[VS] SM Naruto Vs MS Sasuke

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

I would like to know how people think SM Naruto > MS Sasuke.

SM naruto has two clones back in toad village. Then, his use of SM was pretty limited. Each SM top-up pretty much only gave him 2 rasenshuriken worth of chakra.

Comparison,

Sasuke is still faster than he is.
MS sasuke has susanoo
Sasuke has enton shield + offensive amaterasu
Sasuke could supress kyuubi chakra as naruto and kyuubi were not tight then.
And Naruto only has SM.

So please, how would Naruto beat Sasuke exactly?

 

[V h o]

Guess this is Pein arc?

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Guess this is Pein arc?

Yeah around that period of time. Before Naruto gained KM or sasuke gained EMS.

 

[Goju Ryu]

SM Naruto is faster than Sasuke.

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Also, if he lands one punch he would throw Sasuke's Susanoo 1 mile away.

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Also, Naruto have better summons and nothing in MS Sasuke arsenal can match the power of a rasenshuriken.

In addiction, MS Sasuke have low durability using Susanoo and Amaterasu.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Susanoo tanks all techs naruto can throw at it.

Naruto isn't faster. Well I guess no one can be sure. Naruto blitzed one of the pein paths after all. At most they are equal.

lol. durable? This is the sasuke that fought the kages, danzo and kakashi in one day. I'd say his eyes can handle it.

Throwing Susanoo far away doesn't really do much in damaging it does it.

Naruto has only ever been able to summon one gamabunta sized toad, and sasuke can do the same(snake anyways).

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Sasuke wins with high diff against Pein Arc Sage Mode Naruto.

 

[LuckyMan]

You weakened Naruto for Sasuke to stand a chance though so even you know Naruto is really superior, so why make the thread?

You putting Pain Arc Naruto versus peak MS Sasuke (Danzo Arc). Put peak SM Naruto (War Arc) against peak MS Sasuke and Naruto slaughters him but you already know that.

 

[Ambivalence]

I don't see any versions posted. It goes like this:

SM Naruto (War Arc)>MS Sasuke (post-Danzo fight)>SM Naruto (Pain Arc)>MS Sasuke (Kage Summit)>MS Sasuke (Killer Bee fight)

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

You weakened Naruto for Sasuke to stand a chance though so even you know Naruto is really superior, so why make the thread?

You putting Pain Arc Naruto versus peak MS Sasuke (Danzo Arc). Put peak SM Naruto (War Arc) against peak MS Sasuke and Naruto slaughters him but you already know that.

I'm putting them right around the same period just before they got their next upgrade. There's no peak about it. War arc naruto isn't peak SM naruto. He already had KM then. besides, during the war, sasuke had EMS.

 

[QdonEms]

Even bee fight sasuke would wax Pein arc SM naruto....amaterasu one shots.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Base Naruto parried an Amaterasu with a small Kyuubi cloak and Sasuke would have to be in range. Naruto would use Shadow Clones to assess the situation first. Once Sasuke's forced to use Amaterasu on the clones, Naruto will keep his distance, but it's also unrealistic to say Naruto can't weave a single hand seal each time Sasuke attempts Amaterasu, so a clone will always defend Naruto. Though, Naruto's already encountered Amaterasu against Itachi, while Sasuke has no knowledge of Rasenshuriken. Naruto also doesn't need his eyes, can feign being unable to sense without his eyes, and can surprise attack Sasuke with Frog Kata while he pretends he's using normal taijutsu against Sasuke. A single blow from Sage Mode beats Sasuke there. Sasuke also wouldn't immediately use Susanoo, as he's still not used to it, and has no reason not to try fighting Naruto up close first with their rivalry. The same goes for Amaterasu, really. If you'd noticed at the bridge, Sasuke had also no problem clashing his Chidori with Naruto's Rasengan, even if lying, waiting to restore his chakra, or waiting for allies to come could have been done to avoid that clash.

Naruto might just never go near Sasuke and Shadow Clones are the worst technique for a limited Mangekyou user to face. Actually, Shadow Clones themselves are something Sasuke would figure he shouldn't waste his Mangekyou on. Once the clones use Sage Mode, Sasuke immediately loses for underestimating them. Susanoo doesn't need to be destroyed immediately, either. Like Goju said, Naruto just needs to punch it away and make Sasuke get exhausted. Once Sasuke loses track of Naruto, he'll lose due to Naruto's superior sensory and guerrilla tactics. Mangekyou doesn't last forever and neither do the reserves of Sasuke. By the time Sasuke learned how to use Susanoo correctly, his vision was fading quite a bit. Danzo isn't a chakra monster and doesn't use Shadow Clones to wear down an enemy.

Naruto wouldn't get the small amount of Kyuubi chakra he can control suppressed, as he has no need to look in the eyes of Sasuke. Story-wise, the main character also wouldn't get oneshot by Amaterasu, and Sasuke wouldn't use that against his former friend first. Toads also wear down Sasuke even more and the sages would be harder to focus Amaterasu on. Their physical abilities with Sage Mode would also be underestimated. One of the toads could also reverse summon Naruto in a surprise attack against Sasuke. Oh, and the moment Sasuke loses track of Naruto, Frog Song also beats Sasuke.

 

[Leathercandle]

SM Naruto all the way. I would have LOVED to see this fight all out in the manga/anime tbh, but I think that Naruto would win. Sasuke was basically bling by the Pein attacks Konoha arc, which gives Sasuke even less of a chance. Btw if you think I'm just hating on Sauce, I'm not, I love Sasuke actually.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

I don't see any versions posted. It goes like this:

SM Naruto (War Arc)>MS Sasuke (post-Danzo fight)>SM Naruto (Pain Arc)>MS Sasuke (Kage Summit)>MS Sasuke (Killer Bee fight)

I think KM is biasing this ranking. Even during the initial part of the war. Naruto's SM limit was two rasenshuriken. He was mainly in KM for the war, but if you use his initial fight with madara(naruto clone actually), you will see that.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Base Naruto parried an Amaterasu with a small Kyuubi cloak and Sasuke would have to be in range. Naruto would use Shadow Clones to assess the situation first. Once Sasuke's forced to use Amaterasu on the clones, Naruto will keep his distance, but it's also unrealistic to say Naruto can't weave a single hand seal each time Sasuke attempts Amaterasu, so a clone will always defend Naruto. Though, Naruto's already encountered Amaterasu against Itachi, while Sasuke has no knowledge of Rasenshuriken. Naruto also doesn't need his eyes, can feign being unable to sense without his eyes, and can surprise attack Sasuke with Frog Kata while he pretends he's using normal taijutsu against Sasuke. A single blow from Sage Mode beats Sasuke there. Sasuke also wouldn't immediately use Susanoo, as he's still not used to it, and has no reason not to try fighting Naruto up close first with their rivalry. The same goes for Amaterasu, really. If you'd noticed at the bridge, Sasuke had also no problem clashing his Chidori with Naruto's Rasengan, even if lying, waiting to restore his chakra, or waiting for allies to come could have been done to avoid that clash.

Naruto might just never go near Sasuke and Shadow Clones are the worst technique for a limited Mangekyou user to face. Actually, Shadow Clones themselves are something Sasuke would figure he shouldn't waste his Mangekyou on. Once the clones use Sage Mode, Sasuke immediately loses for underestimating them. Susanoo doesn't need to be destroyed immediately, either. Like Goju said, Naruto just needs to punch it away and make Sasuke get exhausted. Once Sasuke loses track of Naruto, he'll lose due to Naruto's superior sensory and guerrilla tactics. Mangekyou doesn't last forever and neither do the reserves of Sasuke. By the time Sasuke learned how to use Susanoo correctly, his vision was fading quite a bit. Danzo isn't a chakra monster and doesn't use Shadow Clones to wear down an enemy.

Naruto wouldn't get the small amount of Kyuubi chakra he can control suppressed, as he has no need to look in the eyes of Sasuke. Story-wise, the main character also wouldn't get oneshot by Amaterasu, and Sasuke wouldn't use that against his former friend first. Toads also wear down Sasuke even more and the sages would be harder to focus Amaterasu on. Their physical abilities with Sage Mode would also be underestimated. One of the toads could also reverse summon Naruto in a surprise attack against Sasuke. Oh, and the moment Sasuke loses track of Naruto, Frog Song also beats Sasuke.

it was a combination of the bijuu chakra that blocked amaterasu, not just kuramas. Check the fight. Sasuke mentions this.

lol. Sasuke immediately went susanoo against danzo. So i think he could do it. Considering sasuke fought the kages, danzo and kakashi in a day with mostly susanoo. I would say a well rested sasuke could use susanoo a lot.

you are right, naruto doesn't have to use his eyes mostly, which is good, cuz SM naruto gets one shotted by genjutsu. But how long would that last, like i said, he has limited sage chakra.

then, he couldn't use kurama chakra and sage chakra at the same time. so, without sage chakra he would have to be looking at sasuke and could potentially get the chakra supressed. Also while he can control up to one tail chakra cloak, two tails upwards has him slowly losing it, this would end the battle for him as he could get careless.

Susanoo arrows are also very fast. Sasuke could use susanoo ribcage with enton shield to conserve energy an only go full susanoo to defend against rasenshuriken.

It all really boils down to susanoo and amaterasu. plus kirin could potentially be a game winner.

I really don't see naruto winning.

 

[Omar19992010]

War-Arc SM Naruto>MS Sasuke (Danzo fight)>=Pain Arc Sage Mode Naruto>>>>>>>Hebi Sasuke

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

War-Arc SM Naruto>MS Sasuke (Danzo fight)>=Pain Arc Sage Mode Naruto>>>>>>>Hebi Sasuke

What is war arc SM Naruto, he had KM then. it's like saying the last SM Naruto. It really means nothing.

Also by feats, war arc SM Naruto has not shown any feats that are improvements from pain arc SM naruto.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Sasuke still needs to be in range, use Amaterasu faster than SM Naruto weaves one hand seal, be in an open field, and somehow make Susanoo useful when Kabuto was shown to dodge the Susanoo arrow. Sasuke used Susanoo immediately against Danzo because Danzo badmouthed Itachi and effectively killed off his clan. He didn't fight Kakashi with Susanoo and only used it briefly. He also only used a full Susanoo briefly to take down the pillars at the Summit. SM Naruto wouldn't look at the eyes of Sasuke at all and doesn't need Sage Mode for long. All he has to do is use it for initial dodging, and then get out of Sasuke's sensory range. Kyuubi chakra and Sage Mode could be used at the same time, but only in a small amount like Naruto already showed during Pain Arc. He also wouldn't need to look at Sasuke while using Kyuubi chakra, as he just needs to use it initially to defend and then make clones that will distract Sasuke. Even if Amaterasu hit Naruto, Naruto would have the endurance to summon a thousand clones, and then his toads that would overwhelm Sasuke and protect Naruto.

Naruto in Sage Mode would also throw down a smoke bomb faster than Amaterasu is released. Didn't Zetsu also say in some panel that Sasuke couldn't beat Naruto? It's even debatable that Rasenshuriken can even be blocked by Susanoo, as Madara said "too much" and absorbed Rasenshuriken, instead of blocking with Susanoo. The big abilities aren't much of a factor when it was shown in all of their fights that they start with taijutsu, and that's where Sasuke loses. Sasuke's Amaterasu and Susanoo arrows won't take down Naruto before he hides himself and starts wearing down Sasuke.

 

[King Of Pop]

if its war arc sm naruto he would win. pein arc sm naruto tho loses mid dif against sasuke danzo and post danzo.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Madara had been thrown out of his susanoo. That had to be done as his susanoo would have tanked naruto's attack. Absorbing it was his only option.

Sasuke's amaterasu range is his eyesight. Amaterasu burns whatever it is targeted at. So unless naruto is leaving the battlefield in total, he is going to be in amaterasu range. Even in smoke bomb, sasuke can just leave, he has rinne hawk and can simply stay above naruto.

Naruto's only long range attack is rasenshuriken and that would be a waste of chakra in this situation as sasuke can just dodge or protect hawk with susanoo. meanwhile sasuke has a bunch of long range jutsu. He had susanoo activated for a while when facing kakashi, that was actually the furthest he had developed his susanoo. using any form of kyuubi chakra would disrupt naruto's clones gathering sage chakra.

Even with sage mode, he can still get hit, just need the right setup. kabuto fight already showed that. If amaterasu hits naruto, it is over, there is nothing in his SM arsenal that will help but he could sacrifice the body part like Ay i guess.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

You don't know that, as he could have simply been taken out of his Susanoo because he wouldn't be completely defeated, as he was an Edo Tensei.

Amaterasu's range is the databook range of 5 meters, I believe? Sasuke can't leave, or he's forfeiting the battle. The purpose of the smoke bomb for Naruto would be to summon more clones, toads, and set up Frog Song, which would eventually defeat Sasuke. Once Sasuke misses the first Amaterasu, he loses all chances of winning. I'd like to think characters can't run away as they're bloodlusted or have an objective to fulfill, unless stated otherwise in the topic.

Naruto has toads for long range attacks and I doubt Susanoo would fully protect the hawk, along with staying mobile. Actually, Sasuke probably won't ever get on the hawk, or fly away a reasonable distance. Naruto just needs to use the smoke bomb for an instant, and then use his superior Sage Mode speed to begin an offensive. Naruto having his clones disrupted doesn't matter, as he only needs that form of Sage Mode for a moment, and then can hide to gather more natural energy. Toads will fight while he does that and they can also utilize smoke bombs to protect themselves, or simply desummon themselves.

Naruto can sacrifice the body part, has more endurance with Sage Mode, and there's low chance Sasuke would start with Sage Mode and bypass Naruto's need to form a single hand seal. Obito's also shown the ability to sense Amaterasu being used, so Naruto has a bunch of time to summon clone shields, or use a smoke bomb.