Smh Minato.
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, just more to read, but its AWESOME, good work 
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Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
I pretty much agree. I agree with the option that Minato couldn't fuse the 2 modes. I think he refereed to senjutsu as "the same jutsu as Jiraya sensei," because he was probably the first toad sage of konoha. Or at least it was the jutsu Jiraya dedicated himself to. Madara would refer to Yamato's wood style as Hashirama's jutsu since Hashirama was the first one to have it. As for the Obito example, I think it's simply because there really wasn't enough time. If he did it against Obito, a space-time user, he's potentially leaving a fatal opening even if he can enter sage mode quickly. Minato couldn't spare any time to enter sage mode against Kurama. I mean, the TBB was close to forming.
I pretty much agree. I agree with the option that Minato couldn't fuse the 2 modes. I think he refereed to senjutsu as "the same jutsu as Jiraya sensei," because he was probably the first toad sage of konoha. Or at least it was the jutsu Jiraya dedicated himself to. Madara would refer to Yamato's wood style as Hashirama's jutsu since Hashirama was the first one to have it. As for the Obito example, I think it's simply because there really wasn't enough time. If he did it against Obito, a space-time user, he's potentially leaving a fatal opening even if he can enter sage mode quickly. Minato couldn't spare any time to enter sage mode against Kurama. I mean, the TBB was close to forming.
Even i made a thread 2 days before the release of the manga about minato having sm telling them about frogies knowing minato and his comment on naruto about the level of sm mastery.
But everyone just ignored it and said he wont have it and discouraged me.
But this weeks chapter punched them in the face.
But everyone just ignored it and said he wont have it and discouraged me.
But this weeks chapter punched them in the face.
Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
+ rep for the effort. nice explanation. i wonder why everyone believes than Minato pulling SM makes no sense. Every chapter, Kishi added something new to the story. Before the chapter where there is a flashback of Minato, Jman and the toads saying Naruto surpassed them, it was mentioned that only Jman manages to use senjutsu. That was the chapter b4 the flasback. The story progresses so we don't have to stick what was really shown before. It was hinted that Minato can use SM in the Pein arc but haters are in denial about this because Minato having SM would make a huge difference in every versus thread where Minato is involve
In his fight against Obito, what can SM do? Would SM makes Minato faster than FTG? FTG is instant. SM only boost his raw speed. His battle with Obito is a battle of speed so it's natural that he would use the fastest jutsu to overcome Obito and that's FTG. Just common sense can answer that question but I believe haters don't have that..:snick: In his revival as ET, BM is more useful than SM because it can help boost the alliance chakra. I wonder why there are some saying it's an asspull from Kishi..lol.
+ rep for the effort. nice explanation. i wonder why everyone believes than Minato pulling SM makes no sense. Every chapter, Kishi added something new to the story. Before the chapter where there is a flashback of Minato, Jman and the toads saying Naruto surpassed them, it was mentioned that only Jman manages to use senjutsu. That was the chapter b4 the flasback. The story progresses so we don't have to stick what was really shown before. It was hinted that Minato can use SM in the Pein arc but haters are in denial about this because Minato having SM would make a huge difference in every versus thread where Minato is involve
In his fight against Obito, what can SM do? Would SM makes Minato faster than FTG? FTG is instant. SM only boost his raw speed. His battle with Obito is a battle of speed so it's natural that he would use the fastest jutsu to overcome Obito and that's FTG. Just common sense can answer that question but I believe haters don't have that..:snick: In his revival as ET, BM is more useful than SM because it can help boost the alliance chakra. I wonder why there are some saying it's an asspull from Kishi..lol.
Wow, lot of people in denial of the foreshadowing. How long have Naruto been Jiraiya student? about 3 years if not a little more total and have he ever met Pa toad prior to him telling him Jiraiya is dead and wants to train him in Senjutsu? No because Pa toad never seen Naruto until here
Minato on the other hand was Jiraiya's student since he was a genin and knew him until around mid 20's. Pa toad did know Minato well enough to compare him and Jiraiya with SM Naruto. I read some people arguing if Minato can go SM instant or really fast like Naruto, I don't think he can to be honest, I do think he went SM faster in the lastest chapter only because he had most of his chakra absorbed by the God tree a couple chapters ago. Edo's chakra are not instantly regenerated, if that was true then Minato wouldn't say he was low on chakra when Tobirama asked if he can ftg to Naruto nor would Hashirama say he would give Sasuke the chakra he have left after saying Madara just took his Senjutsu. Left implies to doesn't have much or at least all that you normally would or else he would have said all.
I do find it funny how people hate on SM Minato for getting beat by someone much more powerful than Juubito. That's like saying they expect SM Minato to be stronger than BSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, KM/BM Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen which is laughable. A Pre-Godlike Madara took down Edo Hashirama, EMS Sasuke and Tobirama with one Rinnegan eye.
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. So in the 3 years or so that Naruto was Jiraiya student, he never met Pa toad.Minato on the other hand was Jiraiya's student since he was a genin and knew him until around mid 20's. Pa toad did know Minato well enough to compare him and Jiraiya with SM Naruto. I read some people arguing if Minato can go SM instant or really fast like Naruto, I don't think he can to be honest, I do think he went SM faster in the lastest chapter only because he had most of his chakra absorbed by the God tree a couple chapters ago. Edo's chakra are not instantly regenerated, if that was true then Minato wouldn't say he was low on chakra when Tobirama asked if he can ftg to Naruto nor would Hashirama say he would give Sasuke the chakra he have left after saying Madara just took his Senjutsu. Left implies to doesn't have much or at least all that you normally would or else he would have said all.
I do find it funny how people hate on SM Minato for getting beat by someone much more powerful than Juubito. That's like saying they expect SM Minato to be stronger than BSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, KM/BM Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen which is laughable. A Pre-Godlike Madara took down Edo Hashirama, EMS Sasuke and Tobirama with one Rinnegan eye.
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Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
The way you explained it it makes alot of sense. Good job on the thread man! In my opinion Sage mode was a legit skill but Kishi placed its emphasis much later in the manga and so it was kind of like an asspull as you might say by reintroducing the whole thing as the only way to defeat the Onmyodon absorbing power of the Rinnegan user. So I think minato having sage mode was one of those things where it was implied early on but he wasn't going to waste time explaining it. RARELY does Kishi ever decide to explain in depth what's in the manga unless it becomes a major contradiction or if it is relevant to the scene; which is probably why Kishi decided to show Minato with sage mode NOW because it's the only way to counter Madara's Onmyodon. And that is the art of kishimoto's trolling; subtle implications earlier on in the story coming back to trick the reader, when he pretty much showed us already that Minato was connected to Mt Myoboku and under the tutorship of Jiraiya he learned sage mode. The sage mode plot turned out to be absolutely pointless though and has given us a new reason to fight. It's looking like Kishi is letting the older generation die out before he gives Naruto and Sasuke more panel time lol. Great thread though! +rep
The way you explained it it makes alot of sense. Good job on the thread man! In my opinion Sage mode was a legit skill but Kishi placed its emphasis much later in the manga and so it was kind of like an asspull as you might say by reintroducing the whole thing as the only way to defeat the Onmyodon absorbing power of the Rinnegan user. So I think minato having sage mode was one of those things where it was implied early on but he wasn't going to waste time explaining it. RARELY does Kishi ever decide to explain in depth what's in the manga unless it becomes a major contradiction or if it is relevant to the scene; which is probably why Kishi decided to show Minato with sage mode NOW because it's the only way to counter Madara's Onmyodon. And that is the art of kishimoto's trolling; subtle implications earlier on in the story coming back to trick the reader, when he pretty much showed us already that Minato was connected to Mt Myoboku and under the tutorship of Jiraiya he learned sage mode. The sage mode plot turned out to be absolutely pointless though and has given us a new reason to fight. It's looking like Kishi is letting the older generation die out before he gives Naruto and Sasuke more panel time lol. Great thread though! +rep
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Seriously even if minoto knew all this shit why not use it b4 now, worst thing is this takes away from naruto being special makes u wonder if kishi forgets shit would make sense hell dbz creator b4 battle of gods went thru dbz pidia lol u never kno
Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
Minato had not expierience with BM after he was revived same with KCM. The fact that he had to fight yin Kurama for enternity only gave him chances to steal some Kurama chakra to get Nine tails chakra mode. However he could not even use KCM most likely... or maybe he could. BM is out of question as Kurama first spoke to Minato in war when Naruto entered SM.
Naruto has vast expierience with BM and SM while using it them in battle so he could figure out how to combine bith modes.
Unless Kishi throw this statement and manga fact out of window as he did recently to a lot of stuff.
You can accuse Minato for being unable to act as shinobi in that case but he is human afterall so it would affect him.
I am fine with your opinion, feel free to disagree but it can be explained not as plot hole.
Well Minato was genius, prodigy so this is possible for him to complete his SM training(maybe it was just last push/step which he did alone to get Perfect SM)
Minato had not expierience with BM after he was revived same with KCM. The fact that he had to fight yin Kurama for enternity only gave him chances to steal some Kurama chakra to get Nine tails chakra mode. However he could not even use KCM most likely... or maybe he could. BM is out of question as Kurama first spoke to Minato in war when Naruto entered SM.
Naruto has vast expierience with BM and SM while using it them in battle so he could figure out how to combine bith modes.
lol but could Itachi know how to insert Sage chakra into attack ?, No, but Minato knew it.
^^ True but Minato didn't finish his sentence as Dark Yin kurama interrupted him that for sure.
Lol, I mean that we could only EXPECT Incomplete SM after hints from manga. However he clearly has Perfect Sage mode, yes I am not arguing against it.
Yeah I am aware, but you should be also aware that it Takes a big amount of chakra to balance nature energy absorbed from nature. If you has too little then nature energy will overhelm you and turns into frog stone. Minato could know about it and it would be reason to not use SM.
Unless Kishi throw this statement and manga fact out of window as he did recently to a lot of stuff.
Well maybe he can not enter it so fast. Keep in mind that Minato was standing there still from begining of the lastest chapter to enter it only at thirteen page. Besides you forgot that he was drained and under great stress. Strong emotions were moving him back then so he could even forget about it at that time and when he retored his cool it was too late as his chakra amount was depleted and he had to act very fast.
You can accuse Minato for being unable to act as shinobi in that case but he is human afterall so it would affect him.
It does make sense, but it is up to you to believe into that or not.
I am fine with your opinion, feel free to disagree but it can be explained not as plot hole.
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Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
Nice explanation and I agree.
But there was no need for the explanation about Minato not using Sage mode during Kyuubi attack because it was a sudden/surprise attack and hence he couldn't afford to gather senjutsu chakra and meanwhile Kyuubi destroys the village.
Nice explanation and I agree.
But there was no need for the explanation about Minato not using Sage mode during Kyuubi attack because it was a sudden/surprise attack and hence he couldn't afford to gather senjutsu chakra and meanwhile Kyuubi destroys the village.
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Minato having sm makes sense.
Minato having it now, after all that's happened and said in recent chapters, doesn't.
Kishi essentially debunked the idea then went "oh wait no. Here you go".
Minato having sm makes sense.
Minato having it now, after all that's happened and said in recent chapters, doesn't.
Kishi essentially debunked the idea then went "oh wait no. Here you go".
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Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
You are right.
•) Minato had no time in accumulating Natural energy in every important fight he had.
•) Minato didn't know that sage jutsu could hurt Obito.When He found out he thought that since one sage user is there, you won't be needing another one.Naruto was even faster in accumulating natural energy so Minato thought that him using sage jutsu would just be a lost of time.
•) Minato did have a contract with the toads and he might have mastered sage jutsu either alone or with Jiraiya, but since jiraiya died we could never find out.
•) Kishi has a fault in not making things more obvious. It's not like we are dumb but we, the theoriest, have to make things clear most of the time.
Rep for effort, excellent work.
You are right.
•) Minato had no time in accumulating Natural energy in every important fight he had.
•) Minato didn't know that sage jutsu could hurt Obito.When He found out he thought that since one sage user is there, you won't be needing another one.Naruto was even faster in accumulating natural energy so Minato thought that him using sage jutsu would just be a lost of time.
•) Minato did have a contract with the toads and he might have mastered sage jutsu either alone or with Jiraiya, but since jiraiya died we could never find out.
•) Kishi has a fault in not making things more obvious. It's not like we are dumb but we, the theoriest, have to make things clear most of the time.
Rep for effort, excellent work.
Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
Its true that Minato had all means to learn SM, but I still dont see why he didnt use it during Obitos attack on Konoha. Its not like entering that mode takes him as much time as in Jiraiyas case, in the latest chapter he was able to do that in one second.
Its true that Minato had all means to learn SM, but I still dont see why he didnt use it during Obitos attack on Konoha. Its not like entering that mode takes him as much time as in Jiraiyas case, in the latest chapter he was able to do that in one second.
Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
Naruto had no connection with Minato at this time, so he couldnt have linked him to boost his morale for studying the technique. That is why throughout the training, Fukusaku only makes reference to Jiraiya since he was Naruto teacher and he was to be avenged.
Which can also be happening in Minatos case. but all the same, wasnt needed at the time.
^^ Finally Minato displays Senjutsu.
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He also absorbs or builds up chakra in order to carry the blast and kyuubi away. I would go with absorbed since he told Gama to keep the kyuubi still for sometime. Minato became stationary at that point, pointing out that he was absorbing chakra. He might have absorbed just enough to hel in the teleportation not to turn to sage because the TBB was about to detonate. And absorbing chakra from nature is a skill of sage users, just like how hashirama absorbs chakra, u dont even see him doing it.
So the same way Minato does, its fast and subtle enough that Kishi doesnt draw it like Narutos.
I agree with most point and congrats, you did well.
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Naruto had no connection with Minato at this time, so he couldnt have linked him to boost his morale for studying the technique. That is why throughout the training, Fukusaku only makes reference to Jiraiya since he was Naruto teacher and he was to be avenged.
Although Tsunade was the one one who envisioned Minato and Jiraiya, Fukusaku was referring to them both because that was what Gamabunta said too.
Because that wasnt him, it was just his chakra essence. Also that wasnt the point of interest. If it was him, he wouldnt have shocked when he saw Naruto use it against Juubito
More likely, Kurama also explained that he was disrupting narutos merging with sagemode.
Which can also be happening in Minatos case. but all the same, wasnt needed at the time.
Or he doesnt need. What is he suing sage mode for against BZ when he doesnt even know what he is dealing with. Also he is ET, he has unlimited chakra, unless necessary to enhance his powers, I dont there is a need to activate it.
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^^ Finally Minato displays Senjutsu.
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He also absorbs or builds up chakra in order to carry the blast and kyuubi away. I would go with absorbed since he told Gama to keep the kyuubi still for sometime. Minato became stationary at that point, pointing out that he was absorbing chakra. He might have absorbed just enough to hel in the teleportation not to turn to sage because the TBB was about to detonate. And absorbing chakra from nature is a skill of sage users, just like how hashirama absorbs chakra, u dont even see him doing it.
So the same way Minato does, its fast and subtle enough that Kishi doesnt draw it like Narutos.
I agree with most point and congrats, you did well.
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Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense
First, I appreciate the work you put into making this thread. But, I have to disagree with you conclusion. Last chapter, Minato went into sage mode extremly quickly- so him not having time to enter sage mode doesnot make sense- he had time to tuck naruto and kushina in bed, and then go put on his coat.- lol village under attack need to look badass.
Also, being fatigued/ low on chakra doesnot make sense eithor, Edo's have been shown to be significantly weaker than their alive counterparts ( hashirama, tobirama, madara all referenced this multiple times) so, if a weaker edo Minato could enter SM It doesnot make sense that a alive Minato could not.
I beleive that what makes most sense, is that when Minato's chakra merged with Naruto's he gained some of he sons abilties ( lol, dont be surprised to see a rasenshurken)
First, I appreciate the work you put into making this thread. But, I have to disagree with you conclusion. Last chapter, Minato went into sage mode extremly quickly- so him not having time to enter sage mode doesnot make sense- he had time to tuck naruto and kushina in bed, and then go put on his coat.- lol village under attack need to look badass.
Also, being fatigued/ low on chakra doesnot make sense eithor, Edo's have been shown to be significantly weaker than their alive counterparts ( hashirama, tobirama, madara all referenced this multiple times) so, if a weaker edo Minato could enter SM It doesnot make sense that a alive Minato could not.
I beleive that what makes most sense, is that when Minato's chakra merged with Naruto's he gained some of he sons abilties ( lol, dont be surprised to see a rasenshurken)