SM Naruto vs v2 Killer Bee

[Izanamı.]

Who would win?​

 

[Haizaki]

B takes it no doubt. Does he have access to Samehada?

 

[KidGamer65]

B literally doesn't stand a chance here.

-Speed? Pointless. V2 B's extremely linear attacks are easily tracked by Naruto's sensing, and B either gets an FRS, or a Chou Oodama Rasengan slammed into his face. The former kills him, and the latter does moderate damage at best. Either way, any Lariat attempt is foiled.

-Durability? B has no durability feat that lets him tank a normal FRS, let alone an

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-Samehada is useless. He needs to be in human or V1 form if he wants to wield any blades, as shown by his performance in the manga. If he tries that, he gets punked by Naruto. Frog Kata smacks him and knocks the blade out of his hand, or Naruto hits him and Samehada with multiple FRS, which means GG for him. Or Naruto can use clones and diversions to land FRS from multiple angles, meaning B can't get them both. If we give B the ability to fuse with Samehada for whatever reason, it still doesn't matter. Fighting with a shark like body on land only hurts him, not helps him, and it leaves him vulnerable to Naruto's Taijutsu, Frog Kata, and Frog Smash, which one shotted Preta Path. Then there's the fact that he can call Ma or Pa and just slice him up with their tongues.

-Chakra Arms? They get evaded or cut with FRS.

War Arc Sage Naruto wins mid diff and it's not going any higher, not with B's extremely simple fighting style in his cloaked modes. Not gonna address Base for obvious reasons.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Killer Bee

 

[Bronze]

Bee can either Lariat blitz his ass (given blind Madara blitzed SM Naruto, and the former is slower on foot than Bee), physically overpower him (given KCM Naruto received major damage from V1 Ay, who in return was overpowered by Base Bee), tank everything and outlast him (given 6-tailed Kyuubi tanked TBB without damage, and Bee in BM form tanked stronger tier attacks than FRS), or simply blast his blond ass with a TBB.

Too many reasons why Bee punks this clown. Bee low diff.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto low difficulty.

V2 Bee couldn't even blitz Kisame from about 4yards away. He isn't blitzing Naruto and once he misses or fall for a clone fake

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[namikaze0323]

Tough But I'd say bee takes this high dif.
Speed is too strong, and his fighting techniques are too abnormal, he takes Naruto no problem. he out taijutsu'd sasuke and sasuke whomps naruto at basic taijutsu. I don't think Naruto lands any of his big attacks on him either.

 

[Haizaki]

I'm coming back!

 

[Haizaki]

B literally doesn't stand a chance here.

Nope...You're underestimating him a bit.

-Speed? Pointless. V2 B's extremely linear attacks are easily tracked by Naruto's sensing, and B either gets an FRS, or a Chou Oodama Rasengan slammed into his face. The former kills him, and the latter does moderate damage at best. Either way, any Lariat attempt is foiled.

Linear but can extent his chakra arms for attacks if needed

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and also capable of creating arms from the other arms

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and attacking with more than one arm at a time

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No B isn't going to run straight into Naruto's FRS when you think of the preparation.

He easily deals with it via Samehada in a terrible scenario.

-Durability? B has no durability feat that lets him tank a normal FRS, let alone an

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It doesn't really need to be a case of durability when he can dodge it...If these could dodge it and evade its range

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I think B can easily do so. True the other ones would be trouble but Hashirama managed as well in the middle scan

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Aren't those 2 the same in the scan you posted?

-Samehada is useless. He needs to be in human or V1 form if he wants to wield any blades, as shown by his performance in the manga. If he tries that, he gets punked by Naruto. Frog Kata smacks him and knocks the blade out of his hand, or Naruto hits him and Samehada with multiple FRS, which means GG for him. Or Naruto can use clones and diversions to land FRS from multiple angles, meaning B can't get them both. If we give B the ability to fuse with Samehada for whatever reason, it still doesn't matter. Fighting with a shark like body on land only hurts him, not helps him, and it leaves him vulnerable to Naruto's Taijutsu, Frog Kata, and Frog Smash, which one shotted Preta Path. Then there's the fact that he can call Ma or Pa and just slice him up with their tongues.

Why did say so with the bold? He did cover his blade with his V1 cloak already while holding it. Why won't he be able to do so in V2? He has never been in a scenario where he needed to use weapons in V2 but that doesn't mean he can't cover it when he did show he can cover his weapons with the V1 cloak already

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Minato in his Kyuubi cloak used his weapon to slash Obito

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Really don't see why B can't.


Even if, B easily merges and then covers himself with the cloak.

-Chakra Arms? They get evaded or cut with FRS.

Not if they're coming at him while B is moving...He'll be dodging.

War Arc Sage Naruto wins mid diff and it's not going any higher, not with B's extremely simple fighting style in his cloaked modes. Not gonna address Base for obvious reasons.

Not with Samehada and ink clones that can cover up for him and still mentally communicate with him like how Sai's ink clone despite being with Naruto was communicating with Kakashi and the others...This isn't even needed when Samehada can sense so there's no way he'll be sucked in.

B wins.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope...You're underestimating him a bit.



Linear but can extent his chakra arms for attacks if needed

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and also capable of creating arms from the other arms

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and attacking with more than one arm at a time

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Naruto easily deals with this line of attack by evading it, or by tossing FRS and having it blow up, meaning B gets caught in the AoE and dies. Kakashi was evading those chakra arms, and Orochimaru too. Considering this is the only line of attack that isn't so linear that Naruto can't counter it in his sleep, B doesn't stand a chance of winning here since this line of attack is also never going to hit him.

No B isn't going to run straight into Naruto's FRS when you think of the preparation.

He easily deals with it via Samehada in a terrible scenario.

If he ever uses Lariat, then that's exactly what will happen. If he doesn't, then all Naruto needs to do is land it on him, which is simple task given the AoE of FRS, and it's larger variants, and Naruto's sensing, which basically acts as precognition just like Sharingan. All he needs to do is get close to B and then whack him.

Then there's the fact that Ma and Pa can paralyze him with Frog Call, which allows Naruto to land FRS on him pretty easily given he'll be paralyzed and unable to move. There's also the fact that Naruto can attack from multiple angle via clones, who can also use

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, and if he calls on Ma and Pa, he gets an unlimited Sage Mode.

It doesn't really need to be a case of durability when he can dodge it...If these could dodge it and evade its range

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I think B can easily do so. True the other ones would be trouble but Hashirama managed as well in the middle scan

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Aren't those 2 the same in the scan you posted?

It didn't explode into the wind sphere, so that point doesn't help you. Hashirama>>Killer B when it comes speed whether or not he's in V2, so mentioning him doesn't help you either, especially since Hashirama wasn't the target, Madara was. Harder to dodge a blast when you are the target to begin with.

And no. Naruto can throw it in it's initial stage, or it's gigantic stage.

All Naruto needs to do is enter CQC with Killer B, and then smack him with an FRS, or a Chou Oodama Rasengan which allows him to land FRS while B recovers from the first attack, easily doable via clones. Speed or strength aren't an issue here, since SM Naruto's boosted reactions and sensing/tracking let him outmaneuver B like he did to the Raikage.

Why did say so with the bold? He did cover his blade with his V1 cloak already while holding it. Why won't he be able to do so in V2? He has never been in a scenario where he needed to use weapons in V2 but that doesn't mean he can't cover it when he did show he can cover his weapons with the V1 cloak already

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V1 and V2 aren't even close to being the same type of chakra. They only share a source. B's fighting style is, Base and V1 weapons, V2, no weapons. No reason why we should differentiate from said fighting style. He never uses swords while in V2.

Though let's just say he will. Doesn't really change anything I've already stated.

Minato in his Kyuubi cloak used his weapon to slash Obito

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Really don't see why B can't.

Clearly not the same thing, unless you want to argue that a KCM cloak is the same type of chakra as a V2 cloak Lol.

Even if, B easily merges and then covers himself with the cloak.

Impossible for obvious reasons. Samehada absorbs chakra on contact. What you are suggesting he does is basically the same as me saying Madara uses Preta Path while Susanoo is active. Assuming he can merge with Samehada to begin with. Then there's the fact that turning into a fish man on land is a terrible idea. Kisame only got that massive speed boost because he was underwater, put him on land and he's no threat speed wise. Combine that with the fact that Naruto would wreck him in Taijutsu if he were to forego his cloaked states to enter a fused state via Frog Kata, Frog Smash.

Or he'd just outright one shot with a big enough FRS.

Not if they're coming at him while B is moving...He'll be dodging.

Dodging the AoE of Naruto's largest FRS? Uh, no. Not happening. The smaller ones? Sure, if Naruto fires from long range with absolutely no distractions, but he can go up close, outmaneuver B like he did the Third Raikage and then slam FRS right into him.

Not with Samehada and ink clones that can cover up for him and still mentally communicate with him like how Sai's ink clone despite being with Naruto was communicating with Kakashi and the others...This isn't even needed when Samehada can sense so there's no way he'll be sucked in.

B's ink clones are fodder in comparison to Naruto's clones, and they can be easily separated from the original, meaning Naruto goes after the original and lets clones/summons bang the Ink Clones. Naruto's clones easily take them out. And like I said below, not even sure how mentally communicating is going to help him here. It's not like B will be seeing anything his clones won't be seeing or vice versa.

Samehada can't sense. Kisame (Or in this case, Killer B) after fusing with it can sense. Samehada only seeks out the chakra of things it likes, which is why it was able to sense B's location. Not sure how this is going to help him anyway.

B wins.

B dies a terrible death. Naruto is way too versatile with too much firepower for this guy to handle.

 

[Izanamı.]

do you guys think v2 Bee can use TBB like KN6 Naruto?​

 

[KidGamer65]

do you guys think v2 Bee can use TBB like KN6 Naruto?​

Absolutely not. Some people do, but their only evidence is that Kyuubi Naruto can do it, forgetting the fact that Kyuubi>>>Hachibi, so what Kyuubi can do isn't what Hachibi can do.

 

[Beans2]

Naruto wins mid diff.

War Arc SM Naruto > KN6 Naruto > Pein Arc SM Naruto > KN4 Naruto > V2 Bee, imo

 

[Izanamı.]

Naruto wins mid diff.

War Arc SM Naruto > KN6 Naruto > Pein Arc SM Naruto > KN4 Naruto > V2 Bee, imo

if i make another thread could you explain how War arc SM Naruto beats KN6?​

 

[Beans2]

if i make another thread can you explain how War arc SM Naruto beats KN6?​

I can just explain here

KN6's speed is tracked, chakra arms are evaded, giant rasengan clone armies keep it at bay, COFRS obliterates

 

[Izanamı.]

I can just explain here

KN6's speed is tracked, chakra arms are evaded, giant rasengan clone armies keep it at bay, COFRS obliterates

how does he deal with TBB?​

 

[Beans2]

how does he deal with TBB?​

FRS > KN4's bijuudama which was defended against with Orochimaru's rashomon
So OFRS or COFRS > KN6's bijuudama

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto easily deals with this line of attack by evading it, or by tossing FRS and having it blow up, meaning B gets caught in the AoE and dies. Kakashi was evading those chakra arms, and Orochimaru too. Considering this is the only line of attack that isn't so linear that Naruto can't counter it in his sleep, B doesn't stand a chance of winning here since this line of attack is also never going to hit him.

B easily evades FRS when I showed those Paths who are much inferior to him in the speed department evading its AOE. If Naruto throws it from a close range while evading, he gets caught up in it as well. Either way he'll be forced to dodge rather than easily aim his attacks.

If he ever uses Lariat, then that's exactly what will happen. If he doesn't, then all Naruto needs to do is land it on him, which is simple task given the AoE of FRS, and it's larger variants, and Naruto's sensing, which basically acts as precognition just like Sharingan. All he needs to do is get close to B and then whack him.

He'll only use Lariat if he merges..Otherwise he'll just keep his distance and evade Naruto's attacks.

Then there's the fact that Ma and Pa can paralyze him with Frog Call, which allows Naruto to land FRS on him pretty easily given he'll be paralyzed and unable to move.

Ma and Pa frog call won't be holding him down especially with the V2 cloak. Sure it help down those summoning which are rather big in size and more exposed.

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Naruto was within its range and casually ran under it to land his rasengan as a distraction. B should still be able to function under this in V2 state.

It didn't explode into the wind sphere, so that point doesn't help you. Hashirama>>Killer B when it comes speed whether or not he's in V2, so mentioning him doesn't help you either, especially since Hashirama wasn't the target, Madara was. Harder to dodge a blast when you are the target to begin with.

What do you mean with the bold?..V2 B is much faster so even if it could expand more than that, he'll evade it and cover a wider range than they did. Not to mention Naruto can only have it explode when it hits somewhere or someone so if he aims at B, Be dodges it like Pain did when it was aimed at him

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..If he aims at the ground, B easily evades it's Range since it won't explode to the wind sphere if that's what you're saying.

All Naruto needs to do is enter CQC with Killer B, and then smack him with an FRS, or a Chou Oodama Rasengan which allows him to land FRS while B recovers from the first attack, easily doable via clones. Speed or strength aren't an issue here, since SM Naruto's boosted reactions and sensing/tracking let him outmaneuver B like he did to the Raikage.

Without Naruto getting caught from that Range as well? Don't think so but Samehada easily absorbs it.

V1 and V2 aren't even close to being the same type of chakra. They only share a source. B's fighting style is, Base and V1 weapons, V2, no weapons. No reason why we should differentiate from said fighting style. He never uses swords while in V2.

Because he hasn't used weapons in V2 doesn't mean he can't use it...The only thing we've seen him do in V2 is lariat. Are we going to say he doesn't use chakra arms because it's not his fighting style? Because we haven't seen him use it doesn't mean he should not resort to it when needed when he has to do something about those wide scale attacks which can catch him in some certain cases. That would be unwise but I'm sure debating usually involves exploiting one's ability otherwise we won't be able to tell the outcome of a battle unlike the author.

Clearly not the same thing, unless you want to argue that a KCM cloak is the same type of chakra as a V2 cloak Lol.

Not the same thing but it sticks to the body like the V2 cloak does. That should at least hint at the fact that he can even if he hasn't. If B is holding his sword, he'll extend the cloak to it.

Impossible for obvious reasons. Samehada absorbs chakra on contact. What you are suggesting he does is basically the same as me saying Madara uses Preta Path while Susanoo is active.

Samehada absorbs chakra when the user wants it to do so. It was already covered in V2 cloak and yet didn't absorb it..See Samehada in the red box.

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Another point was the fact that it never did so despite Itachi's Susanoo holding B to protect it. It absorbs when it's made to

However if you're referring to the fact that the cloak gets absorbed when Samehada tries to absorb FRS, then it doesn't matter since both FRS and the cloak are contained within Samehada and returned back to B since Samehada has shown to give him chakra he took from Kisame. All we'll have is B getting stronger and Naruto wasting energy.

Assuming he can merge with Samehada to begin with.

Any reason why he can't merge? Not at all.

- Has shown to pass chakra from Kisame to B

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- Has shown to merge with Kisame despite having a wielder before Kisame.

- Doesn't have the same Chakra nature as Kisame but yet can still merge with him.

Unless there's some kind of special condition why Kisame can but B can't, then it would be made known as the Manga doesn't give any. When it does, then B cannot.

Then there's the fact that turning into a fish man on land is a terrible idea. Kisame only got that massive speed boost because he was underwater, put him on land and he's no threat speed wise. Combine that with the fact that Naruto would wreck him in Taijutsu if he were to forego his cloaked states to enter a fused state via Frog Kata, Frog Smash.

It's not going to slow him down though. Naruto comes close in a CQC? This is done

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and you can see upon merging, they share abilities as Kisame repeated the process

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. No, the underline won't happen since he can decide when Samehada should absorb or not.

Dodging the AoE of Naruto's largest FRS? Uh, no. Not happening. The smaller ones? Sure, if Naruto fires from long range with absolutely no distractions, but he can go up close, outmaneuver B like he did the Third Raikage and then slam FRS right into him.

The above deals with this...Pain evaded it with distractions. The largest? Maybe not but it doesn't matter since he can at least evade the focused point to an area where the cloak can take minimal damage.

@Bold? Chakra arms that can form from his arms like I showed? What happened to the 3rd won't happen to B. I'm ignoring Samehada here because it deals with this.

B's ink clones are fodder in comparison to Naruto's clones, and they can be easily separated from the original, meaning Naruto goes after the original and lets clones/summons bang the Ink Clones. Naruto's clones easily take them out. And like I said below, not even sure how mentally communicating is going to help him here. It's not like B will be seeing anything his clones won't be seeing or vice versa.

True but they'll have Samehada since Zabuza already showed the ability to clone his own sword

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as well as Sai being able to clone his weapon.

Mental communications was just in reference to his blindspot but true it's irrelevant due to sensing from Samehada.

Samehada can't sense. Kisame (Or in this case, Killer B) after fusing with it can sense. Samehada only seeks out the chakra of things it likes, which is why it was able to sense B's location. Not sure how this is going to help him anyway.

Makes sense but who gives them the ability if they couldn't sense before? Kisame said he could feel Chakra upon merging with Samehada which means Samheda gave him that ability

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He was basically entitled to what Samehada had.

B dies a terrible death.

No he either out last or deals with Naruto...Not to mention SM does have a limit.

 

[KidGamer65]

B easily evades FRS when I showed those Paths who are much inferior to him in the speed department evading its AOE.

Like I already said. That wasn't the wind explosion. They evaded the Shuriken itself. If it had exploded into the

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, they would've gotten caught and killed. So you have no point here.

If Naruto throws it from a close range while evading, he gets caught up in it as well. Either way he'll be forced to dodge rather than easily aim his attacks.

Nope. Read the scan I posted above. Naruto hit the Raikage at close range, but the Raikage was pushed back and then it blew up. Same thing happens to Killer B. He won't get caught in it.

He'll only use Lariat if he merges..Otherwise he'll just keep his distance and evade Naruto's attacks.

Then he still gets plastered by a large enough FRS.

Ma and Pa frog call won't be holding him down especially with the V2 cloak. Sure it help down those summoning which are rather big in size and more exposed.

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Naruto was within its range and casually ran under it to land his rasengan as a distraction. B should still be able to function under this in V2 state.

Naruto was able to function cause Naruto is their ally. It's sound. Size has nothing to do with who gets affected.

V2 cloak is inconsequential to B resisting Frog Call unless for some reason you think that his cloak lets him block sound.

What do you mean with the bold?.

Read above.

V2 B is much faster so even if it could expand more than that, he'll evade it and cover a wider range than they did.

Read above.

Not to mention Naruto can only have it explode when it hits somewhere or someone so if he aims at B, Be dodges it like Pain did when it was aimed at him

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..If he aims at the ground, B easily evades it's Range since it won't explode to the wind sphere if that's what you're saying.

And why exactly won't hit? No reason for it not to. B's speed feats don't lead me to believe he can evade a Bijuu+ sized nuke from close-mid range, from a guy who can track his every movement, and when the nuke creates an explosion this

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. And yes, B evades if Naruto just tosses it at him. But Naruto can use more than one from more than one angle, and he can use them at close range....so no.

Then there's the fact that Ma can

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Tongue, allowing Naruto to slam one on him. Samehada is useless since the attack isn't chakra.

Without Naruto getting caught from that Range as well? Don't think so but Samehada easily absorbs it.

Read above for the first part, the rest? Nope. If B is in CQC with Naruto, gets evaded and then gets FRS hit right against him, Samehada won't be able to absorb it as he takes a direct hit. If he's fused, then all Naruto needs to do is kill him with a large enough FRS...that is, unless we have feats of Samehada absorbing something on the level of Chou Oodama FRS.

Because he hasn't used weapons in V2 doesn't mean he can't use it...The only thing we've seen him do in V2 is lariat. Are we going to say he doesn't use chakra arms because it's not his fighting style? Because we haven't seen him use it doesn't mean he should not resort to it when needed when he has to do something about those wide scale attacks which can catch him in some certain cases. That would be unwise but I'm sure debating usually involves exploiting one's ability otherwise we won't be able to tell the outcome of a battle unlike the author.

Like I said below. It doesn't change the outcome.

Not the same thing but it sticks to the body like the V2 cloak does. That should at least hint at the fact that he can even if he hasn't. If B is holding his sword, he'll extend the cloak to it.

It sticking to the body doesn't change the fact it's a completely different type of chakra, so saying it can do this, because another cloak did so doesn't make sense. But this isn't even relevant, so there's no point continuing.

Samehada absorbs chakra when the user wants it to do so. It was already covered in V2 cloak and yet didn't absorb it..See Samehada in the red box.

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Then this just foils B even more, since if he's using his cloak, he can't absorb chakra via Samehada unless he wants to absorb his cloak. So either he foregoes his cloak, and gets raped in CQC, or he foregoes his chakra absorption and dies to FRS...and even then, if by some miracle he can use his cloak and absorb chakra at the same time, zero evidence he's taking multiple FRS at once, or a Chou Oodama FRS, so that's pretty much GG for him either way.

Another point was the fact that it never did so despite Itachi's Susanoo holding B to protect it. It absorbs when it's made to

Point.

However if you're referring to the fact that the cloak gets absorbed when Samehada tries to absorb FRS, then it doesn't matter since both FRS and the cloak are contained within Samehada and returned back to B since Samehada has shown to give him chakra he took from Kisame. All we'll have is B getting stronger and Naruto wasting energy.

Read above.

Any reason why he can't merge? Not at all.

- Has shown to pass chakra from Kisame to B

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- Has shown to merge with Kisame despite having a wielder before Kisame.

- Doesn't have the same Chakra nature as Kisame but yet can still merge with him.

Unless there's some kind of special condition why Kisame can but B can't, then it would be made known as the Manga doesn't give any. When it does, then B cannot.

Alright then, either way, B doesn't stand a chance of winning.

It's not going to slow him down though. Naruto comes close in a CQC? This is done

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and you can see upon merging, they share abilities as Kisame repeated the process

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. No, the underline won't happen since he can decide when Samehada should absorb or not.

Point for the first and last sentences, the spikes point though? Nope. There isn't even any compelling feat from those spikes that'd lead me to believe it'd even pierce Naruto's skin in Sage Mode. Besides, since B can apparently use his cloak while merged with Samehada, this strategy isn't even going to work. He needs to land multiple FRS via clones, or he needs to land Chou Oodama.

The above deals with this...Pain evaded it with distractions. The largest? Maybe not but it doesn't matter since he can at least evade the focused point to an area where the cloak can take minimal damage.

Wasn't talking about distractions, and no, B isn't evading it. You haven't given me a speed feat that'd lead me to believe otherwise, especially when Naruto can release it much closer than he did against Madara, which was when he was on top of the Shinju, the tallest structure in the Manga, and while Madara was on the ground.

He gets caught in the AoE, and dies a terrible death. The fact that Naruto can track his movements with Sage Mode to make landing this much more easier than it would be doesn't help your case.

And then we have Ma and Pa's Dust Cloud, which would impair B's vision and make it that much easier to hit him with Chou Oodama FRS.

@Bold? Chakra arms than can form from this arms like I showed? What happened to the 3rd won't happen to B. I'm ignoring Samehada here because it deals with this.

Which doesn't matter, since outmaneuvering B's sword is the main issue. Any chakra arms in the way get cut through, but a fusion with Samehada deals with that, so he'll need Chou Oodama FRS to put him down, or he'll need multiple Rasen Shuriken.

Then there's the fact that if he takes in too much Senjutsu, it's GG for him right then and there.

True but they'll have Samehada since Zabuza already showed the ability to clone his own sword

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as well as Sai being able to clone his weapon.

Mental communications was just in reference to his blindspot but true it's irrelevant due to sensing from Samehada.

Which doesn't matter since Naruto doesn't need Ninjutsu to beat B's Ink Clones. Not when he's in Sage Mode.

Makes sense but who gives them the ability if they couldn't sense before? Kisame said he could feel Chakra upon merging with Samehada which means Samheda gave him that ability

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He was basically entitled to what Samehada had.

It's probably just a result of said fusion, Kisame already explained why he was able to find Killer B, and it's not because Samehada could sense him like regular sensors can, but since B can fuse with it, it doesn't matter.

No he either out last or deals with Naruto...Not to mention SM does have a limit.

Ma and Pa make any limit non existent.

 

[Haizaki]

Like I already said. That wasn't the wind explosion. They evaded the Shuriken itself. If it had exploded into the

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, they would've gotten caught and killed. So you have no point here.

Ok.

Naruto was able to function cause Naruto is their ally. It's sound. Size has nothing to do with who gets affected.

V2 cloak is inconsequential to B resisting Frog Call unless for some reason you think that his cloak lets him block sound.

Even though he's their ally, it shouldn't change the fact that he walked right under their attack which was aimed at his direction. He was within range rather than walking somewhere else. That attack is just a distraction(although it has effects) which is why Naruto was unaffected by it. Don't see that putting B down.

Naruto wasn't affected by it, B shouldn't be held down by it.

And why exactly won't hit? No reason for it not to. B's speed feats don't lead me to believe he can evade a Bijuu+ sized nuke from close-mid range, from a guy who can track his every movement, and when the nuke creates an explosion this

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. And yes, B evades if Naruto just tosses it at him. But Naruto can use more than one from more than one angle, and he can use them at close range....so no.

Point

Then there's the fact that Ma can

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Killer B with her

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Tongue, allowing Naruto to slam one on him. Samehada is useless since the attack isn't chakra.

GG

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Read above for the first part, the rest? Nope. If B is in CQC with Naruto, gets evaded and then gets FRS hit right against him, Samehada won't be able to absorb it as he takes a direct hit. If he's fused, then all Naruto needs to do is kill him with a large enough FRS...that is, unless we have feats of Samehada absorbing something on the level of Chou Oodama FRS.

Why can't Samehada absorb it? It takes a direct hit but as long as it's nearby and doesn't contain 6 tails worth of Charka, that's not a problem

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As long as it's coming close, it gets absorbed since B's cloak was completely absorbed before he could complete his headbutt which shows how fast the absorption.

Samehada without fusing absorbed 6 tails chakra at once like it was said at the bottom of this scan

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(Note that B wasn't even in contact for a long time but was sent flying)

When fused and in contact for a little extended period like Rasenshuriken would be, Samehada absorbed all the way from V2 to Base mode

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No reason to believe the Charka contained in FRS is comparable to that of a Bijuu. Especially when he absorbed all of B's Chakra first (Bottom right)

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and then Hachibi as the Bijuu stated.

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He absorbs FRS all with no problem. Note that when chakra is around Samehada for an extended period of time, it absorbs more like when it reduced V2 to base...When it's not and extended period, it absorbs 6 tails at once like how B was reduced from V2 to V1

Then this just foils B even more, since if he's using his cloak, he can't absorb chakra via Samehada unless he wants to absorb his cloak. So either he foregoes his cloak, and gets raped in CQC, or he foregoes his chakra absorption and dies to FRS...and even then, if by some miracle he can use his cloak and absorb chakra at the same time, zero evidence he's taking multiple FRS at once, or a Chou Oodama FRS, so that's pretty much GG for him either way.

Like I said before, both the cloak and FRS get absorbed but you're forgetting the fact that the chakra absorbed can be giving back to B

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so it's irrelevant if he absorbs his cloak and FRS since the Chakra is transferred back to him and Samehada are one.

Naruto isn't going to come straight ahead to attack when B's absorbing FRS..That would be silly as if he attacks, the absorption process would be disrupted and the technique would go off catching him as well. Not to mention I don't think FRS contains 6 tails worth of chakra so even if V2 gets absorbed alongside FRS, B resorts back to his V1 state

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while FRS gets absorbed at once like I showed Samehada absorbing 6 tails worth at once.

Worst case scenario? He keeps absorbing till whenever but I know Naruto can't deliver attacks that contain chakra close enough to a Bijuu let alone in addition to its host. Either way, from V2 to Base is a massive amount that multiple FRS shouldn't contain. B absorbs them all and Naruto can't attack till B's done absorbing or he'll get caught in the explosion..After the absorption, B gets more power transferred to him and uses V2 again.

Alright then, either way, B doesn't stand a chance of winning.

You sure?

Point for the first and last sentences, the spikes point though? Nope. There isn't even any compelling feat from those spikes that'd lead me to believe it'd even pierce Naruto's skin in Sage Mode. Besides, since B can apparently use his cloak while merged with Samehada, this strategy isn't even going to work. He needs to land multiple FRS via clones, or he needs to land Chou Oodama.

Disagree

The spikes had the ability to pierce through the V2 cloak

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and you can see it constantly being there till he reduces till V1 (Bottom scan right)

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Chidori failed to pierce through V2 and its should easily pierce through SM Naruto.

Once Chakra is wasted on multiple FRS, he'll tire out. Why won't the method work? The method is resorted to if in any case Naruto apparently rushes B while he absorbs V2. Since Naruo can best him in a CQC, B uses this to prevent Naruto till he gets his V2 back. He should be able to use this in V1 since you already even agreed that he can use weapons in V1. He simply extends this which prevents Naruto till V2 comes..He can use it in Base or V1 even if you're disagreeing with V2.

Wasn't talking about distractions, and no, B isn't evading it. You haven't given me a speed feat that'd lead me to believe otherwise, especially when Naruto can release it much closer than he did against Madara, which was when he was on top of the Shinju, the tallest structure in the Manga, and while Madara was on the ground.

Ok but I'm sure I addressed this.

He gets caught in the AoE, and dies a terrible death. The fact that Naruto can track his movements with Sage Mode to make landing this much more easier than it would be doesn't help your case.

Ok.

And then we have Ma and Pa's Dust Cloud, which would impair B's vision and make it that much easier to hit him with Chou Oodama FRS.

Useless due to sensing.

Which doesn't matter, since outmaneuvering B's sword is the main issue. Any chakra arms in the way get cut through, but a fusion with Samehada deals with that, so he'll need Chou Oodama FRS to put him down, or he'll need multiple Rasen Shuriken.

Nope..He can use Chakra arm. I already proved that he can have Samehada absorb when he wants it to so no absorption till it's made to do so.

Then there's the fact that if he takes in too much Senjutsu, it's GG for him right then and there.

That's if he takes it directly from Naruto...Preta absorbed Naruto's Senjutsu attack. Absorbed Jiraiya's huge Rasengan and Senjutsu attacks several times as well as Ma and Pa's combined attacks. Madara absorbed Naruto's Rasenshuriken in SM.

Which doesn't matter since Naruto doesn't need Ninjutsu to beat B's Ink Clones. Not when he's in Sage Mode.

Point.

Ma and Pa make any limit non existent.

Not his attacks though..Especially multiple use of FRS which involves a lot of chakra. Unless you're saying they make his chakra limitless?