SM Naruto vs Deidara

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you have to explain how deidara will get into the air.
explain how deidara will stop naruto's air assaults
explain how deidara pulls off c4 when he has to be stationary and hardly above the ground in order to puke it out
explain how c4 will kill naruto when he's going to sense the gigantic cloud of chakra, and has the ability to get rid of it and attack through it with clones.
Are you kidding? Deidara usually starts out with flying up, where he is pretty much unreachable for Naruto - except through FRS, but Deidara has shown extreme mid-air maneuverability so it poses little threat for him. Once he flies up, he can casually rain down bombs. Getting in the air is not a problem.

How will Deidara stop Naruto's air assaults? Exactly how many air assaults do you think that Naruto can do before he runs out of SM energy? Like I said, Deidara will already be in the air, so he will see Naruto clearly and just dodge them, just like he dodged Sasuke's Chidori Spear.

It takes no time to preform C4 and Naruto will be on the ground while Deidara will be on his C3 Dragon, and you want to talk about time. Why did Sasuke stand there and wait for Deidara to puke out his giant structure? It's because he was shocked. Naruto will do the same. He will be shocked at what Deidara is doing and just stand there for about 5 seconds until the structure is complete. It doesn't even take long for him to form it so I don't see why you are even talking about that.

This is the only valid counter that Naruto has, so I ask you, how will Naruto or rather, what does Naruto have besides 2 or 3 RS's that will surely miss and a few shadow clones that will be destroyed by lesser clay bombs? If he has his summons then they can help, not that it will matter. Those summons also get killed by the clay bombs. As a matter of fact, the summons can simply get killed by the C4 as they don't have SM like Naruto does, so it will be a failed effort for them to even fight.

You want to argue for speed, but since Deidara will mostly be in the air and the fact that he dodged Sasuke's shunshin blitz, it will hardly be a threat to him, since Pain was not even known for speed in the first place.

Like I said, Deidara will keep pushing Naruto until he runs out of SM and then it's over.
 
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Are you kidding? Deidara usually starts out with flying up, where he is pretty much unreachable for Naruto - except through FRS, but Deidara has shown extreme mid-air maneuverability so it poses little threat for him. Once he flies up, he can casually rain down bombs. Getting in the air is not a problem.
He didn't start flying up against Sasuke. Nor did he start flying up against omoi's squad, nor did he start flying up against itachi. Nor does the OP state that deidara starts flying up.

Deidara has not shown extreme maneuverability in the air, he got blitzed by both sai and sasuke while in the air. Dodging gaara's sand is not impressive when gaara's sand couldn't catch split muu, jouki boy and madara while they were fighting other characters in a desert.

Also, deidara can't rain down bombs unless he's close to naruto, as naruto will just dodge them if they are too far away.

How will Deidara stop Naruto's air assaults? Exactly how many air assaults do you think that Naruto can do before he runs out of SM energy? Like I said, Deidara will already be in the air, so he will see Naruto clearly and just dodge them, just like he dodged Sasuke's Chidori Spear.
Deidara barely dodged sasuke's chidori spear, and that was mainly due to sasuke himself having a very limited jumping range. Naruto in sennin mode can easily jump into the clouds, so can all naruto's boss summons, and naruto can simply summon a bunshin if he has to change direction or if he needs a second jump. Naruto can also just use tajuu kagebunshin and have them use rasengan variants, throw his bunshins or transform them into weapons and throw them.

Current Naruto can summon ma and pa for indefinite sennin mode so running out of chakra isn't a problem. Even if he couldn't summon them, he can just have one of his clone sit and gather natural energy while he and the rest fight deidara or protect it. Ma and Pa have shown wide spread katons, fuutons and even have a water laser that has a far greater reach than Sasuke's chidori spear.

It takes no time to preform C4 and Naruto will be on the ground while Deidara will be on his C3 Dragon, and you want to talk about time. Why did Sasuke stand there and wait for Deidara to puke out his giant structure? It's because he was shocked. Naruto will do the same. He will be shocked at what Deidara is doing and just stand there for about 5 seconds until the structure is complete. It doesn't even take long for him to form it so I don't see why you are even talking about that.
It's C2 dragon, Naruto has instantly shunshined hundreds of meters in order to blitz asura realm, Sasuke stood there and waited for deidara to puke the structure because he didn't want to rush into a jutsu that he doesn't have knowledge of. Naruto doesn't have this fear because of shadow clones.

This is the only valid counter that Naruto has, so I ask you, how will Naruto or rather, what does Naruto have besides 2 or 3 RS's that will surely miss and a few shadow clones that will be destroyed by lesser clay bombs? If he has his summons then they can help, not that it will matter. Those summons also get killed by the clay bombs. As a matter of fact, the summons can simply get killed by the C4 as they don't have SM like Naruto does, so it will be a failed effort for to even fight.
??? Naruto destroys C4 with FRS, he just expands the rasenshuriken enough so that it encompasses the dust cloud. Naruto tells his summons where to go or where not to go, Naruto can also just re-enter sennin mode or have one of his clones do it for him while inside of a summon's mouth. Nothing short of C3 is going to oneshot one of naruto's boss toads considering gamabunta could take direct hits from Shukaku's air bullets. Naruto can make as many clones as he wants in sennin mode, the only time he's restricted to 5 is when he has a clone gathering natural energy for sennin mode.

You want to argue for speed, but since Deidara will mostly be in the air and the fact that he dodged Sasuke's shunshin blitz, it will hardly be a treat to him, since Pain was not even known for speed in the first place.
Pain has way better speed feats than deidara on top of the fact that he has shared vision for boosted reactions. Sasuke's shunshin blitz was from 20-25 meters at best, Naruto's shunshin blitz was from hundreds of meters away. And unless the OP states deidara starts in the air, he doesn't.
 

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After such BS,, I feel the need to address how Naruto wrecks him

--Firstlly, Naruto is much faster than Deidara as the latter is never reacting to his speed at all whatsoever, seeing how from quite a significant distance,, he blitzed the , as SM Jiraiya shits on Deidara in terms of reflexes and reactions,

--Naruto can use his 3 boss summons that can travel hundreds of metres through their jumps and can use their summons to shorten the distance between deidara rather easily, as these summons alone are individually comparable to manda who tanked C0, which is deidaras strongest blow,

--Naruto can also use his FRS or Rasengan Variants to attack deidara and through the use of KB coordination, he is certainly landing them on deidara, as the attack is certainly killing him,

--Frog Katas can also be used at CQC, as well as Frog Call to paralyse deidara seeing how it managed to halt massive summons rather quickly,

--Naruto can close the distance rather quickly, and the fact that FRS has impressive speed to begin with, Deidara is not evading it, and even if he does, he would still get caught in its vast AOE,,

--In short, Deidara gets wrecked
 
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He didn't start flying up against Sasuke. Nor did he start flying up against omoi's squad, nor did he start flying up against itachi. Nor does the OP state that deidara starts flying up.

Deidara has not shown extreme maneuverability in the air, he got blitzed by both sai and sasuke while in the air. Dodging gaara's sand is not impressive when gaara's sand couldn't catch split muu, jouki boy and madara while they were fighting other characters in a desert.

Also, deidara can't rain down bombs unless he's close to naruto, as naruto will just dodge them if they are too far away.
1. He doesn't need to start in the air on his bird. I don't recall him starting off on his bird when he fought Gaara and Gaara was right in front of his face, and yet Deidara was able to take flight.

2. The only reason why you are fighting and trying to take away Deidara's accomplishment against Gaara is because you know it works against you. Deidara walked into Gaara's territory and singlehandedly took him down. Gaara's sand is not super fast but it's not super slow either and Gaara's sand has gotten faster since part 1. Deidara could easily launch some little creatures on the ground to grab Naruto from behind and explode just like with Kakashi's clone or even with Gaara. Stop underrating Deidara.

3. Implying that Deidara's bombs can't fly and follow Naruto? Do you even read the Gaara vs Deidara fight? He can create creatures that can also fly. You don't have to be close by and Deidara is know to be a long range fighter anyway, so your point is irrelevant.


Deidara barely dodged sasuke's chidori spear, and that was mainly due to sasuke himself having a very limited jumping range. Naruto in sennin mode can easily jump into the clouds, so can all naruto's boss summons, and naruto can simply summon a bunshin if he has to change direction or if he needs a second jump. Naruto can also just use tajuu kagebunshin and have them use rasengan variants, throw his bunshins or transform them into weapons and throw them.

Current Naruto can summon ma and pa for indefinite sennin mode so running out of chakra isn't a problem. Even if he couldn't summon them, he can just have one of his clone sit and gather natural energy while he and the rest fight deidara or protect it. Ma and Pa have shown wide spread katons, fuutons and even have a water laser that has a far greater reach than Sasuke's chidori spear.
1. While Naruto is "jumping into the clouds" <------lmao.. Deidara will be throwing clay bombs to slow down Naruto's momentum thus creating an opening to attack. How much time do you expect Naruto to have? Changing jumps? creating bunshins? He's in the middle of a fight dude with about 5 minutes. He doesn't have time to be jumping to the clouds and hiding in tress. Kage Bunshins will take up more energy and so will Odama Rasengans with clones. If that's the case then this makes it better for Deidara as when Naruto runs out of SM, his energy is all gone.

2. Summoning Ma and Pa would take time, which is time that he doesn't have, unless Ma and Pa is already with him? And SM Naruto could not fuse with Ma and Pa unless we are talking about "current SM Naruto" then that changes everything and I'm wasting my time with this debate. The op is not clear enough on which version so I will go with what I thought and say it's the Naruto that fought Pain.



It's C2 dragon, Naruto has instantly shunshined hundreds of meters in order to blitz asura realm, Sasuke stood there and waited for deidara to puke the structure because he didn't want to rush into a jutsu that he doesn't have knowledge of. Naruto doesn't have this fear because of shadow clones.
Naruto doesn't have any knowledge either so I guess his shadow clones will get destroyed if they try to "rush in"


??? Naruto destroys C4 with FRS, he just expands the rasenshuriken enough so that it encompasses the dust cloud. Naruto tells his summons where to go or where not to go, Naruto can also just re-enter sennin mode or have one of his clones do it for him while inside of a summon's mouth. Nothing short of C3 is going to oneshot one of naruto's boss toads considering gamabunta could take direct hits from Shukaku's air bullets. Naruto can make as many clones as he wants in sennin mode, the only time he's restricted to 5 is when he has a clone gathering natural energy for sennin mode.
How does FRS destroy microscopic bombs that are floating in the air?
As I recall, Naruto can only create 3 shadow clone while in SM, plus the clones he has on the battle field which equates to about six so he cannot just simple create how many that he likes or he will run out of chakra.



Pain has way better speed feats than deidara on top of the fact that he has shared vision for boosted reactions. Sasuke's shunshin blitz was from 20-25 meters at best, Naruto's shunshin blitz was from hundreds of meters away. And unless the OP states deidara starts in the air, he doesn't.
Pain has better speed feats than Deidara??? Can you show me those speed feats, and I don't want to see reaction feats of the linked Rinnegan because that doesn't count. Show me legit speed feats of Pain showing speed feats greater than Deidara, which is declared a 4.5 in the databook. And I think you are taking that Naruto speedblitz and that Sasuke speedblitz out of proportion. The fact that Sasuke was closer to his opponent means that Deidara had the worse speedblitz out of the two. Asura path, as you said, was about 100 or so meters away, which gave him more distance to react but didn't. If Deidara had that same distance that Ashura path did, I doubt it would have ended the same way for Deidara.
If I'm 5 meters away from you and you don't notice that I'm about to stab you but you somehow react to it, then you have shown better reaction feats than someone who somehow was 500 meters away from a bus going 70 mpr and somehow dodged it in time.

If this is current SM Naruto then I change my mind and he wins. If it is Pain arc SM Naruto then he loses mid-high diff.
 
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Frog song shits on foddeidara, or is Ma & Pa restricted? I haven't seen one single Frog song argument. Although i don't think it matters much, the only way deidara has a chance at defeating SM Naruto is with suicide bomb and he could easily avoid that by making a clone to replace him and just get out of Deidara's blast radius
 

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1. He doesn't need to start in the air on his bird. I don't recall him starting off on his bird when he fought Gaara and Gaara was right in front of his face, and yet Deidara was able to take flight.

2. The only reason why you are fighting and trying to take away Deidara's accomplishment against Gaara is because you know it works against you. Deidara walked into Gaara's territory and singlehandedly took him down. Gaara's sand is not super fast but it's not super slow either and Gaara's sand has gotten faster since part 1. Deidara could easily launch some little creatures on the ground to grab Naruto from behind and explode just like with Kakashi's clone or even with Gaara. Stop underrating Deidara.

3. Implying that Deidara's bombs can't fly and follow Naruto? Do you even read the Gaara vs Deidara fight? He can create creatures that can also fly. You don't have to be close by and Deidara is know to be a long range fighter anyway, so your point is irrelevant.
1) deidara flew to gaara, so he had a bird already made and gaara's sand attacks aren't even fast relative to people like sasuke

2) That's irrelevant if deidara could barely get away from sasuke. Current Gaara's sand should be even faster than his beginning of part 2 sand, yet he can't catch jouki boy, split muu or madara in a desert despite those three fighting other people. Those little creatures aren't doing anything to naruto, they get sensed and dealt with by clones or just laughed at considering SM Naruto's durability.

3) Deidara's bombs can fly and follow naruto, but he obviously needs to be within a certain range to control them, else why risk being so close to the ground against sasuke?


1. While Naruto is "jumping into the clouds" <------lmao.. Deidara will be throwing clay bombs to slow down Naruto's momentum thus creating an opening to attack. How much time do you expect Naruto to have? Changing jumps? creating bunshins? He's in the middle of a fight dude with about 5 minutes. He doesn't have time to be jumping to the clouds and hiding in tress. Kage Bunshins will take up more energy and so will Odama Rasengans with clones. If that's the case then this makes it better for Deidara as when Naruto runs out of SM, his energy is all gone.

2. Summoning Ma and Pa would take time, which is time that he doesn't have, unless Ma and Pa is already with him? And SM Naruto could not fuse with Ma and Pa unless we are talking about "current SM Naruto" then that changes everything and I'm wasting my time with this debate. The op is not clear enough on which version so I will go with what I thought and say it's the Naruto that fought Pain.
1) Deidara could barely react to Hebi sasuke jumping at him, he's not going to do anything offensively while naruto does that. Even if he has something magically prepped, naruto plows right through it with a senpou oodama/ chou oodam rasengan killing the foolish deidara who tried to attack instead of dodge as well. Naruto has already shown the ability to do all of that without problems, he's not going to be hiding in trees, and it's not even going to take him any time at all since he's much faster than deidara who gets caught in gaara's sand.

2) Summoning ma and pa wouldn't take time if naruto is using senjutsu to summon them, that's the whole reason why ma is able to instantly summon pa, naruto and the gamatrio. And naruto has tons of time to summon them, deidara can't do jack to naruto if naruto plays defensively. SM Naruto could fuse with ma and pa the moment naruto became friends with kurama, so that's war arc SM NAruto.



Naruto doesn't have any knowledge either so I guess his shadow clones will get destroyed if they try to "rush in"
um, they won't get destroyed if they try to rush in since we know that C4 isn't even a threat until its armed and dispursed. They obliterate deidara while the naruto stays safe and sound away.


How does FRS destroy microscopic bombs that are floating in the air?
As I recall, Naruto can only create 3 shadow clone while in SM, plus the clones he has on the battle field which equates to about six so he cannot just simple create how many that he likes or he will run out of chakra.
FRS destroys microscopic bombs floating in the air via even smaller microscopic attacks....
Naruto can make 3 shadow clones if he has 2 gathering natural energy for him this was explicitly stated as the reason for his clone limit. When the clones are gone, naruto has no clone limit, he can make as many as he want proven by when he made tons of them transform into rocks and wait to ambush deva. Proven also by him using tajuu kagebunshin while fighting kurama.



Pain has better speed feats than Deidara??? Can you show me those speed feats, and I don't want to see reaction feats of the linked Rinnegan because that doesn't count. Show me legit speed feats of Pain showing speed feats greater than Deidara, which is declared a 4.5 in the databook. And I think you are taking that Naruto speedblitz and that Sasuke speedblitz out of proportion. The fact that Sasuke was closer to his opponent means that Deidara had the worse speedblitz out of the two. Asura path, as you said, was about 100 or so meters away, which gave him more distance to react but didn't. If Deidara had that same distance that Ashura path did, I doubt it would have ended the same way for Deidara.
If I'm 5 meters away from you and you don't notice that I'm about to stab you but you somehow react to it, then you have shown better reaction feats than someone who somehow was 200 meters away from a bus going 70 mpr and somehow dodged it in time.
Sure, intercepting

the fact that deidara was getting blitzed by Sasuke while SM Naruto couldn't outright blitz the other paths.

Yeah, sasuke blitzing deidara while Naruto succeeding in blitzing the faster and much more reflexive pain from a much greater distance proves that Naruto would blitz deidara as well.

If this is current SM Naruto then I change my mind and he wins. If it is Pain arc SM Naruto then he loses mid-high diff.
 

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Sm Naruto no diff.
Edit. How in the world has this gone on for so long? Also are you actually trying to say that the Most Strongest Member of The Akatsuki, and the fastest, is slower then Deidara? What Is This Shit!
I see that everyone ignored my post of Pains Speed Feats.
 
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Food Cart Destroyer. Good game.

Also, as for you people saying Deidara is fast enough to dodge FRS on his bird, he may not be. If he's using the C2 Dragon, then FRS tears that thing down easy. If he's on that dinky little bird he used against Gaara, then he'll be able to dodge it. But, he won't have access to his stronger C2 attacks so he won't be able to harm Naruto with anything, unless he somehow gets C3 off. (Which gets destroyed by FRS before it explodes)
 

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Deidara mops people overrating da fk out of naruto shunshin Deidara isnt a slow poke he dodged sasuke shunshin from about 17 metors away once he takes flight gg
 

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i really can't believe people actually think deidara could beat sage mode naruto. it kinda funny, well it would be if it didn't mean their comprehension of the manga was subpar. they are not even in the same league. sage mode naruto takes this easy diff.
 
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