[VS] SM Naruto vs Ay

[Ambivalence]

Lol. Didn't 3T Sasuke manage to avoid Ay's attack and hit him with a regular Chidori? SM Naruto does the same, only he uses an SM Rasengan which would be sufficient to get through Ay's armour, not to mention he can aim at the head for an instant K.O. He can also make a clone and do the same with a Rasen-Shuriken this time, and pretty much take down Ay along with his clone, since War Arc SM Naruto's clone took down the 3rd Raikage alone, with some intel.

Ay isn't winning any scenario.

 

[Bronze]

Still polluting the forums I see....

Why are you talking about yourself like that?

Didn't he blitz two other people before he blitzed Naruto too?

I only remember Naruto and Sai to be blitzed.

 

[Ambivalence]

^ This guy and his infinite idiocy... Lol

Keep at it, only Draegod is a match for you in that field.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

V2 Ay wins mid-high diff

 

[Xlad]

Naruto wins both scenario.

 

[Raykyryn]

Naruto wins both

 

[Lariatoo]

With so many restrictions Ay wins all.

 

[LuckyMan]

^ This guy and his infinite idiocy... Lol

Keep at it, only Draegod is a match for you in that field.

You didn't counter his point though, but I'll leave you two at it.

As for your post on this page, A didn't even combine shunshin with his attack on Sasuke. He lunged at him with his elbow (like the Third Raikage did to Naruto with Nukite) and Sasuke ducked so I wouldn't use that as a testament of V1 A max speed because we know in V1, KCM Naruto couldn't get past him at first. So if V1 A actually blitzes him, (not step up and throws his elbow) the odds of him surviving and reacting in time enough to make a clone then form Rasengan before hes hit is just not happening especially when we consider A can land his punches before he can make Shadow Clones. Note he is shocked Bee saved him and his two fingers are still in the seal formation.

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[Ambivalence]

You didn't counter his point though, but I'll leave you two at it.

I don't need to counter his ''point'', since if you followed the VS section long enough you'd know that he's just a bad excuse for a troll. No thank you on arguing.

As for your post on this page, A didn't even combine shunshin with his attack on Sasuke. He lunged at him with his elbow (like the Third Raikage did to Naruto with Nukite) and Sasuke ducked so I wouldn't use that as a testament of V1 A max speed because we know in V1, KCM Naruto couldn't get past him at first. So if V1 A actually blitzes him, (not step up and throws his elbow) the odds of him surviving and reacting in time enough to make a clone then form Rasengan before hes hit is just not happening especially when we consider A can land his punches before he can make Shadow Clones. Note he is shocked Bee saved him and his two fingers are still in the seal formation.

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I really don't know why you're bringing up a version of Naruto that lacks the sensing of Sage Mode, something that is roughly equivalent to Sasuke's 3T precognition, which is why KCM Naruto was completely surprised and would've gotten blitzed by Ay's attacks. You don't even know how fast V1 with Body Flicker is, there's no guarantee it would actually blitz SM Naruto and there's also no guarantee Ay will just do that right off the bat, not to mention I'm having difficulty accepting V1 Ay to be faster than the Third Raikage's full speed, who SM Naruto canonically beat with a single clone and a Rasengan.

I'm willing to accept he loses to V2 Ay, but there's no chance V1 is winning. Regarding scenario 2, I agree with KG:

Ay can win S2 if he can blitz Naruto w/ no reaction. If he can't, then Naruto simply blocks the hit and after he gathers himself he forms clones and it's only downhill for Ay.

 

[LuckyMan]

I really don't know why you're bringing up a version of Naruto that lacks the sensing of Sage Mode, something that is roughly equivalent to Sasuke's 3T precognition, which is why KCM Naruto was completely surprised and would've gotten blitzed by Ay's attacks.

He can sense ill or dangerous emotions (or something like that) in KCM so he was expecting A's attack but as the manga showed, he would have gotten hit before he could form one handseal. His perception to danger in SM is higher than in KCM but that doesn't mean in SM he'll gain the reflex and reaction speed to dodge said attack because that would be saying SM reactions and reflexes > KCM reaction and reflexes.

You don't even know how fast V1 with Body Flicker is, there's no guarantee it would actually blitz SM Naruto and there's also no guarantee Ay will just do that right off the bat, not to mention I'm having difficulty accepting V1 Ay to be faster than the Third Raikage's full speed, who SM Naruto canonically beat with a single clone and a Rasengan.

The manga has shown that V1 A with shunshin can blitz Madara and knock him back, who blitzed SM Naruto and knocked him back. See, Third Raikage didn't use his full speed against Naruto as he wasn't trying to kill him. All he did was leap at Naruto but for some reason some people think thats his "shunshin" or "max speed".

 

[KidGamer65]

The manga has shown that V1 A with shunshin can blitz Madara and knock him back, who blitzed SM Naruto and knocked him back. See, Third Raikage didn't use his full speed against Naruto as he wasn't trying to kill him. All he did was leap at Naruto but for some reason some people think thats his "shunshin" or "max speed".

Dude...no.

1. Ay's words make it more likely that he used his max speed. He said that he needed more speed to crush his guard. Why say that if he can go faster?

2. Using Edo Madara as proof doesn't work since Edo Madara broke out of his restraints the moment he was revived, meaning Alive Madara should have superior physical abilities.

3. V1 Ay blitzing SM Naruto is a joke considering Jugo reacted to and blocked his Shunshin blitz attempt.

Lol.

 

[Ambivalence]

He can sense ill or dangerous emotions (or something like that) in KCM so he was expecting A's attack but as the manga showed

There is no such thing, what you're referring to is him sensing ''evil presence'', as he puts it (

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), it has nothing to do with attack precognition.

His perception to danger in SM is higher than in KCM but that doesn't mean in SM he'll gain the reflex and reaction speed to dodge said attack because that would be saying SM reactions and reflexes > KCM reaction and reflexes.

By Naruto's words (

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) his Sage Mode is faster and allows him to better sense the enemy. SM's reaction is better, KCM's speed is better, that's all there is to it. It's already canon that using just one of these Naruto avoided and countered a thrust from a high-speed enemy. I still don't understand why you think SM Naruto will fail to react to V1 Ay, when not only was it outright stated his sensing is far better but also KCM Naruto was the one who was almost blitzed by V2 Ay, not SM.

The manga has shown that V1 A with shunshin can blitz Madara and knock him back, who blitzed SM Naruto and knocked him back.

When did V1 Ay blitz Madara? If you're talking about this (

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) then it's pretty evident Madara not only reacted but also managed to form a block against his hit (

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), and that was Rinnegan Madara with no precognition and no SM. Ay also admitted that he countered him despite his speed (

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). Also, for the latter half of the fight, Ay fought in V2 and the only other time he surprised Madara was when Onoki further increased his speed by lightening his body.

As for the second point, it was SM Madara who blitzed SM Naruto, not Edo Madara, who also didn't get blitzed by Ay anyway, so that analogy of yours is completely irrelevant.

See, Third Raikage didn't use his full speed against Naruto as he wasn't trying to kill him. All he did was leap at Naruto but for some reason some people think thats his "shunshin" or "max speed".

There's no evidence that just because Kabuto restricted Raikage from killing Naruto he intentionally moved slower. The Raikage could still blitz Naruto and not kill him, don't see where's the problem in that. You're saying that a blitz = a kill, which is not true. He was going to hack off the limbs off Naruto, which he could do with his top speed - except he couldn't, because of Naruto's SM.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't consider jugo putting his guard up a actual reaction feat. Since not only did he still get sent two feet into the wall, he failed to do it again.

It's the equivalent of saying garra can react to 5th gate lee cuz he put his guard up but lee still sent him into the floor.

 

[Ambivalence]

I don't consider jugo putting his guard up a actual reaction feat.

I'm reading this sentence again and again and I still can't understand how you thought it made sense. Do you even understand what a blitz is? Here are some examples: (

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). In all of those instances, the victims failed to react - the usual reaction to any attack is either a block or a dodge. Since Juugo managed to block in time (

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), it is an adequate reaction feat, anything beyond this is irrelevant. The only reason he failed to react the second time was because he thought the Raikage was already dead.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm reading this sentence again and again and I still can't understand how you thought it made sense. Do you even understand what a blitz is? Here are some examples: (

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)(

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). In all of those instances, the victims failed to react - the usual reaction to any attack is either a block or a dodge. Since Juugo managed to block in time (

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), it is an adequate reaction feat, anything beyond this is irrelevant. The only reason he failed to react the second time was because he thought the Raikage was already dead.

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5th gate lee hits garra despite garra putting his arm up to block. That's a reaction feat according to you. Since he shouldn't even be able to do that if lee blitzed him.


And the same guy you said reacted failed to react when he did it again:

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Buy hey continue making conclusions based off the first sentence. It shows your attention to detail.

 

[Ambivalence]

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5th gate lee hits garra despite garra putting his arm up to block. That's a reaction feat according to you. Since he shouldn't even be able to do that if lee blitzed him.

Lol, seriously? That was just Gaara randomly protecting his face and chest, it is completely different from Juugo's reaction to an attack coming his way. Gaara's ''block'' would be a reaction feat if he visibly acknowledged Lee's first assault and either put a up a Sand Shield or a basic hand block, instead of getting pummeled left and right before he could even know what's going on. I like how you conveniently ignored Gaara getting blitzed by 5th Gate Lee at the start of the fight (

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), but instead posted some fail scan to protect your weak argument.

If you're trying to troll me then just stop.

And the same guy you said reacted failed to react when he did it again:

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Buy hey continue making conclusions based off the first sentence. It shows your attention to detail.

Oh, the irony..:

The only reason he failed to react the second time was because he thought the Raikage was already dead.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol, seriously? That was just Gaara randomly protecting his face and chest,

wow bro. That's weak. I could say the same exact thing about jugo.

it is completely different from Juugo's reaction to an attack coming his way.

it's the same. They both put up their grads and both still got their chest caved in.

Gaara's ''block'' would be a reaction feat if he visibly acknowledged Lee's first assault and either put a up a Sand Shield or a basic hand block,

He did acknowledge it. He even called it inhuman. Whereas jugo only "!" And as for bold we already know garra's sand can't keep up the moment the weights came off. So he does the underline in the very same scan which you tried to disregard as"randomly protecting his face" lmfao.

instead of getting pummeled left and right before he could even know what's going on. I like how you conveniently ignored Gaara getting blitzed by 5th Gate Lee at the start of the fight (

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), but instead posted some fail scan to protect your weak argument.

I actually didn't. Infact garra was getting blitzed even before the gates opened, once the weights came off garra was failing to react to lee.

If you're trying to troll me then just stop.



Oh, the irony..:

There's nothing ironic about it. His mind state dosen't matter if he's able to consistently react. Which he isn't since in both cases he still got hit.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Matter of fact scratch all of that.
If juugo could truly react to V1 Ay he'd know if he killed him or not.

But the fact of the matter is juugo can't even follow base b.

 

[Ambivalence]

wow bro. That's weak. I could say the same exact thing about jugo.

it's the same. They both put up their grads and both still got their chest caved in.

It's not the same, and you can't say it about Juugo. I'll put it as simple as I can so even you can understand:

Lee's 5th Gate initial strike: (

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). Result - blitz, Gaara completely failed to react.
Raikage's V1 dash: (

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). Result - Juugo reacted to the attack by successfully putting his guard up in time before Ay's hit connected with his chest.

The damage done to either of them is absolutely besides the point. If you really think those instances are the same, then there's nothing else I can say. You're either arguing for the sake of saving face or actually believe what you're saying.

He did acknowledge it. He even called it inhuman. Whereas jugo only "!" And as for bold we already know garra's sand can't keep up the moment the weights came off. So he does the underline in the very same scan which you tried to disregard as"randomly protecting his face" lmfao.

You're talking about your late-game scan again, and completely ignored the one I posted. Gaara was getting wrecked and thought to himself that it's impossible to defend against such speed and put up a random block, he did not freaking react to it.

I actually didn't. Infact garra was getting blitzed even before the gates opened, once the weights came off garra was failing to react to lee.

Are you helping me with my argument, or something? This just proves my point that Gaara was never able to react to Lee. For crying out loud, this quote here basically says that you're arguing that Gaara somehow reacted to 5th Gate Lee when he couldn't even react to base Lee. Lol

There's nothing ironic about it. His mind state dosen't matter if he's able to consistently react. Which he isn't since in both cases he still got hit.

Straw man argument at its finest. I don't even know how to argument against a guy saying that Juugo being hit while completely off guard, thinking that Raikage died for sure is a considered a failure in a proper 1v1 reaction. Why would he need to react to an attack from a dead man? Smh.

If juugo could truly react to V1 Ay he'd know if he killed him or not.

Addressed above.

But the fact of the matter is juugo can't even follow base b.

You're saying partial CS1 Juugo = fully transformed CS2 Juugo now? You're too much, dude.

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto is no match for V2 Ay.