its not just CM. its not like base sasuke and naruto are equals. no one has given a reasonable reason. its just "naruto wins" but no one can explain why.
1v1 sasuke and naruto are basically equals. naruto has frog kata extending his reach but sasuke has a sword and his chidori variants extending his reach. id give it to sasuke on the pure fact that naruto can't look at sasuke or hes toast.
mid range goes to sasuke for his extensive speed feats and his shuriken feats. not to mention a large katon is able to counter all but naruto's largest frs's
long range again goes to sasuke because this would give him ample tome to prep a kill shot in kirin.
Kirin requires Sasuke preparation. Even more so without Amaterasu fueling up the atmosphere.
I don't see Shurikens or other weapons harming Naruto. He fell head on towards heavy spikes and tank it.
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FRS is one of the highest level and most powerful Futon Tech; the only Katon I see getting through is Enton.
Naruto can evade the reaches of long range ninjutsus or counter Raiton infused weapons by using Wind Chakra in his knives.
Naruto wins. Current Naruto has now unknown time limit when in SM. Not to mention that IF he runs out he can in seconds go back in SM. People need to stop using Pain arc SM feats for naruto since he has obviously developed by a margin. Frog katas kills sasuke in CQC. FRS kills him in long range.
Naruto speed in Sage Mode far exceeds Sasuke's. He could basically create clones and have them all do Oodama Rasengans. Besides, Naruto has Kurama in him against Genjutsu.
Naruto speed in Sage Mode far exceeds Sasuke's. He could basically create clones and have them all do Oodama Rasengans. Besides, Naruto has Kurama in him against Genjutsu.
He has reacted to much faster characters that this sasuke has ever faced
like how he "reacted" to madara? his only claim to fame is his evasion of the 3rd raikaga but that was a timing feat not a speed feat
Full knowledge? That means that he won't engage in CQC bedcause it's pretty much unaovidable
He has knowledge all he has to do is fight by looking at his feet or he can just break out
...Am I the only one who thinks you aren't giving a good rep for Sasuke fanbase?
-Lightning attacks can be countered by FRS. Katons are simply not enough for overpowering Naruto's fuuton and their scale can be easily dodged.
-In CQC, Naruto has the edge due to frog kata, speed enhancement, durability and sage perception. He does not have to contact with Sasuke to land hits, nagashi which did not kill base Naruto and get shrugged off later probably won't even daze Naruto much, who is incredibly durable in SM.
-Naruto can use rasengan barrage to overwhelm Sasuke and make things harder to evade due to diversions and scale.
-Outlasting is on Naruto's favor for obvious reasons.
-Kirin can't be prepared against someone who can move at high speeds and proceed to attack.
Hebi Sasuke isn't that superior to Base Naruto. But nonetheless, he is >>NAruto. SM Boost increase by a large margin. An example would be Naruto's base physical strength shown here when he broke out of petrified Preta Path.
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Here is the workings of SM Naruto's physical strength when a colossal enemies comes close to him.
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This is one of the key factors that makes Naruto very dangerous in close combat. I don't see how Sasuke can use Kenjutsu or Chidori Nagashi to defeat Naruto.
You're forgetting the important fact that sasuke has a lightning enpowered sword that can cut steel easily and a chidori lance he can swing from over 10 feet away. Meaning, naruto can't get hit or he loses a limb.
Ontop of that he has a sharingan allowing him to predict naruto's movements counteracting the advantages of naruto's SM.
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, we already see their predictive and reaction capabilities are comparable.
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we see it appears sasuke's above naruto - in that, naruto only started to gain the ability to do sasuke was doing all the while.
What makes it worse is that sasuke is already superior to naruto in speed, taijutsu, and kenjutsu (when they're both in base) and he also possesses the ability to take
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at naruto(yea i know that's MS, i can't be bothered to look for sharingan genjutsu scans). You then add on his speed, defence and strength boosts from CM V2, and naruto has no real advantage in SM. Yea, naruto broke Preta, and Frog kata'd preta, but sasuke tanked a
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like it was no big deal. Frog kata isn't even a problem.
Worst thing about all of this is that naruto only has 5 minutes to fight before he's panting in base and has to haphazardly attempt to enter SM again... while sasuke chasing him... without any frogs to help... while taking care to avoid genjutsu and chidori pot shots.
I don't know where all you guys got 'stomp' from, but I don't see it.
You're forgetting the important fact that sasuke has a lightning enpowered sword that can cut steel easily and a chidori lance he can swing from over 10 feet away. Meaning, naruto can't get hit or he loses a limb.
Ontop of that he has a sharingan allowing him to predict naruto's movements counteracting the advantages of naruto's SM.
From
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and
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, we already see their predictive and reaction capabilities are comparable.
While from
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we see it appears sasuke's above naruto - in that, naruto only started to gain the ability to do sasuke was doing all the while.
What makes it worse is that sasuke is already superior to naruto in speed, taijutsu, and kenjutsu (when they're both in base) and he also possesses the ability to take
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at naruto(yea i know that's MS, i can't be bothered to look for sharingan genjutsu scans). You then add on his speed, defence and strength boosts from CM V2, and naruto has no real advantage in SM. Yea, naruto broke Preta, and Frog kata'd preta, but sasuke tanked a
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like it was no big deal. Frog kata isn't even a problem.
Worst thing about all of this is that naruto only has 5 minutes to fight before he's panting in base and has to haphazardly attempt to enter SM again... while sasuke chasing him... without any frogs to help... while taking care to avoid genjutsu and chidori pot shots.
I don't know where all you guys got 'stomp' from, but I don't see it.
No I'm not ass pulling. Indeed he can't blitz, but his speed does increase in Sage Mode, even if just a little. His Sage Mode speed exceeds Sasuke's Level 2 Curse Mark. Remember how he defeated the first Pain who was attacking Tsunade? Speed is not an argument, but it's a considerable factor.
You're forgetting the important fact that sasuke has a lightning enpowered sword that can cut steel easily and a chidori lance he can swing from over 10 feet away. Meaning, naruto can't get hit or he loses a limb.
Ontop of that he has a sharingan allowing him to predict naruto's movements counteracting the advantages of naruto's SM.
First, Chidori Sharp Spear requires time to extend. Naruto can easily evade back.
Naruto can throw a smoke bomb either towards Sasuke or near himself. Notice that Nagato couldn't figure out what was going on. So it's unlikely that Sasuke would be able too.
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Then he charges towards Sasuke, using FRS as a pseudo-shield in a manner as he did against Kakuzu.
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Raiton Techs would dissipate against the FRS shield. Sasuke would charge towards Naruto. Using his 3-Tomoe Sharingan, he will try to evade the FRS and hit Naruto. What he wouldn't realize was that the Naruto he attacked is actually a Kage Bunshin decoy. Yes the Kage Bushin are able to use FRS due to two Kage Bushin hurling them towards Juubi's Wood Spikes.
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It's for that reason that Naruto can use a clone decoy with FRS or a Futon: Odama Rasengan. The real Naruto would already be up in the air, with a Kage Bushin to help create FRS, and hurl it downwards. The gravity should help increase the velocity of FRS.
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If he evades it, then the clones hurl the real Naruto down towards him, forcing Sasuke to use CQC against him. Naruto would use Frog Katas or Frog Kumites several times to bring him down, restrain him. And then aim this Rasengan on his face.
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, we already see their predictive and reaction capabilities are comparable.
While from
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we see it appears sasuke's above naruto - in that, naruto only started to gain the ability to do sasuke was doing all the while.
EMS Sasuke doesn't exist in this thread. SM doesn't give you the ability to predict like Sharingan does. The sharingan prediction can be countered by using this tech. This works mainly as a distraction and not a finisher.
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This will leave him open for a airborne FRS. The power of FRS, is that is destroys at a cellular level, severing chakra networks and is a guaranteed death-wish unless you have Susanoo or 3rd Raikages body. Not only that, Sasuke being off-guard would mean that he can't use his speed feat, leaving him trapped for the explosion.
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What makes it worse is that sasuke is already superior to naruto in speed, taijutsu, and kenjutsu (when they're both in base) and he also possesses the ability to take
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at naruto(yea i know that's MS, i can't be bothered to look for sharingan genjutsu scans). You then add on his speed, defence and strength boosts from CM V2, and naruto has no real advantage in SM. Yea, naruto broke Preta, and Frog kata'd preta, but sasuke tanked a
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like it was no big deal. Frog kata isn't even a problem.
He didn't tank the bomb. He dodged it by flying upwards as noted by Deidara.
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If Sasuke tries to use Raiton: Katana Blade on Naruto, he can either manipulate Natural Energy to break the sword without touching it. CM doesn't make you a true master of Senjutsu. Only people like Hashirama, Jiraiya, or Kabuto, and Juubito can see through Frog Katas.
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I never said it would be an immediate stomp through that technique. But Frog Katas are very dangerous, as the Preta Path who took it had to be revived via Naraka Path. Noticed that Naruto thought he was dead.
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@Bold: I haven't seen any scans supporting this.
Worst thing about all of this is that naruto only has 5 minutes to fight before he's panting in base and has to haphazardly attempt to enter SM again... while sasuke chasing him... without any frogs to help... while taking care to avoid genjutsu and chidori pot shots.
I don't know where all you guys got 'stomp' from, but I don't see it.
The time limit is extended by Naruto when was training in the Kage Summit. No, again I am not claiming a stomp. Honestly I'm not really good with debates here.
I just got back home. Sorry.
Anyways. First, I never claimed a stomp.
First, Chidori Sharp Spear requires time to extend. Naruto can easily evade back.
Naruto can throw a smoke bomb either towards Sasuke or near himself. Notice that Nagato couldn't figure out what was going on. So it's unlikely that Sasuke would be able too.
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Then he charges towards Sasuke, using FRS as a pseudo-shield in a manner as he did against Kakuzu.
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Raiton Techs would dissipate against the FRS shield. Sasuke would charge towards Naruto. Using his 3-Tomoe Sharingan, he will try to evade the FRS and hit Naruto. What he wouldn't realize was that the Naruto he attacked is actually a Kage Bunshin decoy. Yes the Kage Bushin are able to use FRS due to two Kage Bushin hurling them towards Juubi's Wood Spikes.
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It's for that reason that Naruto can use a clone decoy with FRS or a Futon: Odama Rasengan. The real Naruto would already be up in the air, with a Kage Bushin to help create FRS, and hurl it downwards. The gravity should help increase the velocity of FRS.
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If he evades it, then the clones hurl the real Naruto down towards him, forcing Sasuke to use CQC against him. Naruto would use Frog Katas or Frog Kumites several times to bring him down, restrain him. And then aim this Rasengan on his face.
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EMS Sasuke doesn't exist in this thread. SM doesn't give you the ability to predict like Sharingan does. The sharingan prediction can be countered by using this tech. This works mainly as a distraction and not a finisher.
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This will leave him open for a airborne FRS. The power of FRS, is that is destroys at a cellular level, severing chakra networks and is a guaranteed death-wish unless you have Susanoo or 3rd Raikages body. Not only that, Sasuke being off-guard would mean that he can't use his speed feat, leaving him trapped for the explosion.
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He didn't tank the bomb. He dodged it by flying upwards as noted by Deidara.
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If Sasuke tries to use Raiton: Katana Blade on Naruto, he can either manipulate Natural Energy to break the sword without touching it. CM doesn't make you a true master of Senjutsu. Only people like Hashirama, Jiraiya, or Kabuto, and Juubito can see through Frog Katas.
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I never said it would be an immediate stomp through that technique. But Frog Katas are very dangerous, as the Preta Path who took it had to be revived via Naraka Path. Noticed that Naruto thought he was dead.
Naruto isn't that bad when it comes to combat strategies. Not the best, but he is pretty good at tricking shinobis like Zabuza, Nagato, Kakuzu. Kakashi noted that Naruto's wits mainly comes from his mischievous pranks prior to being a graduate. It isn't immediate planning nor is it a really complicated attack.I only try to base it off of what he did in the manga; Naruto mainly does clone feints in similar ways; plus he can try to come up with counters by using clones.
No I'm not ass pulling. Indeed he can't blitz, but his speed does increase in Sage Mode, even if just a little. His Sage Mode speed exceeds Sasuke's Level 2 Curse Mark. Remember how he defeated the first Pain who was attacking Tsunade? Speed is not an argument, but it's a considerable factor.
Are people debating about speed? Well in that case let me tell you that Base Naruto already speedblitz'd MS Sasuke U_U SM Naruto's speed is comfortably above current Sasuke [when he's using speed!] Because when Naruto uses his speed, in KCM he's faster than Ay's v2, in BM he's faster than or almost equal to Minato's speedblitz [Yes Minato's sshunshin is better than Ay's U_U] and in BSM Naruto is even more faster when he's focusing on speed U_U
Are people debating about speed? Well in that case let me tell you that Base Naruto already speedblitz'd MS Sasuke U_U SM Naruto's speed is comfortably above current Sasuke [when he's using speed!] Because when Naruto uses his speed, in KCM he's faster than Ay's v2, in BM he's faster than or almost equal to Minato's speedblitz [Yes Minato's sshunshin is better than Ay's U_U] and in BSM Naruto is even more faster when he's focusing on speed U_U
Well, to be honest it depends on to which arc Naruto are you reffering to.
If Pain arc SM Naruto -> CM2 Sasuke mid-high diff
If Kages arc SM Naruto -> CM2 Sasuke extreme-high diff or tie
If Fourth word shinobi arc SM Naruto -> SM Naruto win high diff
If Juubi arc SM Naruto -> SM Naruto mid-high diff.
When he killed the first Pain, when he saved Sakura in front of Sasuke. Those scans you showed are already part 2 Sasuke. We're talking here about Curse Mark Level 2 Sasuke from the retrieval arc.
