Smh Minato.

[Shadow Phantasm]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

The only reason Naruto couldn't meld SM with his Bijuu Chakra was because Kurama opposed it. Where is the opposition in Minato's case? More ass-pulls from Minato sympathizers, I see.

Exactly!If we follow their logic then Minato would'nt be able to use BM since Yin Kurama would be hostile.

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

What was the perfect time then to use SM? Against Obito? Do you think SM can do well against Obito's kamui? FTG is the solution to Obito's kamui so using SM at that point is not needed. Against Juubito? It was Naruto who figured that SM works on Obito. That time, Minato was using KCM. KCM/BM is more useful at that point.

All man buddy your not winning this argument with that, but you cover my point in this^ post lol.
When FTG or a space-time barrier was needed Minato used said jutsus, he did not let the opportunity slip by. When his asspull "sage mode" was needed he did not use it, which is incredibly strange given his character and also his compliment from the Second Hokage that he "acts fast/quick." While Naruto needed a brief moment to enter Sennin Modo why hadn't Minato done the same?

Sure we don't know whether or not he could have used both Sennin mode and Bijuu mode simultaneously, but the more effective weapon against Juubi Jin Obito (who I was clearly referring to, not no MS Obito) was nature energy, why the **** would he not switch modes?

Scenarios: Obito is using a space-time jutsu so I'll use mine to counter. MS Obito vs Minato - Then we have - Obito using nature energy and even though I also have the ability to use nature energy I will not. Juubi Jin Obito vs BM Minato, BSM Naruto and the Second Hokage

Clearly it was an asspull..

 

[ajpn920]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

What was the perfect time then to use SM? Against Obito? Do you think SM can do well against Obito's kamui? FTG is the solution to Obito's kamui so using SM at that point is not needed. Against Juubito? It was Naruto who figured that SM works on Obito. That time, Minato was using KCM. KCM/BM is more useful at that point.


All man buddy your not winning this argument with that, but you cover my point in this^ post lol.
When FTG or a space-time barrier was needed Minato used said jutsus, he did not let the opportunity slip by. When his asspull "sage mode" was needed he did not use it, which is incredibly strange given his character and also his compliment from the Second Hokage that he "acts fast/quick." While Naruto needed a brief moment to enter Sennin Modo why hadn't Minato done the same?

Sure we don't know whether or not he could have used both Sennin mode and Bijuu mode simultaneously, but the more effective weapon against Juubi Jin Obito (who I was clearly referring to, not no MS Obito) was nature energy, why the **** would he not switch modes?

Scenarios: Obito is using a space-time jutsu so I'll use mine to counter. MS Obito vs Minato - Then we have - Obito using nature energy and even though I also have the ability to use nature energy I will not. Juubi Jin Obito vs BM Minato, BSM Naruto and the Second Hokage

Clearly it was an asspull..

Huh? What's there to cover with your point? SM is not needed in his fight against Obito. We all know that they are battling with speed and there is no faster than FTG which is instant. Regarding the Juubito fight, it's your point of view that it was needed because only SM can hurt Juubito but you are neglecting the fact that there is already an SM user which is Naruto.

We can't gauge what's more powerful between a BSM+SM or BSM+BM but we do know that BM is more powerful than SM. Well at this point, I can't say you are wrong because it's your opinion but I believe that a BSM+BM combo is more powerful than BSM +SM. Let's say Minato uses SM. What will he do then? Obviously he will be adding his senjutsu chakra to naruto's TBB which I believe it's not needed because Naruto can add his own senjutsu chakra. How can Minato add some power to that? If he is using BM then he can give more power to their attack than by adding only senjutsu chakra in SM. On top of that, he is helping the alliance with chakra. Talking about usefulness, I believe BM is more useful in that situation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

The only reason Naruto couldn't meld SM with his Bijuu Chakra was because Kurama opposed it. Where is the opposition in Minato's case? More ass-pulls from Minato sympathizers, I see.

If his half was opposing him, how'd he go BM?

 

[-Spoiler-]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

why didn't itach used izanami on Sasuke to make him a good kid ?
Why didn't Itachi used izanami on Tobi to make him a good ninja and stop the 4th shinobi war ? Itachi was all to blame then ?

KA was going to make sasuke a good kid.
but i guess you missed that and also missed to point about izanami wasn't made for battle. while OP makes a nice argument it doesn't change my view that minato's sage mode was another situation asspull from kishi.

 

[Avinash012]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

No, I don't think so, considering that PS has legs, and he couldn't form Susano'o with one.

Have no idea what ur talking about and nothing suggests that he don't know about his own power.

Why? How would this form aid him in jumping etc, which he performed whilst aiding BM Naruto and Minato and trying to strike Obito? As I said, wrong analogy.

Jumping? Is there any need for him to use those tricks if he is fighting with Susanoo? Susanoo can do much better than anything Sasuke's close range jutsu can do.
It was correct analogy.

 

[shelke]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

If his half was opposing him, how'd he go BM?

What? I said he couldn't use SM whilst in BM or when Kurama's chakra flowed out as Kurama opposed it. It doesn't make sense for Minato as his half seems to be cooperating from the get-go.

 

[shelke]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

Have no idea what ur talking about and nothing suggests that he don't know about his own power.


Jumping? Is there any need for him to use those tricks if he is fighting with Susanoo? Susanoo can do much better than anything Sasuke's close range jutsu can do.
It was correct analogy.

He can form PS without developing a legged version first? Are you joking? The rest is irrelevant as a legged Susano'o helped him a lot in following Juubito's movements and aiding Naruto and Mianto.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

What? I said he couldn't use SM whilst in BM or when Kurama's chakra flowed out as Kurama opposed it. It doesn't make sense for Minato as his half seems to be cooperating from the get-go.

And I'm saying if that's true, he could just leave KM or BM and use SM, no?

 

[Avinash012]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

He can form PS without developing a legged version first? Are you joking? The rest is irrelevant as a legged Susano'o helped him a lot in following Juubito's movements and aiding Naruto and Mianto.

Lmao,who said that he can enter PS without legged Susanoo? and how could this hints that he don't know that he can use PS?

Regardless,Sasuke didn't used any form of Susanoo to attack Obito even though he knew that he couldn't stand a little change in blue hell against Obito so my point still stands.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

No scans, and no proof.

In the end of the day even if you're right, you're speculating, and it's terrible writing for an author to force his readers to speculate just to answer a simple question. And that is the definition of Ass-pull.

But it would be boring if everything was just spoon-fed to you. Well for me it would get boring.

 

[shelke]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

And I'm saying if that's true, he could just leave KM or BM and use SM, no?

Minato? Yes, seems about right, as Naruto used SM through clones as he couldn't do so in KCM.

Lmao,who said that he can enter PS without legged Susanoo? and how could this hints that he don't know that he can use PS?

Regardless,Sasuke didn't used any form of Susanoo to attack Obito even though he knew that he couldn't stand a little change in blue hell against Obito so my point still stands.

Did he have legged Suasano'o before V3?

No idea what you are talking about here and it isn't a versus thread, FYI.

 

[cyan2cool]

guys Manga already mentioned that Minato was genius . Minato can sense chakra like Tobirama senju second hokage. He saw Naruto's senjutusu chakra ,how he balanced ninjutsu and senjutsu chakra. Minato was so mastered in sensing that only by in one attempt he able to do bijuu mode and senjutsu mode. woooow thats cool. and guys dont forget Madara is one of the guys who sense chakra who has rinnegan and have Jubbi mode.Minato by sensing him he said "i feel the power of hermit stronger than it was in obito. there is no way minato would matched madara even if he use FTG technique.

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

Huh? What's there to cover with your point? SM is not needed in his fight against Obito. We all know that they are battling with speed and there is no faster than FTG which is instant. With regards to Juubito, it's your point of view that it was needed because only SM can hurt Obito but you are neglecting the fact that there is already an SM user which is Naruto.

We can't gauge what's more powerful between a BSM+SM or BSM+BM but we do know that BM is more powerful than SM. Well at this point, I can't say you are wrong because it's your opinion but I believe that a BSM+BM combo is more powerful than BSM +SM. Let's say Minato uses SM. What will he do then? Obviously he will be adding his senjutsu chakra to naruto's TBB which I believe it's not needed because Naruto can add his own senjutsu chakra. How can Minato add some power to that? If he is using BM then he can give more power to their attack than by adding only senjutsu chakra in SM. On top of that, he is helping the alliance with chakra. Talking about usefulness, I believe BM is more useful in that situation.

I think your underestimating the usefulness of two senjutsu users against Juubi Jin Obito. Given Minato's incredible speed with FTG, he could have used senjutsu Rasengans in conjunction to whatever attack Naruto and Tobirama would use against Obito. It was evident enough that BSM Naruto still was not enough to defeat Obito seeing that Sasuke stepped in as well.

Opinion or not, if Minato had entered Sennin mode at the appropriate time, there's a high chance that Obito would have been taken down much sooner, which can only mean that he did not have a sage mode a couple chapters ago. Also he wouldn't have to add senjutsu chakra to Naruto's TBB because Naruto could have done that on his own.

It's the effectiveness of said power-ups, out-of-the-blue or not. And besides both Bijuu modes were tossed aside when Obito released that gigantic tree. If anything their giant Bijuu cloak sizes made them easy targets to take being that they were both drained when branches wrapped around them while Killer Bee was free to move around slashing tree branches. Had Minato not been so large and in Sennin mode that could've been avoided.

And plus, Minato may have been feeding chakra to the alliance like Naruto, but they were both still very much capable of fighting while doing so.

 

[Avinash012]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

Did he have legged Suasano'o before V3?

No idea what you are talking about here and it isn't a versus thread, FYI.

Ur makeing no sense. This'll be my last rep.

U literally showed me nothing that suggests that the Sasuke that fought against Obito don't know that he can use PS and why he realized that he can use it in the middle of the battle.
Regardless,he didn't used any form of his Susanoo to attack Obito even though he has the ability to use Susanoo.The same way Minato didn't used SM against Obito even though he has the ability to use it.

 

[ajpn920]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

I think your underestimating the usefulness of two senjutsu users against Juubi Jin Obito. Given Minato's incredible speed with FTG, he could have used senjutsu Rasengans in conjunction to whatever attack Naruto and Tobirama would use against Obito. It was evident enough that BSM Naruto still was not enough to defeat Obito seeing that Sasuke stepped in as well.

Opinion or not, if Minato had entered Sennin mode at the appropriate time, there's a high chance that Obito would have been taken down much sooner, which can only mean that he did not have a sage mode a couple chapters ago. Also he wouldn't have to add senjutsu chakra to Naruto's TBB because Naruto could have done that on his own.

It's the effectiveness of said power-ups, out-of-the-blue or not. And besides both Bijuu modes were tossed aside when Obito released that gigantic tree. If anything their giant Bijuu cloak sizes made them easy targets to take being that they were both drained when branches wrapped around them while Killer Bee was free to move around slashing tree branches. Had Minato not been so large and in Sennin mode that could've been avoided.

And plus, Minato may have been feeding chakra to the alliance like Naruto, but they were both still very much capable of fighting while doing so.

Well, I can't see how a senjutsu rasengan is stronger than a bijuu bomb infused with senjutsu chakra. Naruto's senjutsu chakra is capable of Mixing his TBB and Minato's TBB. If we'll take out senjutsu in the equation then it's pretty clear that a TBB is stronger than a rasengan. Adding senjutsu makes it even stronger. Why would Minato go into SM if Naruto is capable of adding his senjutsu chakra to his TBB and Minato's TBB which can produce a much stronger attack? It does not makes sense.

 

[shelke]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

Ur makeing no sense. This'll be my last rep.

U literally showed me nothing that suggests that the Sasuke that fought against Obito don't know that he can use PS and why he realized that he can use it in the middle of the battle.
Regardless,he didn't used any form of his Susanoo to attack Obito even though he has the ability to use Susanoo.The same way Minato didn't used SM against Obito even though he has the ability to use it.

What you said doesn't make a crock of sense.

 

[MorphyRulez]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

I don't want to be rude to anyone but why all these people live this manga ? I mean, what's that worship or hate? As a reader, there's huge plot-hole when Minato used SM in the end of day. There are too many questions. PLEASE READ before flaming like a dumb as you did before. You're hinting something, gathering chakra or staff. But you can raise your current chakra level with concentration too. It's your simple question too. How he did get chakra for teleport? We already see this simple thing. Like i need to lil time for gather enough chakra for this. And it was a simple. Nobody mentioned about Minato. Why? Toads could say anything about minato easyly for encourage. Like you can do it, it's not impossible. There are already 2 ppl learned it or etc. Even 4th Hokage mastered it or w/e. Nobody talked about it. He didnt use in deadliest situations. Kurama invasions; SM just not gave you extra chakra. + Gave you ultimate dodge skill or you can call it the danger sensor etc. + ultimate physical power and resistance. When you're facing against Kurama, why dont you go all in ? instead of dying / sacrificing yourself. Still makes no sense. After edo, They faced against 2nd So6P (Obito), Why he didn't use it? When Naruto learned Senjutsu could hurt Obito ATM. Don't say me, He has Kurama so he can't. ATM Kurama is in cooperation with Minato. Minato even could go into BM so.... When you're facing against strongest creature alive and when you could able to hurt him with " RARE " justu. Only Hashirama, Naruto and Minato were able to land a actual hit on Obito. Why didnt you use it? Or Why are you asking Naruto for adding Senjutsu Chakra in his rasengan ? Cuz What we see from Minato, He is obviously MASTER in TOAD SAGE MODE. Same eyes with Naruto. So it was easy to use it instant for Minato like Naruto. But suddenly he wanted to try last shot with SM ? It makes NO SENSE. A lot of people dont try to say IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM. There's a HUUUUUGE plot-hole ATM. Which you should accept that. And i don't know about future. Maybe Kishi will show something about Minato's Past and show us but. Even after that still huge mistakes or plot-hole what would gonna name it. BTW saying even Dumb like i did in this post can be named as " FLAME " . Learn something about it too. You can't win a discussion with Flaming. You only can try lil boy.

 

[Hokage Sharingan Kakashi]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

Well, I can't see how a senjutsu rasengan is stronger than a bijuu bomb infused with senjutsu chakra. Naruto's senjutsu chakra is capable of Mixing his TBB and Minato's TBB. If we'll take out senjutsu in the equation then it's pretty clear that a TBB is stronger than a rasengan. Adding senjutsu makes it even stronger. Why would Minato go into SM if Naruto is capable of adding his senjutsu chakra to his TBB and Minato's TBB which can produce a much stronger attack? It does not makes sense.

I said in conjunction to whatever attack Naruto and Tobirama would use against Obito. Regardless if a senjutsu enhanced TBB is stronger Obito would not have stood still for Naruto to launch such a large scale attack like that. Proven when he released the tree like I said before, it failed then who's to say that it wouldn't fail again.

Also your taking a lot from a rasengan. Naruto damaged Obito with a senjutsu enhanced rasengan so I don't see why Minato's wouldn't, especially if it had nature energy in it. Your looking at it entirely in terms of power, I'm looking more into the effectiveness of these jutsus and modes. When Obito's weakness became known he had gotten much more serious. If I remember correctly he did launch four TBB's after he actually got hit.

 

[ajpn920]

Re: Minato using senjutsu was hinted 3 years ago

I don't want to be rude to anyone but why all these people live this manga ? I mean, what's that worship or hate? As a reader, there's huge plot-hole when Minato used SM in the end of day. There are too many questions. PLEASE READ before flaming like a dumb as you did before. You're hinting something, gathering chakra or staff. But you can raise your current chakra level with concentration too. It's your simple question too. How he did get chakra for teleport? We already see this simple thing. Like i need to lil time for gather enough chakra for this. And it was a simple. Nobody mentioned about Minato. Why? Toads could say anything about minato easyly for encourage. Like you can do it, it's not impossible. There are already 2 ppl learned it or etc. Even 4th Hokage mastered it or w/e. Nobody talked about it. He didnt use in deadliest situations. Kurama invasions; SM just not gave you extra chakra. + Gave you ultimate dodge skill or you can call it the danger sensor etc. + ultimate physical power and resistance. When you're facing against Kurama, why dont you go all in ? instead of dying / sacrificing yourself. Still makes no sense. After edo, They faced against 2nd So6P (Obito), Why he didn't use it? When Naruto learned Senjutsu could hurt Obito ATM. Don't say me, He has Kurama so he can't. ATM Kurama is in cooperation with Minato. Minato even could go into BM so.... When you're facing against strongest creature alive and when you could able to hurt him with " RARE " justu. Only Hashirama, Naruto and Minato were able to land a actual hit on Obito. Why didnt you use it? Or Why are you asking Naruto for adding Senjutsu Chakra in his rasengan ? Cuz What we see from Minato, He is obviously MASTER in TOAD SAGE MODE. Same eyes with Naruto. So it was easy to use it instant for Minato like Naruto. But suddenly he wanted to try last shot with SM ? It makes NO SENSE. A lot of people dont try to say IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM. There's a HUUUUUGE plot-hole ATM. Which you should accept that. And i don't know about future. Maybe Kishi will show something about Minato's Past and show us but. Even after that still huge mistakes or plot-hole what would gonna name it. BTW saying even Dumb like i did in this post can be named as " FLAME " . Learn something about it too. You can't win a discussion with Flaming. You only can try lil boy.

Do you realize how fast Minato was able to gather chakra? That's not something anyone can do using their normal chakra. I'm not saying Minato is using SM at that point. He is using senjutsu chakra instead of his own chakra. Senjutsu chakra =/ SM.

I said in conjunction to whatever attack Naruto and Tobirama would use against Obito. Regardless if a senjutsu enhanced TBB is stronger Obito would not have stood still for Naruto to launch such a large scale attack like that. Proven when he released the tree like I said before, it failed then who's to say that it wouldn't fail again.

Also your taking a lot from a rasengan. Naruto damaged Obito with a senjutsu enhanced rasengan so I don't see why Minato's wouldn't, especially if it had nature energy in it. Your looking at it entirely in terms of power, I'm looking more into the effectiveness of these jutsus and modes. When Obito's weakness became known he had gotten much more serious. If I remember correctly he did launch four TBB's after he actually got hit.

Talking about effectiveness/usefulness of a mode then it's pretty clear that BM is more useful because naruto can add his senjutsu chakra to make it effective against juubito. While it can give a more powerful attack, Minato can also share his chakra to the SA using BM.