1. By rip off, I didn't exactly of mean, that it actually ripped the idea. I mean that it has all been done before and far better. Large Monsters as the villains for Manga has been done countless times. Brainless creatures of destruction has too. The characters and "dark" environment are all ripped from better series, nuff said.
2. Everything you mentioned literally screams "generic", there. Under-written. You're not supposed to feel or build up emotions so early on, especially to use such things a plot device for the characters drive, quota his mom dying to a titan. In fact, it's not even senseless build-up like naruto, it's just beyond unnecessary and terrible writing.
3. As for desperation as you stated, that does not count in even the slightest. You aren't supposed to feel for characters that have had little to no development. How could eren have NOT been the MC, and even so this is purely irrelevant to any type of argument you can have backing the series whatsoever! It's literally centered in his POV, how more obvious can it of get? And you're just doing as you said, recapping. Nothing you stated backs it's mediocrcy. It's not deep, development and it doesn't make it good, it's just the story progressing as that is what stories do. Nothing about what you mentions gives off tension or any type of backlash to the watcher/reader.
3. LOL. Comparing it to Cowboy Bepop, please don't even. Cowboy Bepop is one of the best anime of all time. The Pacing doesn't have to do with the plot, just how the story flows, and if it the writing was structured, it would be far better. "Man Kind cant sit and wait" is an excuse. Doesn't change a loss so early on and desperate how fast the story goes. There was a ****ing timeskip for gods sake. It is not paced at ALL.
4. Consistently kills of people like AOT? Ok, here's an example: Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni, one of the finest anime ever invented, people are killed left and right and the tension builds and resets for it to start over again. AOT has failed to do this, then again here is nearly no anime that will reach the level of the original higurashi.
5. You haven't done so either, ROFLMFAO! I of proved that you are a phony, who contradicts himself 24/7, amirite, LOL!
6. Yes, you can. That is why shounen are mediocre.
7. This is not a comparison, and the only arc in fairy tail I have picked up was the tourney arc (yes, I understood what went on) and it was shit, LOL! I never stated I predicted of, several events, no, yes? I said that the majority is predictable by those with basic knowledge of how shounen work. Predicting eren would become a Titan/Human mix/Titan Shifter was very predictable. Predicting he would "die", wouldn't. However if you fail to believe anyone knew he wasn't dead, you are beyond incapable of comprehending anything!
8. No anime of the quality tier lack emotions. Some, like SNK try to force emotions upon characters and the viewer, but due to bad writing easily fail at it. Feeling for a character so early on is impossible, especially with the forced emotions they have been put upon and the forced story that slaughters any type of "personality".
Please avoid further humiliation. Your defeat has already been marked thus replying, nuff said, /endof.
1. I didn't realize this was a competition. Forums are places of free flow discussion... Not really competition so I can't help, but feel nothing.
Anyways, I don't exactly understand how your claim for they are ripping off a theme. Just because big people are bad guys?! Code Geass, Neon Evangelone, Gundam Anything, Gurren Lagann, etc. To claim they simply rip off of another series because big things are antagonists.
If so, then how is any series in which a human is a villain a rip off: How is Obito, Madara, Kakuzu, Kisame, Aizen, Blackbeard, Charles, The System do to speak in Angel Beats, or anyone else of human form not a rip off of Shishio from Ruroni Kenshin?!
It is a fallacy to simply claim size is an arguable means to rip off. Same with state of mind, but I'll leave it at that.
If you declare Shounen as all being shit... Then why is this thread even needed. Why focus on one when you can collectively dump them together?!
2. How is it generic. Generic is something common or typical. It's unoriginal. If one isn't supposed to build up early on, then you are proclaiming it is not generic to do so, and thus are indirectly stating originality. Once again, you've insulted another manga while trying to put down AoT. It is trivial to the purpose of the thread. The desth of Eren's mom is an initial driving force and focal image of Eren's rage. Not too different from Spike's Julia and lost past, Sasuke's family being murdered, or Franky losing Shipwright Tom.
The death is a drive, and thus it instantly has purpose: AKA- not unnecessary. Additionally, Eren is driven to see the outside world. There's more than killing Titans.
The entirety of your point fixates upon your opinion of when emotional development should be built. Because you do not believe it should immediately happen, you declare it a generic series.
3. How is Mankind's predicament an excuse?! The armored, colossal, and female type titans could appear at any time to break down the walls. This meant several things.
A) Walls need to be immediately repaired.
B) Operations must be conducted to find and eliminate the greatest threats to humanity.
How does pacing not follow plot?! How can a plot advance without a pace wether it be fast or slow?! As far as a series goes, I'd agree. Cowboy Bebop was amazing. I actually only compared episode length. Considering Bebop had about one year of run time, it had a fast paced story to it. So to judge a series based on speed is impossible.. because one of the greatest did it in a year.
Time skip?! The first two chapters served as expositions that would lay the foundations for the entirety of the series. A Time Skip would be if somewhere around now we have a time skip.
4. See, an example. This is all I asked for. Now my question is this: because a series tries to create a chaotic theme with death looming overhead, you decide it is a poor rip off because it didn't come first?! That's ludicrous. Virtually any story that has any REMOTELY paralleling themes or even a specific event instantly becomes trash under such a premise.
AoT does have periods of build and rest. You have the intro invasion... Then we move to Eren and Co having become soldiers finally, but guess what?! History repeats. After the battle of Trost, we have a calm period in which we prepare to plug the wall. Once the wall is plugged, we have a calm period of a trial which even manages to build some suspense. Then you have the time with Squad Levi which is calm. Then we have the Female Titan. We have a little break, and then we defeat the titan. Then we have a break, and then the Titans somehow get in. Then we have a break after the climax with mostly talking... Then we fear up again.
AoT has up and down flow, is it as long as others?! Not at all for some... Yes for others; however, as I said, it helps move the plot theme of desperation.
5. What do your refer to?! How do I discuss a point that isn't labeled?! If you refer to insulting a series... I have not done so. While I mentioned one instance in Fairy Tail, I additionally complimented the series.
I'm nit sure how I can be fake when offering a sequence of opinions based on analytical observations I've concluded.
6. I mentioned it at the end of point 1... Why single out AoT when labeling a series genre as mediocre... Hey not just make it bash central?!
7. What specifically is not a comparison?! Moving on, you stated it was very predictable based on Shounen work... It implies you were predicting events. I simply made a hyperbole of a sequence of events to bring the point as follows: no one can predict everything.
Did I fail to believe anyone knew he was dead... No I did not, I was one who figured he would find a means to survive. The whole premise of my statement was to establish that nothing is certain in this world. The author could easily have started making Eren appear to be the main character, and pulled a twist by killing him. Did he do so?! Obviously not. It was simply a means to an end: and example to bring about a point.
Considering I was able to get on the internet, move to a specific site, read the basis of your opinion, take those words in, think on them, formulate a response, make the response, and establish the response... I believe I'm more than capable of basic human comprehension. Especially seeing as how people who do have basic human comprehension can have problems even using technology. It simply revolves around experience with such tools.
Why you felt obligated to directly insult my intellect is a mystery to me considering how this whole thread boils down to one simple word.
8. Of course no series of quality lacks emotion, but then what defines quality. Who puts the parameters and restrictions on "quality". What puts the critical figures on whether a series contributes emotion, or fails as it forces emotion.
One simple word: opinion. I mentioned it last time, so I'll say it again.
Attack on Titan, just like everything else in this world, revolves around human opinion. You are of the opinion that it is of poor quality. I on the other hand, believe it has good quality. It isn't the best series, but it is easily far from a bad one
in my eyes.
There will never be a victor or a loser in this thread. It is not but opinion formed from the individual. Nothing more, nothing less. If you feel victorious, your are indudibaly entitled to hold such an opinion.
I will simply say I've made my consensus on why SNK is a good and entertaining anime, and bid you adue. I humbly respect your opinion, and enjoy your say/night ^.^