[VS] SM Naruto vs Ay

[BenjerminGaye]

It's not the same, and you can't say it about Juugo. I'll put it as simple as I can so even you can understand:

Lee's 5th Gate initial strike: (

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). Result - blitz, Gaara completely failed to react.
Raikage's V1 dash: (

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). Result - Juugo reacted to the attack by successfully putting his guard up in time before Ay's hit connected with his chest.

The damage done to either of them is absolutely besides the point. If you really think those instances are the same, then there's nothing else I can say. You're either arguing for the sake of saving face or actually believe what you're saying.



You're talking about your late-game scan again, and completely ignore the one I posted. Gaara was getting wrecked and thought to himself that it's impossible to defend against such speed, he did not freaking react to it.

It's like you're not getting the point. Late game and early game matters not. Since if you can react you'd STILL react. We've seen it in kakashi vs hidan and kakaszu's masks. Despite hidan catching him off guard, attacking him head on, attacking in conjunction with the masks kakashi CONSISTENTLY reacted.

Juugo didn't consistently react, garra didn't consistently react. Them putting their guards up dosen't count.

Are you helping me with my argument, or something? This just proves my point that Gaara was never able to react to Lee. For crying out loud, this quote here basically says that you're arguing that Gaara somehow reacted to 5th Gate Lee when he couldn't even react to base Lee. Lol

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Straw man argument at its finest. I don't even know how to argument against a guy saying that Juugo being hit while completely off guard, thinking that Raikage died for sure is a considered a failure in a proper 1v1 reaction. Why would he need to react to an attack from a dead man? Smh.

if he could truly react to him he'd know I'd he was dead or not. If his eyes could actually follow ay he'd know if his attack that "killed him" actually hit or not now wouldn't he?

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You're saying CS1 Juugo = CS2 Juugo now? You're too much, dude.

And V2 dosen't improve reaction speed. So in terms of reactions v1=v2.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Here's another example if you're still not getting the point:

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Guard up, still got kicked in the face. Then lee flat of says he can't react. Later on that same chapter

 

[KidGamer65]

Them putting their guards up dosen't count.

Lol, this is gold. You are basically telling me that reacting means that they didn't react. Do you realize how that sounds? Ridiculous, that's how it sounds.

1. You say it's not a true reaction feat...based on nothing. He got tossed away because even though he blocked Ay's hit, the force behind it was great enough to toss him away. Is that not a reaction feat? Lol. Drop this whole argument. Your Gaara example is terrible considering Lee was above Gaara, then Gaara raised his arm, THEN Lee charged at him top speed hence the blur, and knocked him into the ground. So Gaara didn't react in any way, shape, or form.

2. Ay charges at Jugo+Jugo puts up his guard and reacts=Jugo reacted. It's that simple. The fact your only counter argument is another manga panel which has only been misread to try and disprove the factual definition and example of a reaction only shows how weak the argument was to begin with.

if he could truly react to him he'd know I'd he was dead or not. If his eyes could actually follow ay he'd know if his attack that "killed him" actually hit or not now wouldn't he?

Then there's this. The cover of the blast makes it harder for Jugo to keep his eyes on the Raikage. Combine that with the fact that he barely reacted to begin with and you come to the obvious conclusion that this doesn't cheapen his feat.

Hell, the sheer fact that there is a clear cut panel of him reacting pretty much ends this debate.

V2 doesn't increase reaction speed? When you use the armor your reaction speed goes up due to your nerve transmission becomes faster. V2 is basically that same armor but being used at maximum power, so all it's effects on the Raikage's nerves should go up as well, as that is how he gets faster in the first place.

And then we have your latest scan...which is you misinterpreting the manga once again. "You can't react" is obviously directed towards the only time where Lee actually blitzed him with no reaction. Lee goes on about how the Sharingan lets Sasuke predict his move, but it won't change anything if Sasuke's body is too slow to react. He only had Sharingan on for ONE clash. So Lee was obviously referring to that clash and that clash alone.

Then there's the fact that he factually reacted. No amount of twisting of the facts will change that. If Lee kicks at him, and he puts up a guard, he reacted whether or not that guard failed or not. You don't even have a good reason as to why "It doesn't count".

 

[Ambivalence]

Late game and early game matters not. Since if you can react you'd STILL react.

Exactly, Lol. Gaara was never able to react, Juugo reacted to Ay and then got blitzed out of nowhere because he thought the Raikage was dead. It's that simple.

We've seen it in kakashi vs hidan and kakaszu's masks. Despite hidan catching him off guard, attacking him head on, attacking in conjunction with the masks kakashi CONSISTENTLY reacted.

Another fail analogy. Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan played dead and suddenly launched a supersonic attack against Kakashi out of nowhere. Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan wrecked Kakashi so bad that the only thing he could do was do some pathetic guard in desperation, which is what Gaara did. It's completely different from reacting to an attack.

garra didn't consistently react.

True, he was never able to.

Juugo didn't consistently react

False, he canonically reacted to and blocked V1 Ay's attack. It's like you're expecting attacks out of nothing to be countered effortlessly, Lol. I'm pretty sure anyone below JJ level would get hit by an attack out of nowhere, let alone Juugo.

Them putting their guards up dosen't count.

Hahahaha. This is where you lost me. Lol Apparently a reaction =/= a reaction.

if he could truly react to him he'd know I'd he was dead or not. If his eyes could actually follow ay he'd know if his attack that "killed him" actually hit or not now wouldn't he?

No: (

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). It was a blinding blast that Ay avoided at the last moment, and since he wasn't in Juugo's immediate viewing vicinity he assumed he got obliterated by his attack. The only one who could sense Raikage was still alive was Karin, since she was surveying the whole area with her sensor ability.

And V2 dosen't improve reaction speed. So in terms of reactions v1=v2.

By your words, didn't V1 Juugo fail to react to base Bee? And yet, V2 Juugo reacted and blocked V1 A's attack?

I'm gonna trust canon material instead of your baseless opinion that you like to throw around.

 

[DarkStar1]

Naruto med diff.