Smh Minato.

[KCMNaruto]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

First, I appreciate the work you put into making this thread. But, I have to disagree with you conclusion. Last chapter, Minato went into sage mode extremly quickly- so him not having time to enter sage mode doesnot make sense- he had time to tuck naruto and kushina in bed, and then go put on his coat.- lol village under attack need to look badass.
Also, being fatigued/ low on chakra doesnot make sense eithor, Edo's have been shown to be significantly weaker than their alive counterparts ( hashirama, tobirama, madara all referenced this multiple times) so, if a weaker edo Minato could enter SM It doesnot make sense that a alive Minato could not.
I beleive that what makes most sense, is that when Minato's chakra merged with Naruto's he gained some of he sons abilties ( lol, dont be surprised to see a rasenshurken)

Thanks for your feedback , it is realy insightfull and give me a lot to think of.

I only disagree with bolded part.

@bolded part, I didn't mean Alive Minato at Full chakra/fresh, instead I mean Alive Minato at that time who was neither fresh or having full chakra as he was constantly keeping kushina's seal while she was borning Naruto. Besides he was forced to use FTG two times after that. Anyway it is pure execuse and I am aware of that, Minato having time to put cloak on and care about Kushina and Naruto and not entering SM could mean that Minato can not keep SM enabled too long or he wanted to save it until he appeared. However after he appeared he was attacked by Kyuubi right away which took a quite big amount of chakra from him, then he wanted to teleport to Third Hokage to inform him but was attacked by Masked Man.

so, yes Minato could not enter it against Kyuubi. Against Masked man maybe he could but it would be very risky and maybe he needed to be focused on FTG so adding SM would make his use of FTG work much worse.

Anyway you could be right as well, we have to wait and see

 

[I love pancakes]

Naruto used to be about Naruto surpassing 4th and his sensei, which happened ... prior to the war. Now Minto is just ass-pulling jutsu, wouldn't be surprised if Jiraiya came back with the explanation of "am one of 3 sannin, sannin don't die bro.".

 

[Ahmed1993]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

Well Minato was genius, prodigy so this is possible for him to complete his SM training(maybe it was just last push/step which he did alone to get Perfect SM)

Minato had not expierience with BM after he was revived same with KCM. The fact that he had to fight yin Kurama for enternity only gave him chances to steal some Kurama chakra to get Nine tails chakra mode. However he could not even use KCM most likely... or maybe he could. BM is out of question as Kurama first spoke to Minato in war when Naruto entered SM.

Naruto has vast expierience with BM and SM while using it them in battle so he could figure out how to combine bith modes.

I can buy that , but Minato having perfect SM ( which he does ) is a plot hole since Fukasuku said that no one perfected SM before Naruto.

I can agree that he couldn't go BM before the war , but he could go KCM most likely since its the prize for beating the Kyuubi.
Minato too has vast experience with SM and probably KCM.
BM is an advanced KCM.
Minato can obviously make up for his lack of experience with the BM by his Genius status.

So BSM for him is possible.

lol but could Itachi know how to insert Sage chakra into attack ?, No, but Minato knew it.

Senjutsu = Nature energy+ Regular chakra (Physical Energy + Spiritual Energy).

So when you have entered SM , all your attack are Senjutsu based attack.

^^ True but Minato didn't finish his sentence as Dark Yin kurama interrupted him that for sure.

How can you say that i'm correct when you disagree with me ? ^^

Lol, I mean that we could only EXPECT Incomplete SM after hints from manga. However he clearly has Perfect Sage mode, yes I am not arguing against it.

So its a plot hole

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Yeah I am aware, but you should be also aware that it Takes a big amount of chakra to balance nature energy absorbed from nature. If you has too little then nature energy will overhelm you and turns into frog stone. Minato could know about it and it would be reason to not use SM.

Unless Kishi throw this statement and manga fact out of window as he did recently to a lot of stuff.

Let me explain you something.

No matter how much chakra you have , it will always be inferior to the Nature energy.

So even when you chakra reserve are at max , you need to draw in a certain amount to mix it with your chakra and create Senjutsu , but no more than this certain amount or you'll be overwhelmed by the Nature energy and turn into stone.

Same concept is applied when you have half or 1/4 etc... your max chakra reserve.

So your " he was low on chakra " argument is invalid.

Well maybe he can not enter it so fast. Keep in mind that Minato was standing there still from begining of the lastest chapter to enter it only at thirteen page. Besides you forgot that he was drained and under great stress. Strong emotions were moving him back then so he could even forget about it at that time and when he retored his cool it was too late as his chakra amount was depleted and he had to act very fast.

You can accuse Minato for being unable to act as shinobi in that case but he is human afterall so it would affect him.

The " low on chakra " argument is explained above.
But you have to take in mind that talking in manga appears to be long but is not in the anime.
I agree on the emotion part.

It does make sense, but it is up to you to believe into that or not.

I am fine with your opinion, feel free to disagree but it can be explained not as plot hole.

Sorry my last post made it as if i'm trying to impose my opinion on you , you have the right to disagree of course. ( i was angry that there was yet another plot hole in this manga )
But as i said i highly think its a plot hole.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Naruto used to be about Naruto surpassing 4th and his sensei, which happened ... prior to the war. Now Minto is just ass-pulling jutsu, wouldn't be surprised if Jiraiya came back with the explanation of "am one of 3 sannin, sannin don't die bro.".

Do you know that sannin are mythological characters, not a Kishimoto creation, and are by definition immortal?

 

[Bogard]

It was foreshadowed sure, but Kishi messed up with the timing

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

Thanks for your feedback , it is realy insightfull and give me a lot to think of.

I only disagree with bolded part.

@bolded part, I didn't mean Alive Minato at Full chakra/fresh, instead I mean Alive Minato at that time who was neither fresh or having full chakra as he was constantly keeping kushina's seal while she was borning Naruto. Besides he was forced to use FTG two times after that. Anyway it is pure execuse and I am aware of that, Minato having time to put cloak on and care about Kushina and Naruto and not entering SM could mean that Minato can not keep SM enabled too long or he wanted to save it until he appeared. However after he appeared he was attacked by Kyuubi right away which took a quite big amount of chakra from him, then he wanted to teleport to Third Hokage to inform him but was attacked by Masked Man.

so, yes Minato could not enter it against Kyuubi. Against Masked man maybe he could but it would be very risky and maybe he needed to be focused on FTG so adding SM would make his use of FTG work much worse.Anyway you could be right as well, we have to wait and see

I see, now that you cleared up the fact that you were talking about Minato vs Kyubi not vs tobi your explanation makes much more sense.- I can't think of a reason why Minato would chose not to ( if he had it) against tobi ( he obviusly had time) but against the kyubi there were other factors that could very well have prevented him from entering sage mode ( time, fatigue, concentration on seal etc....)

I don't really understand the bit about focusing on FTG- Edo Minato seemed to have no problem using FTG and sage mode.If anything it would make it easier ( naruto does one handed rasengan in sage more etc..) However, he just activated it, mabey for whatever reason his sage mode has drawbacks that will be revealed next chapter- and that is why he didnot use it against tobi.- I really doubt Minato is the cocky type to hold back something like sage mode when the village is under atack.

So, in regards to Minato I understand:
-why he didnot use it in the war- BM is more usefull
-why he didnot use it against kyubi-too fatigued, short on time
What I don't understand is against tobi-He ended up not needing it, but any extra reaction time would have been usefull against obito, mabey a sage mode rasengan would have killed obito ( instead of taking his arm).

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

Nice though I'm 50 50 on the matter

 

[Byron123]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

I agree, just people jump into conclusions too fast.

 

[JCW]

Re: last time Fukasaku said.....

On page 2, someone said naruto doesnt come up with his own jutsus

Same with sasuke
Same with sakura

They made adaptations.

Dont be putting naru on blast without putting in the account he isnt alone

Also, imo they are too young to even contemplate creating a brand new, personal own jutsu

 

[ObitoKarin]

Is this still a topic? I though this was the outcome of a simple equation.

If Naruto + Jiraya = Toad Contract which would later mean Naruto + Toad Contract = Sage Mode
Then why is it such a shocker for Minato?

That's like flipping out about Sakura getting Yin Seal when it was eventually bound to happen. All the threads aren't necessary and the arguments aren't either. Kishi doesn't go for complicated explanations, he's pretty straight forward.

 

[duken fist]

minato is done..

the 4th hokage was a beast but now he is pretty much hopeless since he lost his other arm and its not going to regenerate since he got hit with some power of the so6p. the only way he can fight is with his feet like sanji.. bol

 

[Insightful Owll]

Re: minato is done..

Your mom was done 3 times over after I banged her last night.

 

[omarsen]

Re: minato is done..

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[Joker]

Re: minato is done..

Hokages are getting eliminated badly, I hope Taka steps in with Orochimaru in DSM to decimate Madara

 

[Zorø]

Re: minato is done..

Your mom was done 3 times over after I banged her last night.

Cmon now did you have to say that.....people these days soo rude.
OT: your right I agree with this thread.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Re: [Detailed explanation] Minato having Sage mode could makes sense

Nice though I'm 50 50 on the matter

Thanks , it is still better then calling it plothole straight away without thinking about it a moment.

I agree, just people jump into conclusions too fast.

Exactly, of course timming is very bad and way to revealing is cheesy at least... however even if Kishi was not ceratain about giving Minato Sage mode but still he played smart and wise by leaving himself room/space to pull possible explanation almost fitting through entire manga plot if he decided Minato to have SM.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Re: minato is done..

Mayyyyybe. There is the possibility that Obito will overwrite the jutsu that prevents Minato from regenerating.

 

[duken fist]

Re: minato is done..

Your mom was done 3 times over after I banged her last night.

that was so funny i forgot to laugh

 

[Insightful Owll]

Re: minato is done..

Well, you can laugh now if you like. I shall wait.

 

[Igrou]

Re: minato is done..

yeah minato can only kick from now on or may be obito or orochimaru will regenerate his both arms somehow cuz minato cannot be done just like that .