SM users vs Dojutsu users

[Lana Del Taka]

exactly some thing totsuka solos everybody

It does. Even Kaguya:

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[Demonic.]

Are you dumb? Sasuke could've killed Kabuto, but Itachi made him hold back. So many people underestimate and down play Sasuke without seeing his full capabilities. Kabuto got solo'd by Izanami. Team Do Wins.

Itachi was babysitting Sasuke during that fight...Sasuke didn't even listen to Itachi, "it's okay he has Orochimaru's power he won't die easily." Using that is a pathetic excuse. Itachi saved Sasuke twice. Kabuto one shotted Itachi twice. Kabuto's intent was not to kill either, but capture.

Team Sage takes it still.

 

[Beans2]

Are you dumb? Sasuke could've killed Kabuto, but Itachi made him hold back. So many people underestimate and down play Sasuke without seeing his full capabilities. Kabuto got solo'd by Izanami. Team Do Wins.

How would Sasuke have killed Kabuto?

 

[Blackdeath667]

Are you dumb? Sasuke could've killed Kabuto, but Itachi made him hold back. So many people underestimate and down play Sasuke without seeing his full capabilities. Kabuto got solo'd by Izanami. Team Do Wins.

kabuto held back on sasuke as well, he killed itachi twicce so whats to say he could kill sasuke as well, even if the uchiha's were to beat him, one of the brothers would have died, and surely your not saying EMS sasuke> EMS sasuke/MS edo itachi

 

[JStar King]

Illogical. Sasuke could solo. I've lost faith in this world. People around me and narutards are getting dumber. Kabuto couldnt solo a crow in their fight XD

 

[Blackdeath667]

Illogical. Sasuke could solo. I've lost faith in this world. People around me and narutards are getting dumber. Kabuto couldnt solo a crow in their fight XD

you must be joking

 

[Beans2]

Illogical. Sasuke could solo. I've lost faith in this world. People around me and narutards are getting dumber. Kabuto couldnt solo a crow in their fight XD

Lol what? White rage + Muki tensei = gg Sasuke
Flute genjutsu = gg Sasuke
Food cart destroyer (using manda II) = gg Sasuke

Meanwhile Sasuke has nothing that can put down Kabuto, except maybe Kirin.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Sages win both scenarios.

 

[ARGUS]

Team SM wins both scenarios

--Minato can tag all his team mates and therefore can help them evade most of team dojustus attacks

--White Rage and Mugen Onsa gives Kabuto a good opportunity to finish off either Sasuke or Itachi,, and with backup from Naruto,,, thhe uchiha bros. get taken out

--Minato defeats Obito jus how he did in canon, as the onslaught between them would immediately result in obito getting marked

--SM Naruto and Jiraiya fight Pein, as naruto can stall pein long enough for Jiraiya to prep Frog Song, and allow him to finish off Deva and Animal, who are the only real threats here, and since all of them are backed up by FTG,, this is done so much efficiently

--the rest then gangbang the remaining paths and itachi

 

[Kamui Sama]

Cool matchup, sages high-diff

 

[Gein]

Sasuke = Naruto
Itachi > Kabuto (Izanami)
Obito < Minato (if their fight is anything to go off of, not to mention Minato has him marked)
6POP > Jiraiya.

There's also a lot of possible Izanagi's.

Jiraiya > 6POP

full intel

 

[ARGUS]

Jiraiya > 6POP

full intel

loll no, CT GG,, CST GG,, GM soul dragon GG,,
pein defeated him without even using deva and asura, who are his main offensive type.

 

[Gein]

loll no, CT GG,, CST GG,, GM soul dragon GG,,
pein defeated him without even using deva and asura, who are his main offensive type.

Sorry, Ill take Nagato's words over yours.

 

[ARGUS]

Sorry, Ill take Nagato's words over yours.

Pein still killed Jiraiya, with only using half of his power,,
Manga > You,
if you disagree then atleast state how he beats Pein, and how he counters his large scale techs

 

[Gein]

Pein still killed Jiraiya, with only using half of his power,,
Manga > You,
if you disagree then atleast state how he beats Pein, and how he counters his large scale techs

Indeed manga > me

Nagato admitted the Pains are inferior. They only won because Jiraiya didn't know anything about them.

If it comes down to it, and 5 pains are gone then the secret is pretty much out. Jiraiya wins.

He only lost because of plot and not knowing the secret.

I dont need to explain how Jiraiya would beat the large scale attacks because Nagato already said he would have.

If you disagree thats like saying Nagato doesn't know his own abilities.

 

[ARGUS]

Indeed manga > me

Nagato admitted the Pains are inferior. They only won because Jiraiya didn't know anything about them.

If it comes down to it, and 5 pains are gone then the secret is pretty much out. Jiraiya wins.

He only lost because of plot and not knowing the secret.

I dont need to explain how Jiraiya would beat the large scale attacks because Nagato already said he would have.

If you disagree thats like saying Nagato doesn't know his own abilities.

you cant take all the statements in the manga too literally,, bcz there are far tooo many examples like that,,,

--BZ stating that Itachi is invincible
--Juubito stating that jiraiya is superior to him
--Obito stating that nagato is invincible
--amaterasu stated as being unavoidable, yet A evaded it with ease
--the prime hiruzen hype, which is clearly not backed up by any feats or even hype in part 2,
--orochimaru stating he's immortal

the list goes on,,

 

[Gein]

you cant take all the statements in the manga too literally,, bcz there are far tooo many examples like that,,,

--BZ stating that Itachi is invincible - Wasnt meant all too literally. Because the ultimate defense and ultimate offense.
--Juubito stating that jiraiya is superior to him - Jiraiya is superior as a shinobi, not power wise.
--Obito stating that nagato is invincible - Obito is just inferior.
--amaterasu stated as being unavoidable, yet A evaded it with ease - Ay is one of the few exceptions.
--the prime hiruzen hype, which is clearly not backed up by any feats or even hype in part 2, Ive seen some quite good feats from Hiruzen. Although its minisicule they are discredited.(Going by logic, age decays physical prowess, so its only logical to imply he was stronger than what he is now.)
--orochimaru stating he's immortal - He is pretty much immortal. Not in the sense he can't be killed.

the list goes on,,

Refer to the quote.

 

[ARGUS]

Refer to the quote.

my point is that there are far too many statements like that which can be taken at a different perspective,, and Pein losing to jiraiya is one of them,, bcz if we go by feats and portrayal, Pein would comfortably beat him,
seeing how a nerfed pein, managed to pin down SM Naruto (who is a better sage than jiraiya)

 

[lucario14]

Senjutsu users win. Tayuya's flute would spell disaster for all doujutsu users. All team sage have to do is protect kabuto and with minato's ftg plus naruto's chakra reserves, it would be easy.

 

[Gein]

my point is that there are far too many statements like that which can be taken at a different perspective,, and Pein losing to jiraiya is one of them,, bcz if we go by feats and portrayal, Pein would comfortably beat him,
seeing how a nerfed pein, managed to pin down SM Naruto (who is a better sage than jiraiya)

Feats aren't the only thing that determine a victor.