why Kages??? Just what have they done that would make people hate them instead of Sasuke because it seems that's how he wants???

Two of the kages were war mongers who constantly plotted to invade other villages.
 

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No he is not. Most of the Kages haven't started any problems to begin with so killing them would solve nothing and killing the bijuus solves nothing as well. Reread the OP (the first 3 or 4 paragraphs).

The reigning Kage may not have started any problems, but they are collectively a part of the biggest one. Their mere existence perpetuates the defective system of the Shinobi world.

Daimyos still exist.

From what we've seen, the Daimyo are a bunch of senile buffoons who are "great lords" in name alone. They are hardly worth noting.
 
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Killing the bijuus certainly wouldn't allow anyone to uses them as mass destruction.

Biju who committed mass murders are never innocent. Even so6p says nine tails is the embodiment of hatred. And we all saw part one one tail is a bloodthirsty psychopath

They are innocent when the people they killed were the people who started attacking them first. Kurama was only an embodiment of hatred because humanity treated him so poorly. Other murders were the result of people controlling the bijuus like Madara and Obito. It is humanity that is at fault. Not the bijuus. Therefore, fixing humanity would solve something. Killing bijuus would not.

One was a psychopathic killer,another knowingly used Akatsuki for his own ends,and one ordered the kidnapping of a Hyuuga that lead to Neji's father dying.

That is why I said most of them (referring to the current 5 Kages that is). What did Gaara do? What did Tsunade do? What did Mei do?
 

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One was a psychopathic killer,another knowingly used Akatsuki for his own ends,and one ordered the kidnapping of a Hyuuga that lead to Neji's father dying.

No kages r innocent they haven't done anything wrong
the one dat ordered kidnapping of hyuga and his village kidnapping of kushina got butthurt over 9000 for his brothers kidnapping drama
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The reigning Kage may not have started any problems, but they are part of the biggest one. Their mere existence perpetuates the defective system of the world..

The previous Kages that did start the problems are dead at this point. Everybody is an individual, so the current kages' existences is not linked to the folly of their predecessors and therefore the problems of the world can not be attributed to them.
 

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It is symbolism. Killing the bijuus solves nothing when there are other issues to fight wars over such as forbidden jutsus, kekkei genkais, land, money, etc... Most of the Kages haven't even caused any problems, so killing them solves nothing. Killing Naruto solves nothing. Sasuke still hasn't stated a definitive plan like Hagoromo's ninshuu, Madara's infinite tsukuyomi or even Nagato's bijuu weapon. He has just said, "I will bear the hatred and come up with solutions". That is not an actual plan. That is just saying that you'll think of something.

And of course he is not literally eliminating the past, for that would require going back in time and stopping the universe's creation and even that would bring about space time paradoxes. Therefore, it is symbolism.
The same Ninshuu dat no one uses even Ashura's transmigrants use Ninjutsu dat Hagoromo despised
yeh hid away in Dreamworld
what Nagato said was the best
and this post
His plans are to kill the Five Kage, destroy the villages as they stand and rebuild anew.

Something that consecrates unity amongst shinobi, which in reality, is better than relying on one person to keep the peace, when inevitably, he will die and even in life, criminals that arise could create rifts by attacking shinobi from other villages.

But this NV, after all.

The previous Kages that did start the problems are dead at this point. Everybody is an individual, so the current kages' existences is not linked to the folly of their predecessors and therefore the problems of the world can not be attributed to them.
Every Kage is Sucking there predecessors so called Will of Bull$#!t pretty hard :|
 
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