Sm naruto takes 4th raikage high diff! (im turnt up) manga supported

[blackstar9]

Actually you can when you have dramatically increased reflexes along with super danger sensing which sage mode provides.

I disagree minato . who had the best reflexes and instant movement bairly dodged ay punch . but sm naruto will ? i doubt it but we can agree to disagree

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

i didnt really talk about Ay because his arsenal and style is very basic.. its straight forward taijutsu and speed, i didnt know people really needed an elaboration on Ays abilities... and its not one sided i provided counters for sm naruto and i even say how Ay can still manage to dodge his attacks..

true. My main issue with this fight is the fact that it feels designed more for Naruto.
Two fighters do not have the same fighting style. Both the third Raikage and the fourth favored taijutsu but you have to remember the third raikage didn't care if he got hit since he can tank a FRS.
I doubt Ei could do that at his dads level so he set his fighting style up so he could dodge if his attacked missed and his opponent countered. Ei goes for the one shot kills so depending on the distance Naruto might not be able to stay still to collect the charka to enter sage mode the first time or a second time.
Thats the only real problem I had

 

[blackstar9]

we arnt limiting A we know full well of his skills and the danger of going up against him.. its just Naruto has what it takes to win... obviously it wont always be the same outcome but that isnt the case of this thread...

Of course with A's speed he can avoid Narutos attack such as rasenshuriken.. however for A to do any damage at all he has to get close... and naruto can sence this and take full advantage of it

sm naruto is to fast to approach ? cause 6 paths got close . and their speed is nowhere near a speed !

 

[Sennin of Logic]

sm speed over v1 ay speed ? and sensing something doesnt automatically mean you can stop it or dodge it

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Yes, he's faster than V1. Any difference between A and 3rd raikage would be minor since they use the exact same jutsu. V2 is a different story though.

Sensing goes a long way. Sasuke managed to pwn Naruto with 9 tails chakra because of precog sensing, despite the huge difference between the 2.

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By seeing how chakra enters Naruto's body, Sasuke was able to predict Naruto's attack, and utterly outclass him despite the fact that he was much slower than him. It even helped him against Naruto's one-tail form.

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This is how Uchiha have been keeping up with KCM Naruto. Except, in Naruto's case, he doesn't see chakra, he feels it. However, he's shown to have immense precision in his sensing abilities.

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He was able to specifically look for a specific chakra among God knows how many people. I'd say he'd be able to predict to a certain degree. However, it's not simply predicting, his body wouldn't be outclassed by an immense margin either.

I don't think he can dodge, but A'd have to be ridiculously faster than SM Naruto in order to run up to him and manage to land a hit without Naruto being able to block. And he wouldn't due to the fact that he's => his V1 speed. Also, frog kumute would make up for what he'd lack in reach even if he couldn't bring his arms up.

 

[Lucidus]

I disagree minato . who had the best reflexes and instant movement bairly dodged ay punch . but sm naruto will ? i doubt it but we can agree to disagree

there is a difference... minato performed various actions before dodging... for example throwing a kunai... and minato evaded through pure reflex

this isnt the case for naruto... naruto can sence when A is going to attack... and thus can anticipate allowing naruto to dodge alot easier

also do not forget Naruto's stamina and sturdiness while in sage mode

 

[Prince Charles]

true. My main issue with this fight is the fact that it feels designed more for Naruto.
Two fighters do not have the same fighting style. Both the third Raikage and the fourth favored taijutsu but you have to remember the third raikage didn't care if he got hit since he can tank a FRS.
I doubt Ei could do that at his dads level so he set his fighting style up so he could dodge if his attacked missed and his opponent countered. Ei goes for the one shot kills so depending on the distance Naruto might not be able to stay still to collect the charka to enter sage mode the first time or a second time.
Thats the only real problem I had

Two fighters do not have the same fighting style. Both the third Raikage and the fourth favored taijutsu but you have to remember the third raikage didn't care if he got hit since he can tank a FRS.

Thats why Ay sacrificed his arm against amaterasu? he didnt care about amaterasu touching him..

 

[Lucidus]

sm naruto is to fast to approach ? cause 6 paths got close . and their speed is nowhere near a speed !

hmm read carefully next time.. i never said SM naruto was to fast to approach... i said his sencing abilities allow him to dodge easier and predict and anticipate A's movements

 

[Sennin of Logic]

ide have to disagree here... the chidori itself has better peircing power than the rasengan however the rasengan sends a shockwave through the body or the tank in this case

Chidori made a bigger hole than ransengan. That means that Ransengan has more concentration to a small spot than chidori. This wears off the greater the distance though.

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[Lucidus]

Chidori made a bigger hole than ransengan. That means that Ransengan has more concentration to a small spot than chidori. This wears off the greater the distance though.

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the properties of the rasengan isnt made for pericing where as the lightning element that the chidori has makes it perfect for piericing

the rasengan doesn peirce but more so 'grinds' and then the explosive impact ressonate through out the person or 'tank' in this case...

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

Two fighters do not have the same fighting style. Both the third Raikage and the fourth favored taijutsu but you have to remember the third raikage didn't care if he got hit since he can tank a FRS.

Thats why Ay sacrificed his arm against amaterasu? he didnt care about amaterasu touching him..

There is a difference Ay knew he would lose an arm against the attack but wanted to avenge his brother be.
The third Raikage on the other hand could tanked the most powerful wind style created so he could take most enemies attacks.
See the difference. However I believe that SM Naruto 8 out of 10 times.

 

[blackstar9]

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Yes, he's faster than V1. Any difference between A and 3rd raikage would be minor since they use the exact same jutsu. V2 is a different story though.

Sensing goes a long way. Sasuke managed to pwn Naruto with 9 tails chakra because of precog sensing, despite the huge difference between the 2.

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By seeing how chakra enters Naruto's body, Sasuke was able to predict Naruto's attack, and utterly outclass him despite the fact that he was much slower than him. It even helped him against Naruto's one-tail form.

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This is how Uchiha have been keeping up with KCM Naruto. Except, in Naruto's case, he doesn't see chakra, he feels it. However, he's shown to have immense precision in his sensing abilities.

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He was able to specifically look for a specific chakra among God knows how many people. I'd say he'd be able to predict to a certain degree. However, it's not simply predicting, his body wouldn't be outclassed by an immense margin either.

I don't think he can dodge, but A'd have to be ridiculously faster than SM Naruto in order to run up to him and manage to land a hit without Naruto being able to block. And he wouldn't due to the fact that he's => his V1 speed. Also, frog kumute would make up for what he'd lack in reach even if he couldn't bring his arms up.

ay speed over 3rd raikage speed . so im not sure that scan proves your point . frog kumite doesnt block for you . And what speed feats does sm naruto have compared to ay speed ?

 

[Murasame]

no naruto never summoned ma or pa

I'm pretty sure he can since he has a contract with the Toads meaning he can summon any toad.. I'm sure this was stated in a scan but I'd have to look for it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

the properties of the rasengan isnt made for pericing where as the lightning element that the chidori has makes it perfect for piericing

the rasengan doesn peirce but more so 'grinds' and then the explosive impact ressonate through out the person or 'tank' in this case...

I dunno. It's the same energy that's more concentrated, so I'd think that it could get though just as easily as chidori. I'm not really holding to ransengan>Chidori in piercing, I'm just pointing out that it would be likely that it could get through lighting armor just as easily.

 

[Prince Charles]

There is a difference Ay knew he would lose an arm against the attack but wanted to avenge his brother be.
The third Raikage on the other hand could tanked the most powerful wind style created so he could take most enemies attacks.
See the difference. However I believe that SM Naruto 8 out of 10 times.

while i agree fact still remains that Ay still lost an arm making himself vulnerable, But i still see what your saying.


EDIT: im going to log off for a bit and work out a little bit ill be back on later.

 

[Optimistic]

That butthurt guy in page 1 and 2 was funny.Nice thread enjoyed reading as well seeing that signature.XD

 

[Sennin of Logic]

ay speed over 3rd raikage speed . so im not sure that scan proves your point . frog kumite doesnt block for you . And what speed feats does sm naruto have compared to ay speed ?

Where's it stated that A's V1 is faster than 3rd's V1? Since nothing in the manga states this, I'd assume that since they use the same technique, there speed using it is equal. V2 is a different story.

Naruto had already compared the 3rd's V1 speed to A's, so it's pretty much equal. There's no way A's faster in any significant way in V1.

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The fact that A's the one he first thought of would indicate that their speeds are close if not equal in V1.

 

[Lucidus]

I dunno. It's the same energy that's more concentrated, so I'd think that it could get though just as easily as chidori. I'm not really holding to ransengan>Chidori in piercing, I'm just pointing out that it would be likely that it could get through lighting armor just as easily.

hehe of course the rasengan woudl get through the raiton armor ^^ the rasengan would shred through that xD but ye i just wanted to point out the different properties between the 2 techs xD

 

[-Punk-]

A is a joke Minato soled his arse & wasn't even serious , of course Naruto has this

 

[Sennin of Logic]

hehe of course the rasengan woudl get through the raiton armor ^^ the rasengan would shred through that xD but ye i just wanted to point out the different properties between the 2 techs xD

Well, it wouldn't shed through it, it'd break it down for a second like Chidori, but a SM ransengan would shred it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

A is a joke Minato soled his arse & wasn't even serious , of course Naruto has this

That's ABC logic. That doesn't count.