[Spoilers] so apparently Madara knows a lot about the edo tensei

[Gooner4life]

what kind of idiot who will tell his ultimate jutsu secret to his enemy ?

Exactly. The technique was in a rudimentary form too. Did Madara know he was going to be resurrected. I mean he can pull knowledge of a secret technique 3 people knew how to use out of thin air so it makes sense that he can see the future too. xd Kishi has made him seem like some sort of all-knowing god

 

[Honord Sage]

what kind of idiot who will tell his ultimate jutsu secret to his enemy ?

Secrets are the harder things to keep, Or have you ben sleeping your hole life? A Bomb was created in the USA, yet the Russians got the secret for themselves. History is full of broken secrets and more will come in the future. Secrets come out with time.

 

[Gatsuuga]

Or Tobirama used the Edo tensei in battle. The Uchiha specialise in copying hand seals after all. That or as a peace offering to show the village was united, the clans gave open access to most of there info, which may have included forbidden techniques used by th Senju/ Uchiha

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

It doesn't mean he necessarily told Madara anything. Madara could have simply observed the hand signal as Sasuke did in the chapter before.

so that's mean madara is extremely smart to figure out that kinda of things ?
orochimaru/kabuto who has bee studied the edo tensei for years don't have any clue about that, i don't really think that just with him observe the hand sign can tell so much about the jutsu itself especially a jutsu like edo tensei

Secrets are the harder things to keep, Or have you ben sleeping your hole life? A Bomb was created in the USA, yet the Russians got the secret for themselves. History is full of broken secrets and more will come in the future. Secrets come out with time.

i didn't know that bomb is the same thing like edo tensei in the narutoverse,
one does not simply learn about the edo tensei biggest risk

 

[The Nerdy Bandito]

only problem with the theory is that if Tobirama, knew had to, how come he did not do the same when Orochimaru summoned the 2 first hokages?? - unless you're right he is evil and wanted the third to die, but still i would figure he would try to release himself when he was be sealed

Tobirama created the jutsu, then it was apparently perfected by Orochimaru, and know Kabuto claims to have mastered it to a degree even higher than them... i have no clue how madara knew and tobirama/kabuto didnt... maybe oro did and told him and kabuto never knew..

 

[Honord Sage]

so that's mean madara is extremely smart to figure out that kinda of things ?
orochimaru/kabuto who has bee studied the edo tensei for years don't have any clue about that, i don't really think that just with him observe the hand sign can tell so much about the jutsu itself especially a jutsu like edo tensei



i didn't know that bomb is the same thing like edo tensei in the narutoverse,
one does not simply learn about the edo tensei biggest risk

Secrets don't stay secrets for long thats the point,sooner or later their revealed.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Secrets don't stay secrets for long thats the point,sooner or later their revealed.

i know, but the questions is how was that secret is revealed...........

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

We all knew Madara was staying, but he could have explained it better than that, not use some arsepull plot device that makes Madara seem omniscient as well as all-powerful

I agree it does make Madara now seem omniscent, because well in essence it is just like he said...He might as well be a lifeless THEREFORE UNLIMITED CHAKRA human/shinobi/Edo/Whatever you want to call him.

I don't know why people are acting so surprised, When Madara was first brought back he gave us the next 20 or so chapters. I'll start with this:

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I have pointed this out on several threads before. Edo-Madara clearly KNOWS the original intentions behind Edo-Tensei/Re-Animation Jutsu. Yes we might know it as Tobirama's invention, but it doesn't mean he was the first to use such a jutsu. That Quote is plain and simple: "Of Course...The Impure World Resurrection Was Originally Intended To Be Used To Wipe The Map Clean, Along With The Caster.......We'll Be Regenerated Soon Enough." Either way one want's to look at this quote, they cannot deny 2 truths: 1 - Madara knew about Edo-Tensei before hand and (Most Importantly), 2 - Madara planned for this to happen since he was first revived.

Just to shed some light on those posters saying there is no way Madara could have known about Edo-Tensei. Itachi from the beginning had a plan and a course of action to fight Kabuto, the Edo-Tensei User. More importantly or rather the most important aspect of that is Itachi says to Sasuke before they even fight Kabuto to make sure NOT TO KILL HIM. Itachi could have learned this from who?

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Orochimaru. That is the only HIS on that page. I can sit here and make up a giant theory tying all of them together, but I have to get ready for work soon, so I will just continue on:

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As we all know (and is evidence in the page above), Kabuto and/or Orochimaru beefed up Madara/Edo-Madara. Whether it was with more Hashi DNA or knowledge such as how to use THE NECESSARY SEAL to Release the Edo-Tensei Contract. Which brings me to my next point. We can look at this point from several different angles but I am going to use and tie together the 2 most logical ones. If this were "any ol' seal" I don't think ITACHI would have let himself go. He knew the Seal obviously, so this brings me back to my original point that Madara might as well have created Edo-Tensei/Summoning: Impure World Resurrection because I don't think anyone knows it quite like him. (And like I said before 99.9% of this board knew Edo-Madara wasn't just going to disappear like that but I think Kishi kind of hinted at something like this happening a long time ago so to say he "could have explained it better than that," while I do somewhat agree, I don't think this should come as such a Plot no Jutsu blow as some of the other things he has come up with recently."

It doesn't mean he necessarily told Madara anything. Madara could have simply observed the hand signal as Sasuke did in the chapter before.

Yeah, like I wrote above, there are a ton of ways Edo-Madara could have learned the seal, but where I think your statement is flawed is at the very end of the chapter. Edo-Madara (or maybe Madara at this point) comes out and says "TELL THE ONE WHO SUMMONED IT...YOU SHOULDN'T CARELESSLY USE FORBIDDEN JUTSU." So I don't think this is some ordinary hand seal/signal whatever you want to call it. I think this is something that Madara could have learned through Hashi's DNA or even the Senju themselves. Madara did EXACTLY what Itachi did with Kotoamatsukami to let himself out of Edo-Tensei + what Minato did to Tobi with the Kyuubi. For what Edo-Madara/Madara claimed to do was break the summoning contract between himself and Kabuto.

I am already rushing for work while still writing this so I apologize if I contradicted myself in anyway or wrote anything that didn't make sense. When I get home I shall take a look at this and Edit and/or answer any questions.

P.S. - One quick note: I feel a Dead Demon Consuming Seal coming in shortly or maybe at the end xd

P.P.S. - Second quick note: I forgot to add this above but:

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I feel like Akatsuki with Orochimaru/Itachi/Nagato, etc... all tried multiple experiments on Madara behind Tobi's back? It might sound weird but maybe it's my procrastinating mind thinking too much when I should be at work already

 

[DrPotato]

may i ask u to link this here? i think it would be awesomely complement my theory

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[siyo]

just like the tittle said Madara knows a lot about the edo tensei, and the one who created the edo tensei is tobirama senju, so what's the meaning of this ?
the relation between the uchiha and senju were never been good as far as we know,

so why madara knows a lot about this kinda stuff ? am pretty sure as a senju, tobirama who has been restrict the uchiha movement by created the uchiha police force to keep them in check after madara so called demise, will never told this kinda secret to his brother and clan greatest nemesis,

so the only plausible explanation for this thing is, tobirama perhaps have a disagreement with his brother and chose to take madara side and tell him everything about the senju and his ultimate forbidden jutsu, thus is why madara know about how valuable hashirama DNA is and plotting everything that has been ongoing right know,

i mean even kabuto who has been following orochimaru for years and learn that jutsu don't even know about the 1 risk that madara mention in the latest chapter, and am sure that kinda secret information can only be learn straight from the jutsu creator not from half asset scroll that orochimaru stole from konoha.

so what you think about this plot shield that kishi use to prolong madara appearance ?

Nah, I don't think Tobirama would betray his brother like that (unless he was evil ).

Tobirama, probably, had invented the technique much earlier than we thought, and he must have used Edo tensei in one of the countless battles with the Uchiha.

Remember the sharingan can read everything.

 

[psukkar]

well i like the fact madara is still here it was needeed badly.

As for how kishi did it, I think it shows that the senju and uchiha miust have had some allaince period or that tobrirama used this jutsu alot in his hay day.

Maybe one summon back in the day accidently released himself doing the seal sequence.

Its all good for now plot wise, kishi hasnt gone mad. All in due to time boys/girls this manga just went into overdrive, also sasuke I feel maybe almost get killed by madara after tobi is done with him. OR madara may try and get him on his side to fight his cause, u know madara and sasuke are both bortherless.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Nah, I don't think Tobirama would betray his brother like that (unless he was evil ).

Tobirama, probably, had invented the technique much earlier than we thought, and he must have used Edo tensei in one of the countless battles with the Uchiha.

Remember the sharingan can read everything.

but the sharingan can't read the jutsu biggest risk and that's not imply in the hand sign its imply on tobirama memory/minds, or maybe he troll tobirama with genjutsu:shrug:

 

[The Eye]

or he used his sharigan to copy the seals

 

[siyo]

but the sharingan can't read the jutsu biggest risk and that's not imply in the hand sign its imply on tobirama memory/minds, or maybe he troll tobirama with genjutsu:shrug:

Good point, but you're assuming that Madara didn't see another shinobi-summoned by Tobirama- release the jutsu. Someone close to Tobirama, who knew the handseals, might have escaped the jutsu (perhaps that person even had permission from the Hokage).

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

It has to be tobimaru because he is the only person who knew how to do edo tensei in madara's time.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Good point, but you're assuming that Madara didn't see another shinobi-summoned by Tobirama- release the jutsu. Someone close to Tobirama, who knew the handseals, might have escaped the jutsu (perhaps that person even had permission from the Hokage).

that would be the greatest blunder by tobirama, he should have check his surrounding:sy:

 

[siyo]

that would be the greatest blunder by tobirama, he should have check his surrounding:sy:

If he gave permission, yes, but he can't control other people's actions.


Btw, I think this is a massive retcon because Tobirama had escaped when Orochimaro first summone him, and Madara wouldn't wait until the last second to get out of the jutsu's control.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

well perhaps there not enough time for tobirama since oro immediately put the tailsmen :shrug: