[VS] SM Madara vs EMS Madara and SM Hashirama

[HENI]

SM Madara vs EMS Madara and SM Hashirama

Conditions: Both sides are at full power

Restrictions: No Gedo Mazo

SM Madara can use Limbo, EMS Madara has Kyuubi, SM Hashirama has all the Wood Summonings/Jutsu he had

 

[LuckyMan]

The Limbo kills them.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

4 Limbos + Rikudo SM PS is a bit too much....

 

[Ambivalence]

DRSM Madara takes this.

 

[ARGUS]

if madara only has one eye, then he stands no chance against PS-Kyuubi + SS
if he has both eyes, then he wins this

 

[Unorthodox]

1000 punches + Bladed tbb shreds anything in Madara offense

 

[KingHashirama]

VOTE Madara and Hashirama.

 

[Beans2]

This is an absolute rape stomp for Hashirama and Madara. Madara solos, Hashirama solos, heck even the Kyubi solos given GM is restricted. Madara has no suitable defense against PS, TBB, or Mokujin/SS, given canon SM Madara can't use PS. The Limbo is non factor because 1) it can't do anything to their large constructs 2) Hashirama has wood clones to confuse it 3) they kill Madara before Limbo can reach them.

 

[Beans2]

Wait, is this a fanfic Madara with both Rinnegans? If it is, then Hashirama and VOTE Madara still win, but it's not a stomp.

PS still can't compete with Shinsuusenju given the massive difference in power between them. 12 giant TBBs with PS blades in them were needed to stalemate Chojou Kobetsu, and the resulting explosion still destroyed EMS Madara's PS. Now with both Rinnegans+Hashirama's SM, DRSM Madara would get a boost in his ninjutsu from his Indra chakra + a piece of Hashirama's chakra. It wouldn't be anywhere near the power ups Naruto and Sasuke got when they received half of Hagomoro's chakra each, directly from the source. Is Madara's boost enough to let his PS tank Shinsuusenju directly, while Madara barrages him with an attack equal to that in strength? The answer is hell no.

As for Madara's other jutsu:

-Shinra Tensei might deflect their attacks for a second, but their barrages last much longer than that so they pound him in the cool down time. Their attacks might just plow through it given that they can attack him from both sides, therefore he'd have to spread out the force to block on both sides.
-Chibaku Tensei or meteors get blown up with Bijuu Dama.
-Limbos might be the only problem here, but they have to materialize when they attack. if Hashirama is surrounded by solid earth (Mayfly) and Madara is surrounded by solid chakra (Susanoo). Hashirama and Madara remain in their constructs and they're safe.

 

[Zee U]

The outcome depends on how much of a boost does Madara gain from his Rikudou Chakra.

 

[Ansatsuken]

SM Madara with Rinnegan or blind. If with Rinnegan he win if not he lost

 

[KidGamer65]

Unless anyone thinks that the boost from the true power of both Rinnegan (Just see One Eyed JJ Madara to Dual Rinnegan JJ Madara, and please don't use Obito and Nagato as references) , and a piece of Hagoromo's chakra itself is that much weaker than the piece of chakra Kakashi salvaged from Obito, RG Madara wins.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Unless anyone thinks that the boost from the true power of both Rinnegan (Just see One Eyed JJ Madara to Dual Rinnegan JJ Madara, and please don't use Obito and Nagato as references) , and a piece of Hagoromo's chakra itself is that much weaker than the piece of chakra Kakashi salvaged from Obito, RG Madara wins.

wait, so who wins?

 

[KidGamer65]

wait, so who wins?

Rinnegan Madara wins.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Rinnegan Madara wins.

Sorry you're post confused me. My english isn't the best.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sorry you're post confused me. My english isn't the best.

You can improve it here slowly. By the way where do you lived?

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

You can improve it here slowly. By the way where do you lived?

I live in Australia but I'm Vietnamese, Chinese and I'm majoring in Japanese for quite some time. I'm alright with English but sometimes I have stupid moments.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I live in Australia but I'm Vietnamese, Chinese and I'm majoring in Japanese for quite some time. I'm alright with English but sometimes I have stupid moments.

Mixed blood?

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Mixed blood?

Yeh

 

[Beans2]

Unless anyone thinks that the boost from the true power of both Rinnegan (Just see One Eyed JJ Madara to Dual Rinnegan JJ Madara, and please don't use Obito and Nagato as references) , and a piece of Hagoromo's chakra itself is that much weaker than the piece of chakra Kakashi salvaged from Obito, RG Madara wins.

1. Getting both Rinnegans increases chakra potency (meaning it strengthens whatever chakra one already has.) Determining the boost Madara gets from both Rinnegans based of JJ Madara before and after he gets his second Rinnegan wouldn't be an accurate comparison. If I used numbers:

Madara's chakra pre-Jinchuuriki=100
Madara's chakra after becoming JJ=200

Let's say being an original wielder of the Rinnegan strengthens chakra by a 2x boost. 100x2=200, but 200x2=400. See why the difference between JJ Madara w/ 1 eye vs JJ Madara w/ both eyes >>> the difference between SM Madara w/ 1 eye vs SM Madara w/ both eyes?

2. Then there's the fact that Madara received two power-ups in between the versions of him you are talking about (attaining a second Rinnegan as well as absorbing the Shinju) so you can't attribute his increase in power only to Rinnegan.

3. And how specifically are you comparing JJ Madara before and after he gets his second Rinnegan? If it's based off the scale of his CT, that wouldn't be an accurate comparison considering we have no idea how strong his CT would be before getting the second Rinnegan (ignoring the fact that he can't actually perform the jutsu with one eye.) You can't base it off his usage of Limbo before and after getting the second Rinnegan, that's only a 4x boost because Madara could make 1 Limbo with 1 Rinnegan+SM, but make 4 Limbos after getting Juubi's chakra+absorbing Shinju+second Rinnegan.

4. How can you definitively prove that DMS Kakashi's Susanoo would tank Shinsuusenju+12 giant BDs with Susanoo blades?