SM Minato vs DSM Kabuto

[Curse Mark]

Kabuto lacks feats of creating spikes in a flat environment like this one. You're just assuming he can.

Is this a joke? The jutsu works by putting senjutsu chakra into abiotic things and controlling them. I'm sorry, is the earth any different than the inside of the cave? Do you have any proof he can only do it in a cave? There's no logical argument as to why the nonliving earth is any different than the nonliving cave floor/ceiling.

@Naruto x Man

I am sorry, correct me if I am wrong, but did you say Minato uses TBB at KCM level, when even Naruto has shown nothing but worthless mini-tbbs once - or most probably twice - in this mode?

Yeah that's why i said the thing i said. He said that indeed.

So, I take it you have a very good counter to FTG? Seeing as you apparently don't grasp at straws, how's kabuto stopping minato from FTG dodging everything?

I'm still slightly open to Minato somehow winning. Any idea what he does after he teleports?

Rofl. Kabuto will shed skin to get rid of a seal bound to his chakra. why didn't obito use omnyoudon to nullify the seal then? Why didn't Orochimaru's oral rebirth remove the seal hiruzen placed on his arms? Why didn't obito, getting blown up by konan, lose the seal placed on him? Why didn't mindless juubito lose the seal tobirama placed on him after blowing half his body off?

And minato fans are the ones grasping at straws?

yeah why didn't obito murder himself to remove the seals guys huh? No argument checkmate hand in your resignations from NB

 

[~Sky~]

Minato has his chances, since he has permanent SM on his side with Ma and Pa.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Minato's actually disappeared, Tobirama's didn't. Which is quite the plot-hole. Seal is nothing but made out of Chakra. Since the skin is shed, it should get rid of the seal as well, unless you have prove that the seal somehow seeps in and adheres to all layers of the body, when that doesn't seem to be the case.

FTG is not the same as Hizuren's seal. Please, don't compare the two. If that ain't grasping at straws ...

The seal never disappears. It only took obito completely transforming his entire body structure, chakra, everything to remove the seal. Tobirama's stayed because juubito had the same body/chakra throughout(at the time the seal was placed). It's not an ordinary marking or else it wouldn't work on juubito, nor would it last forever. Clearly it locks itself onto the target otherwise it would disappear on people like bee who've gone through a plethora of transformations or obito whose body is made up with zetsu cells

I'm still slightly open to Minato somehow winning. Any idea what he does after he teleports?



yeah why didn't obito murder himself to remove the seals guys huh? No argument checkmate hand in your resignations from NB

He preps ma and pa's frog genjutsu. Kabuto gets trapped in it at which point minato slaps some seals on him. Without chakra he can't heal, rebirth or anything and he's susceptible to death. That's one way since i'm not really in the mood for a long argument.

What? That doesn't even make sense. Obito got his body blasted in half, reformed(when he got control) and all sorts of shit, but the seal didn't disappear. Konan blew half his body off but the seal didn't disappear.

 

[Penguin]

The Hiraishin mark is a Fuuinjutsu, not a Ninjutsu, so it cannot be absorbed. It is not made of chakra.

 

[Curse Mark]

The seal never disappears. It only took obito completely transforming his entire body structure, chakra, everything to remove the seal. Tobirama's stayed because juubito had the same body/chakra throughout(at the time the seal was placed). It's not an ordinary marking or else it wouldn't work on juubito, nor would it last forever. Clearly it locks itself onto the target otherwise it would disappear on people like bee who've gone through a plethora of transformations or obito whose body is made up with zetsu cells


He preps ma and pa's frog genjutsu. Kabuto gets trapped in it at which point minato slaps some seals on him. Without chakra he can't heal, rebirth or anything and he's susceptible to death. That's one way since i'm not really in the mood for a long argument.

What? That doesn't even make sense. Obito got his body blasted in half, reformed(when he got control) and all sorts of shit, but the seal didn't disappear. Konan blew half his body off but the seal didn't disappear.

Derpderpderp using omyoudon on himself would kill him, would it not?

 

[Bronze]

The reason why the seal disappeared, was because Obito attained new skin as Juubi Jinchuuriki:

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[MasqueradeNX]

Its funny to see all the Minato fanboys jump all over this. Even still Kabuto is the superior ninja. XD

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't see what so hard about this concept. I don't see any conditions that allows Minto to go out of bounce with FTG. He starts in the location given, he needs to plant FTG from the location given.

Kabuto understands the mechanics of Sage Mode.

If Minato attempts to go CQC, they will end up exchanging blows, just like how he canonically counter a Rasengan to the face[

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Minato cannot keep his distance either, As the location can make Kabuto close it in via Muki Tensei, meaning there is also no escape. Spreading Kunai's isn't helping. He move the land around and have the Kunai in one place (another option)

Sound genjutsu isn't working here. As The Sound Genjutsu doesn't have the same effect as Frog Call[

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]. Either way none of Sound attack will effect him since he can change his inner organs into liquid. Kabuto was able to block the high pitch of his own jutsu while Sasuke was in pain the the sound frequency.

 

[slimreaper]

His jaws ripped the Susano'o ribcage apart, Minato has no feats of strength in SM anyway.

He has dodged a Susano'o arrow from Sasuke, but the Taijutsu part isn't relevant anyway since he can liquefy himself against physical attacks.
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That's false and you know it. It's not Genjutsu, it's Sennin Ninpō. He liquefied his insides because the sound vibrates so hard it shakes the inside core of the human body. However without anything to solid matter shake (liquid body), the body effectively resists the effects of the jutsu. Minat doesn't have Hōzuki DNA, thus it works.​

Sound torture and piercing are not the same, study biology/chemistry/physics.​

Even when it failed to kill exhausted Kakashi? Yeah, no [

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I didn't see any size difference [

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actually kabuto only ripped through chakra. there were no formed ribs when kabuto hit itachi.

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[shelke]

The seal never disappears. It only took obito completely transforming his entire body structure, chakra, everything to remove the seal. Tobirama's stayed because juubito had the same body/chakra throughout(at the time the seal was placed). It's not an ordinary marking or else it wouldn't work on juubito, nor would it last forever. Clearly it locks itself onto the target otherwise it would disappear on people like bee who've gone through a plethora of transformations or obito whose body is made up with zetsu cells

Either Obito cancelled it, or, it disappeared because the alteration in skin textures - which means the seal is superficial. Nothing in the manga suggests otherwise. Unless, you have proof.

Doesn't matter, as Minato won't be able to touch Kabuto anyway.

 

[shelke]

The reason why the seal disappeared, was because Obito attained new skin as Juubi Jinchuuriki:

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Actually, this is never confirmed by the manga that this was the cause of it disappearing.

@Penguin

Is it specifically mentioned?

 

[Touken]

So when Obito caught Minato in his chains, did he not use the spread kunai as a mean of escaping, in other words "defense".

Like how you don't bring up the scan I showed you proving your immobilization only technique theory wrong.

So why was Itachi covering his ears and closing his eyes? Obviously he should have walked right through the genjutsu whistling right?

All Minato's battles have spread kunai, not going into this any further.

I'll concede that point.

Yeah, he did use his kunai as a means of escaping but that's not why he spreads his kunai. If it were for defensive purposes, do you honestly think he'd

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He can still see and hear. White Rage produces blinding light and a deafening sound which had thrown Itachi off and deactivated his Susanoo, but he was able to put it back up again because he felt no pain from White Rage, which was the only thing stopping Sasuke from activating Susanoo again.

I can't believe this thread's gotten to 7 pages.

Kabuto still wins.

 

[Bronze]

Actually, this is never confirmed by the manga that this was the cause of it disappearing.

Its not confirmed, but its implied. The seal never disappears. It cannot be absorbed either, as they don't contain Chakra within them. So the only logical and closes explanation to a fact, is if one changes the original body. That's how Obito got rid of the seal, but still couldn't with Tobirama's.

 

[shelke]

^ Which is what I mean, it's implied and not a concrete fact. Well, Tobirama's could be more of a plot hole if anything. This manga has plenty of those now. For example, Hashirama couldn't knead Chakra and on the same page, he said to Sasuke that he would give some to him.

 

[Bronze]

^ Which is what I mean, it's implied and not a concrete fact. Well, Tobirama's could be more of a plot hole if anything. This manga has plenty of those now. For example, Hashirama couldn't knead Chakra and on the same page, he said to Sasuke that he would give some to him.

Hashirama's example does not exactly coincide, since he said he will give the REST of his Chakra to Sasuke. So that means, black rod didn't hit all of the Chakra points, same with Gentle fist. However, in Juubito's case, we saw the layer of body covering him as Jinchuuriki, which showed Minato's seal disappeared for that reason. Tobirama's seal didn't disappear because he implanted on Obito's Jinchuurik body. To also support this, Minato teleported to Obito after the latter regained his original body [

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[shelke]

^ I wouldn't agree with Hashirama's point at all, as he himself mentioned that he couldn't knead chakra. The rest is a bit debatable, as we don't know whether Minato teleported to him or not. Anyhow, still the comments do have merit.

 

[Curse Mark]

^ Which is what I mean, it's implied and not a concrete fact. Well, Tobirama's could be more of a plot hole if anything. This manga has plenty of those now. For example, Hashirama couldn't knead Chakra and on the same page, he said to Sasuke that he would give some to him.

What other plotholes i want a list i'm curious where could i find one ayy

 

[shelke]

^ The latest one was interesting, how Obito could pull Bijuu Chakra out of Madara but Madara somehow, couldn't do he same. That's a huge plot-hole.

 

[HiddenSound]

I think my opinion on this is obvious.

 

[Curse Mark]

^ The latest one was interesting, how Obito could pull Bijuu Chakra out of Madara but Madara somehow, couldn't do he same. That's a huge plot-hole.

When couldn't Madara pull it out? At the same time Obito was or prior to that?