SM Madara Takes the Gaunlet

[shelke]

^ Actually, he couldn't take on more than two at the same time. Hachibi had to step in.

 

[VongolaX]

Stage 4 and stage 11 he would lose for sure.

At that point Madara needed the alliance to weaken him, in order to take advantage of the war.

 

[AGoodBoy]

^ Actually, he couldn't take on more than two at the same time. Hachibi had to step in.

yea, I Know, I just wanted to remove room for excuses.

 

[Inert Brian]

Madara clears the gauntlet.

Madara can use SM with his perfect Susano'o, Juubito doesn't stand a chance when Naruto and Sasuke (who were exhausted quickly) pushed him to the brink. Even Naruto stated he was beginning to catch the timing of Juubito.

 

[KidGamer65]

You just put a whole load of speculation in there it's not funny. You're trying to say BM minato > a perfect jin, a kage, and 7 other bijuu simultaneously? Did you think this through? BM naruto on his own

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, let alone 7 + a perfect jin + kage. Minato, adding in some FTG and other skills, isn't going to make up the massive difference.

I never said that. I simply said he's a better support partner. Completely unrelated to strength. Did you think before replying to my post? Cause I don't think you did.

-Can any of those guys block attacks as effectively as Minato can?

No.

-Can any of those guys offer Naruto teleportation?

No.

They only offer firepower, and their kind of firepower isn't going to help against Madara. If this is all you have for Madara being able to beat these two, then I suggest you stop here. Nothing in your post is even relevant as once again, I never said Minato would defeat them in a fight.

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The chakra is locked to gedo. Naruto can't retract it, he can't use it, he can't do a thing to it. Neither can minato. If they teleport, they're leaving their chakra behind because it's now bound to the gedo. That's a fact.

I'll concede on this part though. I already stated he gets past them anyway.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I never said that. I simply said he's a better support partner. Completely unrelated to strength. Did you think before replying to my post? Cause I don't think you did.

-Can any of those guys block attacks as effectively as Minato can?

No.

-Can any of those guys offer Naruto teleportation?

No.

They only offer firepower, and their kind of firepower isn't going to help against Madara. If this is all you have for Madara being able to beat these two, then I suggest you stop here. Nothing in your post is even relevant as once again, I never said Minato would defeat them in a fight.



I'll concede on this part though. I already stated he gets past them anyway.

Gaara and shukaku were able to completely paralyze madara. The 8 bijuu were able to play pinball with him. the 8 + naruto bijuu were able to smash susano'o. Please inform us all how minato's a better support?
He isn't as strong as the other 8 bijuu, so he can't smash susano'o. He can't immobilize madara. He can't overwhelm him with numbers. Madara can

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. All he's adding as 'support' is the ability to run away; which is useless against gedo chains - the only thing he'd need it for in this 2 shot kill.

"-Can any of those guys block attacks as effectively as Minato can? "
Better. The completely paralyzed madara. He couldn't even activate jutsu. All minato can do here is teleport and s/t barrier, which are useless against Limbo, the jutsu madara used to paralyze sasuke, and gedo chains.


"-Can any of those guys offer Naruto teleportation?"
Completely useless against limbo, and gedo chains. What madara canonically solo'd him with.

Alright, all the can offer is firepower, you say... Well, Let's neglect for a second the fact that they could immobilize madara. How exactly is minato helping naruto to bust susano'o? Manga fact is madara tanks TBB's, has absorption, has gedo chains and has limbo; which all shits on these guys arsenal. Please tell me exactly how minato's so called 'support' is helping here? or is any better than the bijuu's who were able to remove an arm? Unless you think constantly teleporting will somehow end madara's life?

>Inb4 you suggest tbb spam which the tailed beasts didn't get time to use.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

So, basically... madara, who shat on naruto and 8 bijuu, with another eye? LoL. Let me read this.

Stage 1 - Gokage Neg diff. Edo madara was already capable of low diff if taken seriously.
Stage 2 - Akatsuki Neg/Low diff. Obito will be problematic
Stage 3 - BSM Naruto & EMS Sasuke Already negged both these guys in canon with 1 less eye
Stage 4 - Obito bijuu jinz gedo mazo neg
Stage 6 - Edo Madara not sure if serious... Obv neg. This mad is in a diff league because of SM. it's the diff between base nardo and sm nardo. It's just a stomp.
Stage 7 - EMS Madara with Kurama Please don't tell me you're on of those that think vote mad's stronger than edo mads
Stage 8 - SM Hashirama Low diff. He has all his abilities + limbo :|

Stage 9 - BSM Minato & BSM Naruto Finally, we getting interesting. Low/med diff. SM madara's capable of dodging FTG. Ontop of that he has contact absorption and ranged binding. This is too much for these two. They go down with a little struggle snuggle.

Stage 10 - 5 Hokages Low/med diff. Hashi and minato are the only factors. Everyone else is fodder near them. Tobirama already got 1 paneled by a mads with 1 less eye. Hashi gets 1 panelled. Minato goes down with some struggle due to BSM.

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Stage 11 - Juubito

This is where most people -- fanboys, haters, some logical members -- will claim mads will lose, but he wouldn't. Madara will take this med/high diff.

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The simple fact is, madara fully counters this guy on so many levels. SM empowered PS as a lot more powerful than what sasuke used against him (SM boosts ninjutsu while CS doesn't). This massive bump is enough to tip madara above juubito as sasuke/naruto were already pushing him to the limit. Ontop of that, Madara is extremely fast and, by feats, he's completely capable of dodging and even hitting juubito.
Where juubito couldn't dodge FTG users, madara did it quite casually. Nothing stops madara from dodging obito especially with SM full spectrum view of the entire battlefield.
Therefore Madara trumps obito in;
- Defence - SM-PS > omnyoudon since it can easily shatter omnyoudon but omnyoudon can't easily take it down (see: naruto and sasuke vs juubito).
- Reaction - obito was incapable of dodging ftg's while madara could. Ontop of that, madara has inherent sensor abilities and SM to greatly enhance perception
- Offence - Limbo, SM-PS can both bypass obito's defenses while obito can't bypass madaras.

To end it, most people's argument is "Juubito uses 6 suns + juubi dama". Well, first of all, MAdara can shatter juubito's defense leaving him wide open to being killed by his own jutsu. Secondly, There's nothing that even suggests that TBB can bust an SM enhanced Perfect Susano'o. I won't list PS feats right now because it's been said and done a lot (tenpechi, point blank TBB) however, I will try to give an idea of how power of a boost SM could give it.

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is madara's V2 (some call it V3) susano'o. It was capable of tanking the force of 9 tailed beasts and only left madara with 1 arm gone. That's actually not that much damage for all the power they dished out on him. It really does showcase the defence of SM susano'o as this is 2 levels below PS, therefore much smaller in size and much weaker. In fact, just

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; it's smaller than kyuubi's tail while PS is nearing the size of the juubi and is as big/bigger as that same tree which fires the tbb's.[

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] It's monstrous and with that size comes massive defence. It took hashirama's greatest technique to only remove half of a weaker PS just for reference. Last point I'd like to note is that those 4 tbb's couldn't even

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... I have absolutely no reason to beleive they can bring down PS; not like madara's can't just limbo them all to 1 corner of the barrier, anyway, so that he only takes residual damage.

just shut the hell up with your bullshiit and your hypocricy, calling other people fanboys when you yourself are being ridiculously so with your fanboyish exaggeraton of Madaras abilities!!

and this list is quite silly, putting strongest opponents below the weaker ones? having madara fight himself, twice?? wth...

including Akatsuki, Jubito would tear madaras ass apart - no argument needed. What I say is absolute, Madara CANNOT defeat jubito!, you do well to remember that.

 

[AGoodBoy]

just shut the hell up with your bullshiit and your hypocricy, calling other people fanboys when you yourself are being ridiculously so with your fanboyish exaggeraton of Madaras abilities!!

and this list is quite silly, putting strongest opponents below the weaker ones? having madara fight himself, twice?? wth...

including Akatsuki, Jubito would tear madaras ass apart - no argument needed. What I say is absolute, Madara CANNOT defeat jubito!, you do well to remember that.

My list is based on manga fact and feat. Everyone in my list has been 1 paneled.

What's yours based on? Opinion.

 

[RikudouMadara]

He ....imho clearly takes this. I've felt he could defeat Rikudou Obito with one eye, but two..... I feel he wins with medium difficulty. Plus Madara says twice with SM he could defeat Rikudou Obito. Also the only other one I see being a possible threat is the Hokages.

 

[shelke]

As soon as he's chained along with Naruto - if this is alive Minato, that is - he isn't using FTG to take his cloak elsewhere. He dies, once the Bijuu half is pulled out from inside himself and Naruto.

 

[TheSages456]

with all the fanfiction abilities that you gave madara, he would clear the gauntlet.

sm madara in the manga hasnt shown anything more powerful than rinbo, which is fodder tier compared to any large scaled attack from any top tier.
PS, mokujin, bijudama, shinsuusenju are thousands of times stronger based on their destructive feats.

 

[Unorthodox]

with all the fanfiction abilities that you gave madara, he would clear the gauntlet.

sm madara in the manga hasnt shown anything more powerful than rinbo, which is fodder tier compared to any large scaled attack from any top tier.
PS, mokujin, bijudama, shinsuusenju are thousands of times stronger based on their destructive feats.

still buthurt hashirama got owned by madara in a flash

 

[TheSages456]

still buthurt hashirama got owned by madara in a flash

stop trying to flamebait. hashirama already defeated madara with 2 mokuryu. the only 2 things confirmed is full power hashirama>full power madara and full power madara madara>tired hashirama.

as a madara fanboy, you are going to ignore the fact that hashirama and madara wore each other down in their clash, with hashirama edging madara out as he succeeded in binding madara before he could activate the stakes.
madara needed his strength restored by rinne tensei to finish of a weakened hashirama.

 

[Unorthodox]

stop trying to flamebait. hashirama already defeated madara with 2 mokuryu. the only 2 things confirmed is full power hashirama>full power madara and full power madara madara>tired hashirama.

as a madara fanboy, you are going to ignore the fact that hashirama and madara wore each other down in their clash, with hashirama edging madara out as he succeeded in binding madara before he could activate the stakes.
madara needed his strength restored by rinne tensei to finish of a weakened hashirama.

excused me did you say EDO Hasirama was tired lmaooo since when can edos be tired he battled it out with edo madara then got the rods stuck in his back madara broke those gates then activated the rods then stole hashi's sm.

hashirama got smacked while edo when madara was alive

 

[Haizaki]

Stops at Juubito ..It's debatable though

 

[Touken]

Stops at Juubito.

 

[TheSages456]

excused me did you say EDO Hasirama was tired lmaooo since when can edos be tired he battled it out with edo madara then got the rods stuck in his back madara broke those gates then activated the rods then stole hashi's sm.

hashirama got smacked while edo when madara was alive

as expected, you lack the ability to read the manga. there is a specific reason why hashirama was tired.

the black rods left him unable to mould any chakra, so he was left with a fixed reserve, which would be the amount that he managed to mould prior:

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hashirama bound madara and sapped him of his chakra:

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it was a race to bind the other and in the end, hashirama won. madara putting the stakes in hashirama were meaningless since he couldnt activate them before getting bound himself.

hashirama pinned madara and had him ready to be sealed:

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before he was sealed, madara was revived by obito, which restored his strength:

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^^^^^i cant stress the above enough, which is something that all madara fans ignore. hashirama had madara worn down and sapped of chakra, then madara regained his full power after rinne tensei.

all madara did was gain a second wind, which allowed him to beat hashirama who was already weakened by madara when he was in his edo tensei state.

 

[Bronze]

Edo Hashirama did not defeat Edo Madara.

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And apparently, Mokujin has stronger attacks than Rinbo, yet it displayed no feats. Sounds fanfiction.

 

[shelke]

^ He did restrain him for a while.

 

[Bronze]

^ He did restrain him for a while.

Madara didn't break the restrain, because he had made the tactic with BZ. And restraining does not equal victory.