SM Kabuto = SM Naruto
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Your comparing the summons vs. whatever the respective sage modes grant the user. I have no idea what snake sage mode grants Kabuto. As well there's the confound of the fact that he's incorporated Team Taka's powers as well.
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Yeah, which means that there's a confound so we won't be comparing the sage modes directly, as one would like to do in an honest to goodness comparison.But he has other power ups besides SM, remember that.
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Blaze Release
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Sm naruto is low kage.
Sm kabuto is mid kage due to what we have seen. By hype might be high kage. Same category as nagato, hashirama, bm naruto
Sm kabuto is mid kage due to what we have seen. By hype might be high kage. Same category as nagato, hashirama, bm naruto
Can we at least wait for another chapter and/or add some level of confidence/certainty in our convictions/statements? We've hardly seen him do anything in snake sage mode... I'm sure it's going to be damn impressive, but it's impossible to be certain of his abilities at this point because they're unknown. I'm glad he has sage mode actually, as this is what he's been lacking thus far, and it really rounds him out as a shinobi.
Putting him in the same category as Senju Hashirama already? Is this a healthy or crippled Nagato with or without the six paths of Pain. Further, we've hardly seen BM Naruto, which last we saw could only last 5 minutes according to Kurama since they just started working together!
Why must we be so fickle and rush to judgement like this all the time...? Sure, it's exciting, I'm excited. This makes the fight and Kabuto the character so much better; however, the level of uncertainty is massive just because we've been given so little information. I find the neuroeconomic behavior on NB to be so reactionary is amazing, but also confusing...
Perhaps you can clarify and justify this...
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whatsupdealer
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Naruto SM > Kabuto SM
Why? Kabuto hesitated (and was fearful) in taking on the rinnengan which forced him to spill the beans to tobi on how edo tensei worked. Naruto fought and defeated the rinnegan (6 paths of pein) and is currently wiping the floor with tobi.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Why? Kabuto hesitated (and was fearful) in taking on the rinnengan which forced him to spill the beans to tobi on how edo tensei worked. Naruto fought and defeated the rinnegan (6 paths of pein) and is currently wiping the floor with tobi.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Blaze Release
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Im not usually the type to overrate a character and put them in a category that i dont believe they are in, but kabuto right now, although i hate to admit it is very special. You could go as far as saying he is a combination of, tsuande (medic ninjutsu), oro (snake affiliated ninjutsu), jiraiya (sm although i believe kabuto's sm will be superior), karin (advanced healing), suigetsu ( able to manipulate his body)Can we at least wait for another chapter and/or add some level of confidence/certainty in our convictions/statements? We've hardly seen him do anything in snake sage mode... I'm sure it's going to be damn impressive, but it's impossible to be certain of his abilities at this point because they're unknown. I'm glad he has sage mode actually, as this is what he's been lacking thus far, and it really rounds him out as a shinobi.
Putting him in the same category as Senju Hashirama already? Is this a healthy or crippled Nagato with or without the six paths of Pain. Further, we've hardly seen BM Naruto, which last we saw could only last 5 minutes according to Kurama since they just started working together!
Why must we be so fickle and rush to judgement like this all the time...? Sure, it's exciting, I'm excited. This makes the fight and Kabuto the character so much better; however, the level of uncertainty is massive just because we've been given so little information. I find the neuroeconomic behavior on NB to be so reactionary is amazing, but also confusing...
Perhaps you can clarify and justify this...
Peace
With all these abilities he does rank as high kage and would give hashirama, nagato, bm naruto a run for their money.
dragongoku
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hey listen to this. kabuto is not stronger than anybody. think of him as this, he is the person who uses tricks up his sleve than fight head on. his SM is weaker than narutos because naruto is stronger than kabuto at any time.
I have nothing to compare it with since we haven't seen it in action, correct. I was merely pointing out Kishi's overall theme, and I actually expect them to be very simular because of the senjutsu aspect.
Fair enough to take that position; however, I would prefer to watch and wait more, as characters on paper always play out differently in action and in individual match ups, as each of those powers/abilities you listed has at least one weakness as do all jutsu's/modes (it's just the way all abilities/jutsus/modes work). Also there's IWR and "that jutsu," assuming he's not referring to this, as this is a mode not a jutsu per se.
Further, we've not really seen Senju Hashirama fight sans his ET form under Orochimaru and BM Naruto was 5 minutes, EMS Sasuke has been all of a few minutes basically repeating what he's done with his MS along with MS Itachi watching. Thus, what you're really comparing right now is hype to hype more than anything else really. After a certain number of chapters that won't be the case as much and the level of certainty will rise; however, until then that's what there is to work with. No doubt Kabuto's incredibly powerful with everything he has at his disposal, including the sheer diversity of it, but I like to judge on the actual actions, so that my judgements don't get reversed because I simply assumed something incorrectly at the beginning because I was impatient. I recall the ridiculousness about Muu that was made and how he was invincible and the strongest since the Rikudou Sennin (S06P), clearly he was not. This has happened before numerous times, and it will happen again.
Different philosophies, both perfectly fine, as they have different goals in mind. I understand people don't want to wait a week or two. That's fine. I suppose I shouldn't find it surprising, so mea culpa.
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how can people compare him to naruto after just seeing him turn into a sage ? he hasnt shown anything yet ... but in my opinion it seems a little better cus of the nature energy thingi he can keep sage mode forever but naruto cant
... but in my opinion it seems a little better cus of the nature energy thingi he can keep sage mode forever but naruto cant
GodaimeRaikage
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Naruto never defeated the rinnegan.Naruto was beaten numerous times by Nagato.Naruto is only alive today for two reason, Nagato was trying to capture Naruto and not kill him, and the nine tails going on a rampage after Naruto witness Hinata being hurt.Try paying attention to the manga.Naruto SM > Kabuto SM
Why? Kabuto hesitated (and was fearful) in taking on the rinnengan which forced him to spill the beans to tobi on how edo tensei worked. Naruto fought and defeated the rinnegan (6 paths of pein) and is currently wiping the floor with tobi.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
As for naruto versus tobi, how exactly is Naruto wiping the floor with him? Naruto hasn't even touch Tobi since the plot no jutsu head butt.