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Kakuzu fights buiji's for a living.
Kakuzu Mask blast can take care of toad summon since they are big targets for his elemental bazooka
SM Jiraiya vs Kakuzu
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Kakuzu fights buiji's for a living.
Kakuzu Mask blast can take care of toad summon since they are big targets for his elemental bazooka
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Coincident that you replied as soon as it happen, Alt account much
Jk, btw here I respond to you, I didn't ignore your question:
Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan was said that it can hollow out a Mountain. This is why you expect from this technique. Rasengan is basically a drill tech made with pure chakra. Regular Rasengan can break a piece of rock from a moutain(Or drill a hole depending on it's size)
But comparing a Mountain rocks durability to a Diamond's doesn't help. Rasengan hasn't shown any feats of breaking something as hard as diamond. Rasengan attempting to drill it's way to Kakuzu's Domu (hard like Diamond) skin won't cause some type of serious damage. Even though this tech will plow Kakuzu to the ground, something like this:
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"Further proof you don't actually know what the word means. Try again."
It is obvious you started the provoking/ insults. When you weren't bring anything, then, to counter try to counter Domu Domu, you began to project a Psychological projection or projection bias
"You didn't actually show that, let alone prove it with scans at all. And "still up for debate" does not equal "EjBlack is still indenial about it"."
What am I in denial about? I clearly said I was wrong about Base Speed and Base Strength in one of my latest post. Then I decided to make a counter that can take on his Base Strength and Speed(Which I will show more since you didn't see them)
"Even Kakashi walked away from that kick without a problem, don't make me laugh."
Exaggerating of course, and how does that disprove that he has strength feats, to be able to kick some through trees? It's like saying J man lacks strength feats because Human Path survived the impacted kick in the face, that's a stupid reason to not validate it as a legit strength feat
"You did? So I can assume everything you once claimed about the DB was bullshit or else you openly accept Shika a man with 2.5 in speed can actively react to Kakuzu's attempted blitzes. I don't actually remember you using DB info and couldn't care less if you did, that was pretty irrelevant but only actually helps me. Although I supposed if you want to deny DB info it's the only actual way Kakuzu stands a chance. Oh wait, Jiraiya has massive DB hype AND the scans to back him up.. I guess no matter what route you take Kakuzu gets stomped."
Where have I denied DB being invalid? Where did I apply Kakuzu back stabbing Shiki as a speed feat? This doesn't help your argument, want to read my post however you want to, that fact we are bringing this situation up for the third time and still not listening, proofs it.
"Oh really? Tell me again that you're posting a strength panel and not speed for a free pass to avoid the subject. I don't give a crap what scan you're posting, I want speed. You've not proven in any way whatsoever that Kakuzu is even close to that. In fact, the ONLY panel you HAVE posted for Kakuzu's speed, was him ATTEMPTING to blitz a chunin with a 2.5 in speed and he STILL reacted."
Contradicting yourself. You claim that Me posting the shikimaru situation was a way to avoid the subject of speed and then claim that I have used it for the subject of speed. Here is the post again:
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You didn't prove me wrong at all and yet still came with no counter for Domu Domu so GG to you sir."
Post #24(With No Edit to Proof I didn't change it) As you have notice in my post, your first spoiler shows Strength. At the bottom were my counter pics that didn't have spoilers on them (You will notice that it was always mention as a strength scan). From then the next was the your spoiler of Speed, notice I have only but Kakuzu saving Hidan's head as a Speed feat. Next Spoiler was Reaction what I post was a question to your reaction that is in the bottom of the Reaction Spoiler.NOW anyways you ask for more Speed feats so I'll actually have you a second one (Kakashi attempting to Speed Blitz Hidan:
Then Kakuzu appears in front of him:
"Oh, I assume you have scans proving that SM durability is different for them for some ridiculous reason? And here's a scan of Jiraiya being smashed through dozens of feet of concrete without a single scratch."
Nice try, trying to change what I was implying. I answered your question and I proved you wrong that SM skin can be pierce, this is what you said:
"Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin."
I proved to you that Kunai's can break through SM skin, Your Wrong.
"Calling the opponent's scans bad and false with other scans that prove they're inferior to the scans they're going up against? That's not a bad thing, that's called proving your arguments wrong and I don't care if you don't like it, that means you're losing."
Show me where I said scans J man feats are bad and false?I have counter J man's Strength and Rasengan with Domu. You haven't shown J man strength is inferior to Domu, or else am i missing something, show me where you counter Domu<J man strength. It seems like you don't got none so far, your losing
"Oh really? When did I ever imply that? Again, you're proving you know absolutely nothing about what words mean, l2tell sarcasm?"
Not from you, this is my second time arguing with you and usually you imply the opponent you think will win is more inferior then whoever someone else is going to defend, try /Sarcasm so I know you aren't or not
"Kakuzu is one of my favorite characters, don't bullshit me about that. Don't even attempt to bring fanboyism into the mix of the SAME PARAGRAPH you're trying to say Kakuzu's 3 hearts that were wiped out by fodder techniques are stronger and faster than PAIN PATHS. I can see why you totally dropped entire arguments in my post about that which you couldn't counter."
Not sure if you trying to use this as an excuse that you actually reasoning with Kakuzu feats to prove your points are right. Anyway, that is very hard to believe that he is, you should make a commentary about him whenever you have the time I would like to read it cause so far you think his techs are fodder. Can you please give the list of fodder jutsu's that killed Masked? Oh please quote what I didn't counter so I can see.
"You say it's a "strength" panel and not speed? Too bad, post a speed panel then. or else Kakuzu is slower than a snail and everything you said about KAKUZU being faster than PAIN is bullshit(implying it's not anyway). Don't avoid the subject because you can't actually prove Kakuzu's speed for crap...and if you can't provide a speed panel to prove it? Admit you don't have crap for his speed instead of repeatedly ignoring the facts."
How can I make a claim when I don't know exactly what Pain's speed is yet, all I said is so far Kakuzu has 4/5. And the rest of what you want was post in another sentence above. And you better not take my sentence as saying Kakuzu Speed>J man. I will say it again Kakuzu speed is still enought to keep pace in this battle, as for any other ninja. Sasuke is faster then Deidara that doesn't mean he loses because he is not in his speed, so is Hidan vs Asuma, AND LOTS more. More Example: 4th Raikage is physically stronger and faster then Madara, we can't conclude that he wins because they have it better
"HAHAHA you didn't even last a full post. Remember earlier when you said: "Lol, I mention databook stat once and yet you attacked me with the Shikimaru argument"? You can't say "DATABOOK STATS ARE WRONG" and then use them to support your argument lol. Pick one or the other, talk about a double standard. "
Show me where I said Databook stats are wrong, and then tell me if you feel like an idiot, you have to tell me
"Please tell me what my ego has anything to do with the facts of Jiraiya being superior to Kakuzu in basically every category."
Sure it wouldn't make sense if you want to switch what I am implying here:
""GG your ENTIRE post. I LOVE the 3 choices of stats you used to condemn Kakuzu and dig your own grave here lol. good work."
"Alright, I'm waiting but I definitely don't expect anything after all this"
"HAHAHA, you just admitted that you didn't in this thread, that's ridiculous.
A person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance, right?
"No proof? I didn't think so, because Kakuzu's not surviving, I love how you have literally no proof Domu can tank anywhere NEAR a technique like that. Inb4 after saying "lol, 2.5 speed, DB are bullshit" that you're now going to accept the DB and pull a double standard and accept it only when it BENEFITS your argument, and then post the Domu DB entry. I won't fall for your cajolery EjBlack."
Ignore the proof that I gave that Diamond skin more durable then rocks? OK two can play this invalid game. Ultra Ball has shown no feats since it was absorb by Preta Path. What proof do YOU have as of why it breaks Domu Domu? And I like how you add that I said DB is bullshit so again post where I decline DB use
"the hell are you rambling out about son. No, I mean these scans."
Funny, I thought Ten-Ten waving the fan would give you a hint that it was the wrong translation, here is the proper scan trans (This is a photo of someone buying this chapter in Viz translation and posting the correct trans (1):
(2)The Bashosen has shown that is has a sweeping element attack:
(3)the Anime clarifies it
(4)Even if it was Asuma's, that doesn't make Asuma's nor Kakuzu's tech fodder. Fighting a whole Shinobi Alliance with mask is harder to try and take out someone 1v1, so saying it got foddered in the war doesn't prove it's a fodder tech, no one would dare go out of their way do say this is true because it will imply 3rd Raikage, 1st hokage, and 2nd hokage.
"THE MASK DESTROYED EFFORTLESSLY AGAIN!"
(Sigh)You should of read the next page to avoid embarrassing yourself:
Which one died effortlessly again?
"inb4 you ignore them so you don't have to admit they were destroyed by fodder attacks like I proved...again.
So what exactly about those am I "blindly interpreting"? And since you didn't know Asuma destroyed it easily, now you know. Maybe you'll rethink your answer since you apparently didn't know they had weak ass durability."
Lets see who is gonna rethink this through
"Maybe not making fake scans, but posting a pic of someone moving at 4mp and trying to claim it's faster than someone moving at sound speed is just outright retarded and being in denial. Before you jump to conclusions that was an example and the gap isn't that large. Althoguh, thanks to your lack of scans, it very well could be for all we know given how little proof you actually gave."
You are gonna probably revise these statements soon lol
"Ok then what, proceeds to get beaten down repeatedly until he runs out of chakra because he can't do shit and is admittedly by far slower and weaker? That's what I thought."
Making your fanfic doesn't prove you right, nor is taking J man out of character. Since they have never fought, you have no proof who will even blink first. This is what this thread is about and Vs threads all together. Coming up with what they have with feats they have, that can counter feats, then make a conclusion why they win. You don't see me posting silly fan fics that "Kakuzu shoots element bazookas from from all direction making it inescapable"(inb4 you take this out of context of this sentence:"-Kakuzu has wide radius of elemental bazooka's, that can come from different direction."), it's a stupid approach to win an argument.
"Trying to use sarcasm to avoid answering a completely legitimate argument? That's not how it works out, try again more seriously this time on how Kakuzu will actually hope to outlast someone with his chakra levels."
I could of easily done that, like I did in another thread with you:
As you have know, maybe, Kakuzu has five chakra systems with different affinities:
Like a posted in that thread doing those blast has to take a good toll of chakra. Kakuzu losing two heats in that battles did not complain about chakra. In fact he even increased it because he went to desperate mode:
Conclusion: Kakuzu has good charka and will not be a problem to be used alot
Btw why you drop the reaction argument?
I said I was wrong about implying Base Speed and Strength.
Now which one will you actually admit being wrong about and not be in denial
It is obvious you started the provoking/ insults. When you weren't bring anything, then, to counter try to counter Domu Domu, you began to project a Psychological projection or projection bias
"You didn't actually show that, let alone prove it with scans at all. And "still up for debate" does not equal "EjBlack is still indenial about it"."
What am I in denial about? I clearly said I was wrong about Base Speed and Base Strength in one of my latest post. Then I decided to make a counter that can take on his Base Strength and Speed(Which I will show more since you didn't see them)
"Even Kakashi walked away from that kick without a problem, don't make me laugh."
Exaggerating of course, and how does that disprove that he has strength feats, to be able to kick some through trees? It's like saying J man lacks strength feats because Human Path survived the impacted kick in the face, that's a stupid reason to not validate it as a legit strength feat
"You did? So I can assume everything you once claimed about the DB was bullshit or else you openly accept Shika a man with 2.5 in speed can actively react to Kakuzu's attempted blitzes. I don't actually remember you using DB info and couldn't care less if you did, that was pretty irrelevant but only actually helps me. Although I supposed if you want to deny DB info it's the only actual way Kakuzu stands a chance. Oh wait, Jiraiya has massive DB hype AND the scans to back him up.. I guess no matter what route you take Kakuzu gets stomped."
Where have I denied DB being invalid? Where did I apply Kakuzu back stabbing Shiki as a speed feat? This doesn't help your argument, want to read my post however you want to, that fact we are bringing this situation up for the third time and still not listening, proofs it.
"Oh really? Tell me again that you're posting a strength panel and not speed for a free pass to avoid the subject. I don't give a crap what scan you're posting, I want speed. You've not proven in any way whatsoever that Kakuzu is even close to that. In fact, the ONLY panel you HAVE posted for Kakuzu's speed, was him ATTEMPTING to blitz a chunin with a 2.5 in speed and he STILL reacted."
Contradicting yourself. You claim that Me posting the shikimaru situation was a way to avoid the subject of speed and then claim that I have used it for the subject of speed. Here is the post again:
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You didn't prove me wrong at all and yet still came with no counter for Domu Domu so GG to you sir."
Post #24(With No Edit to Proof I didn't change it) As you have notice in my post, your first spoiler shows Strength. At the bottom were my counter pics that didn't have spoilers on them (You will notice that it was always mention as a strength scan). From then the next was the your spoiler of Speed, notice I have only but Kakuzu saving Hidan's head as a Speed feat. Next Spoiler was Reaction what I post was a question to your reaction that is in the bottom of the Reaction Spoiler.NOW anyways you ask for more Speed feats so I'll actually have you a second one (Kakashi attempting to Speed Blitz Hidan:
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"Oh, I assume you have scans proving that SM durability is different for them for some ridiculous reason? And here's a scan of Jiraiya being smashed through dozens of feet of concrete without a single scratch."
Nice try, trying to change what I was implying. I answered your question and I proved you wrong that SM skin can be pierce, this is what you said:
"Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin."
I proved to you that Kunai's can break through SM skin, Your Wrong.
"Calling the opponent's scans bad and false with other scans that prove they're inferior to the scans they're going up against? That's not a bad thing, that's called proving your arguments wrong and I don't care if you don't like it, that means you're losing."
Show me where I said scans J man feats are bad and false?I have counter J man's Strength and Rasengan with Domu. You haven't shown J man strength is inferior to Domu, or else am i missing something, show me where you counter Domu<J man strength. It seems like you don't got none so far, your losing
"Oh really? When did I ever imply that? Again, you're proving you know absolutely nothing about what words mean, l2tell sarcasm?"
Not from you, this is my second time arguing with you and usually you imply the opponent you think will win is more inferior then whoever someone else is going to defend, try /Sarcasm so I know you aren't or not
"Kakuzu is one of my favorite characters, don't bullshit me about that. Don't even attempt to bring fanboyism into the mix of the SAME PARAGRAPH you're trying to say Kakuzu's 3 hearts that were wiped out by fodder techniques are stronger and faster than PAIN PATHS. I can see why you totally dropped entire arguments in my post about that which you couldn't counter."
Not sure if you trying to use this as an excuse that you actually reasoning with Kakuzu feats to prove your points are right. Anyway, that is very hard to believe that he is, you should make a commentary about him whenever you have the time I would like to read it cause so far you think his techs are fodder. Can you please give the list of fodder jutsu's that killed Masked? Oh please quote what I didn't counter so I can see.
"You say it's a "strength" panel and not speed? Too bad, post a speed panel then. or else Kakuzu is slower than a snail and everything you said about KAKUZU being faster than PAIN is bullshit(implying it's not anyway). Don't avoid the subject because you can't actually prove Kakuzu's speed for crap...and if you can't provide a speed panel to prove it? Admit you don't have crap for his speed instead of repeatedly ignoring the facts."
How can I make a claim when I don't know exactly what Pain's speed is yet, all I said is so far Kakuzu has 4/5. And the rest of what you want was post in another sentence above. And you better not take my sentence as saying Kakuzu Speed>J man. I will say it again Kakuzu speed is still enought to keep pace in this battle, as for any other ninja. Sasuke is faster then Deidara that doesn't mean he loses because he is not in his speed, so is Hidan vs Asuma, AND LOTS more. More Example: 4th Raikage is physically stronger and faster then Madara, we can't conclude that he wins because they have it better
"HAHAHA you didn't even last a full post. Remember earlier when you said: "Lol, I mention databook stat once and yet you attacked me with the Shikimaru argument"? You can't say "DATABOOK STATS ARE WRONG" and then use them to support your argument lol. Pick one or the other, talk about a double standard. "
Show me where I said Databook stats are wrong, and then tell me if you feel like an idiot, you have to tell me
"Please tell me what my ego has anything to do with the facts of Jiraiya being superior to Kakuzu in basically every category."
Sure it wouldn't make sense if you want to switch what I am implying here:
""GG your ENTIRE post. I LOVE the 3 choices of stats you used to condemn Kakuzu and dig your own grave here lol. good work."
"Alright, I'm waiting but I definitely don't expect anything after all this"
"HAHAHA, you just admitted that you didn't in this thread, that's ridiculous.
A person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance, right?
"No proof? I didn't think so, because Kakuzu's not surviving, I love how you have literally no proof Domu can tank anywhere NEAR a technique like that. Inb4 after saying "lol, 2.5 speed, DB are bullshit" that you're now going to accept the DB and pull a double standard and accept it only when it BENEFITS your argument, and then post the Domu DB entry. I won't fall for your cajolery EjBlack."
Ignore the proof that I gave that Diamond skin more durable then rocks? OK two can play this invalid game. Ultra Ball has shown no feats since it was absorb by Preta Path. What proof do YOU have as of why it breaks Domu Domu? And I like how you add that I said DB is bullshit so again post where I decline DB use
"the hell are you rambling out about son. No, I mean these scans."
Funny, I thought Ten-Ten waving the fan would give you a hint that it was the wrong translation, here is the proper scan trans (This is a photo of someone buying this chapter in Viz translation and posting the correct trans (1):
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(2)The Bashosen has shown that is has a sweeping element attack:
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(3)the Anime clarifies it
(4)Even if it was Asuma's, that doesn't make Asuma's nor Kakuzu's tech fodder. Fighting a whole Shinobi Alliance with mask is harder to try and take out someone 1v1, so saying it got foddered in the war doesn't prove it's a fodder tech, no one would dare go out of their way do say this is true because it will imply 3rd Raikage, 1st hokage, and 2nd hokage.
"THE MASK DESTROYED EFFORTLESSLY AGAIN!"
(Sigh)You should of read the next page to avoid embarrassing yourself:
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Which one died effortlessly again?
"inb4 you ignore them so you don't have to admit they were destroyed by fodder attacks like I proved...again.
So what exactly about those am I "blindly interpreting"? And since you didn't know Asuma destroyed it easily, now you know. Maybe you'll rethink your answer since you apparently didn't know they had weak ass durability."
Lets see who is gonna rethink this through
"Maybe not making fake scans, but posting a pic of someone moving at 4mp and trying to claim it's faster than someone moving at sound speed is just outright retarded and being in denial. Before you jump to conclusions that was an example and the gap isn't that large. Althoguh, thanks to your lack of scans, it very well could be for all we know given how little proof you actually gave."
You are gonna probably revise these statements soon lol
"Ok then what, proceeds to get beaten down repeatedly until he runs out of chakra because he can't do shit and is admittedly by far slower and weaker? That's what I thought."
Making your fanfic doesn't prove you right, nor is taking J man out of character. Since they have never fought, you have no proof who will even blink first. This is what this thread is about and Vs threads all together. Coming up with what they have with feats they have, that can counter feats, then make a conclusion why they win. You don't see me posting silly fan fics that "Kakuzu shoots element bazookas from from all direction making it inescapable"(inb4 you take this out of context of this sentence:"-Kakuzu has wide radius of elemental bazooka's, that can come from different direction."), it's a stupid approach to win an argument.
"Trying to use sarcasm to avoid answering a completely legitimate argument? That's not how it works out, try again more seriously this time on how Kakuzu will actually hope to outlast someone with his chakra levels."
I could of easily done that, like I did in another thread with you:
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(Post 181), since I'm not copying and pasting all those picture BUT I DO like do add on:As you have know, maybe, Kakuzu has five chakra systems with different affinities:
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Like a posted in that thread doing those blast has to take a good toll of chakra. Kakuzu losing two heats in that battles did not complain about chakra. In fact he even increased it because he went to desperate mode:
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Conclusion: Kakuzu has good charka and will not be a problem to be used alot
Btw why you drop the reaction argument?
I said I was wrong about implying Base Speed and Strength.
Now which one will you actually admit being wrong about and not be in denial
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Rasengan's would do the work
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Explain how it cuts someone as hard as diamond
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Jiraya wins this mid diff. Jiraya with fukasaku and shima and then gamabunta. His combined jutsus with Ma and Pa and gamabunta would be too much for even Kakuzu's powerful jutsu's.
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Fukasaku and Shima is the reason why this battle goes high diff regardless, but what they lack is mobility in this battle, they need be to sitting ducks and perform jutsu, or else j man's sage mode will result into failure.
Gamabunta could possibly jeopardize his life being endangered, since Kakuzu is good at fighting giant monsters, hence being an Akatsuki capturing buijuu's. Coming at Kakuzu in range will result in getting blast from one of his elements, especially being a big target, something similar to do (Please don't imply that I said Kakuzu can push far like "Almight push" can:
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hahaahah really i cant believe the pole is that close kakazu would die very fast kakazu got beaten by regular kakashi wit chidori the only reason why kakazu didint die was because he had more than one heart..like 5 i think JIRAIYA WINS light work
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@Joki I am glad you are bringing a little bit more of a reasonable side, Just a tad bit, instead of resulting in a flame battle. I really can't stand flame wars, anyway (BTW, read my whole post to avoid confusions in sections)
"Very well,then you admitted you were wrong about them, so that's that, this is where those arguments are dropped."
Keep in mind I that I didn't agree of having better reaction
"It is indeed valid, however it won't actually do anything to Jiraiya at all. You're trying to prove why Kakuzu wins, posting scans that you admit do nothing to him is quite counter productive and pointless do you not agree? I don't need to have to address all of the pointless scans that you admit are irrelevant yourself, there's no point in posting them other than making it more annoying to respond to or point out which I'm not sure you're not trying to do."
Then let me start fresh to my counters, to avoid confusions... Showing that scan shows that he his base strength was able to knock an opponent through multiple trees. BUT, as you notice Domu Domu is a jutsu that hardens the body to make it as hard and powerful as a diamond. So yes indeed that base Strength could possibly knock J man through trees, with minor damage, it would be useless. BUT, enhancing his Domu skin that becomes more durable than Sage Skin gives Kakuzu the edge in a physically battle. SM skin does not increase it's body as durable as hard as a Diamond. So basically Kakuzu needs to enhance his body to stop SM physical attacks, which is where Domu comes in
"If you accept DB scans...then allow me to gladly:"
You still framed me for this when you found nothing that proves I did, why did you not say anything about that?
"The "Rasengan" is wildly rotating chakra in one's hand and containing it in a sphere. The "Big Ball Rasengan" uses an increased quantity of chakra between the hands of the real body and a Shadow Clone. "Sage Mode" Jiraiya adds natural energy to this, rapidly increasing the size to gigantic proportions!! The created ball of light is a raging storm, coiling like a whirlpool. If it explodes, it can easily hollow out an entire mountain...!!"
I know you don't have time to read through all the post but anyway I have made a post about someone bringing this up:
Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan was said that it can hollow out a Mountain. This is what to expect from this technique. Rasengan is basically a drill tech made with pure chakra. A Regular Rasengan can break a piece of rock from a moutain(Or drill a hole depending on it's size)
But comparing a Mountain rocks durability to a Diamond's doesn't help. Rasengan hasn't shown any feats of breaking something as hard as diamond. Rasengan attempting to drill it's way to Kakuzu's Domu (hard like Diamond) skin won't cause some type of serious damage. Even though this tech will plow Kakuzu to the ground, simalirites like this:
Also Misconceptions of Domu:
"For one, it doesn't turn the body into diamond, it just makes it as hard as diamond. If that was the reason then Kakuzu would take on all of the properties of diamond, including its shine.
2nd: Another misconception is the whole "diamond is brittle". Diamond cracks under sharp exertion of force not because it is hard, rather it does because it is brittle. Along with hardness, brittleness is another property of diamond. In engineering, hardness was never, is never, and will never be the same as brittleness. So Yes, diamond is brittle, but also hard, and the databook didn't say "Domu is as brittle as diamond". No where in canon was Domu associated with any other property of diamond besides its hardness. If Kakuzu were simply a giant diamond, Chouji Spiked Human Bullet Tank would have cracked him. That attack cratered the ground."
"diamond is hard,not strong,you know you can take a hammer and crush a diamond right?,diamond is harder than steel,but steel is way stornger,so kimi's bones being said to be above steel while in base(not even counting CS) means it is indeed above doton domu in strength,not hardness. Also it clearly says gaara crushes the HARDEST minerals,not STRONGEST. Kimi's bones resisted samurai chakra blades in base IIRC,but the pressure exertet by a 13 yr old gaara forced him to go CS1 first,then CS2 for the desert requiem. Kimi's bones in base would easily pierce a tree,or rock."
Also since you post Naruto scans one time, do you find them relevent for SM feats, to an extent(Ignore this part if you don't?):
Naruto almost hollowed a Summoning (without exploding). Since Domu makes his skin harder then this, do you still conclude that this defense will destroy the skin?
"When filled with oil, it's Hell boiling in a pot!!
A combination Sage Art performed by Jiraiya in "Sage Mode" and the Two Great Toad Sages. After having driven the enemy into a corner (e.g. indoors or in a pit), Jiraira releases large quantities of oil, Fukasaku performs a large Katon, and Shima a large Fuuton. Within an instant, that place will be filled with oil burning at temperatures of thousands of degrees."
Goemon tech is in interesting thing that I found to counter (The name of this tech reminds me of one of my favorite movies of all time). Anyway this counter is logical approach then feats, so I can understand why won't accept this counter: Kakuzu has five hearts, as you know, and each contains a affinity. Logically, since one was destroyed out of five, during his encounter with team 10 and Kakashi, must of been water, for being out of the 5 basically element. What makes Kakuzu famous about his elemental tech is the he fuses it powers. With Kakuzu's years of experience he should know what everything it takes for his elemental attacks to be superior. Before this becomes a longer paragraph, Kakuzu resulting to face Fire+Wind Combo+Oil leaves no choice but to counter it. To counter Fire+Wind you need Wind+Water:
But what about the Oil? Well the since the Water+Wind counters Fire+Wind, the Oil will result into cooling down, make it a tech that won't cause any harm
Counter for feats only: Wind Intense Pressure pushes the tech oil and delays the attack, which results for Kakuzu to move to a safe spot, hardening his feet would be good too XD. (I'm sticking with my logical approach)
The more you struggle, the more you sink
A bottomless swamp from Hell!!
By changing the ground into mud and creating a swamp, the enemy is sunk deep underground...!! The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body. It's impossible to recover one's strength and escape from there. The size and depth of the created swamp depend on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp! When fighting a great number of enemies or having to face gigantic creatures, this is an extremely effective technique.
The giant snake captured in this bog is prevented from moving! But if you ask Jiraiya, he'd say it is insufficient. The real goal of this technique is to completely submerge the target underground.
This swamp goes down to abysmal depths!!
Dark Swamp is a very confusing jutsu and never understood why someone who knows basic chakra control control can't walk over this. But this jutsu is a booby trap type. The feat counter I have is lightening release but a misconception approach I give it up to this thread (still could make it debatable though):
"I'm not contradicting myself, quote the exact sentence in which I did rather than an entire post with dozens of irrelevant un-spoiler tagged scans. I want to see it, I don't believe so, and that post doesn't actually have any text from me in i, it's yours."
Our arguments in the beginning were confusing and both resulting to not understanding what we are trying to point out so I'll drop whatever this argument was resulting
"While irrelevant you've missed plenty of subjects. This post proves my point in that, you seem to think that Jiraiya "not getting around Domu" somehow equals a win for Kakuzu which is not only ridiculous but wrong given you haven't posted any scans of Kakuzu hoping to harm Jiraiya...ever. "
Again with confusions so both of us starting fresh would be the only reasonable action to take:
Kakuzu elemental attacks have their own elemental feats I can go down the list of his 4(by logic 5) attacks and their purpose/description that was said in the data book which can harm J man. Its not reasonable to say they won't hurt J man (Elemental Bazookas that can decide any angle they want to fire it. Can you clarify this, do you mean J man can tank all his attacks?
"That's not how debating works Black. You can't look at someone's scan and say "Here are a few scans that are INFERIOR to that one scan" and act like you accomplished anything. Plus, you even admitted Kakuzu was weaker and slower, so drop it..that argument is long over."
Another confusion, this post was to prove innocent, because you accuse me for something I didn't attend that was all. Argument dropped
""Trying to change what I was implying" what exactly did I change? What part of Jiraiya being smashed through dozens of feet of concrete by a massive 200 ton boss summon with no scratches don't you understand, something tells me that hits a bit harder than a kunai, this is blatant avoiding the subject from you, I'd like to see you tackle the actual facts at hand and stay more relevant."
This is what I replied to, when you post this:"Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin." You claim that threads cannot pierce because the SM's skin will break if it comes into contact with a Kunai. But I showed you that it can be pierce. That Summon charging in is more of a crushing feat then piercing (My pretty sure the horns didn't catch J man according to that scan). My reply was only for what you implied, which was piercing the skin.
"You posted a scan of kunais piercing SM? I also posted a scan of chakra rods breaking on SM skin, and the above, which was actually on panel contrary to your scan. I think the quantity outweighs your one off-panel scan for this one."
That scan I pst was a chakra rod too, I thought you knew what they were, so I thought you implying it as a Kunai, and would imply is it a durable as one (with extra feats). You should notice HOW it broke instead of implying it was tanked. Plus tanking it would of contradict this page it if was (And the Manga cannot be wrong):
"Nope, actually I was talking about my OWN posts, but I'm glad you accept that you admit all of Jiraiya's scans are indeed superior and true. And again Black, watch the projection."
It seems you are ignoring that I said with Domu>J man strength, that as long as I say base strength is better for J man ur going to keep implying that it also includes with Domu too.
"Unlike others here, I don't let who I like as a character affect who I think wins in a vs match. You're supposed to NOT be biased, and NOT defend a character just because you like them. Sorry if because I say Kakuzu loses it sounds like I don't like him."
I always go for the over-looked under dogs in threads, not because they are my favorites, but because they get simply overlooked. If I can see their personal feats counter, I will make an arguments and how they can take this battle. It still bothers me that you don't acknowledge his techs, and claim they are fodder then say he is one of my fav
"I actually DID just that already. In fact I already posted 2 scans, I unspoilered them for you. They have big red circles around the masks being destroyed by techniques that are leagues under Jiraiya's far superior arsenal. Take a look at my previous post, they're like the only 2 scans I pointed out specifically so you wouldn't, or rather COULDN'T ignore them. You still did anyway, but oh well here I am reminding you yet again."
It really grinds my ears that you still implying dieing by fodder attacks. But we are both trying to be civil right now so I will explained the scan. In that battle Kakuzu had five hearts. One was killed by Kakashi. So what happen? Out of the 5 hearts one sacrifice it's self so the owner can still live again. Thus this leaves kakuzu having four more hearts. One was sacrifice then from there, the other 3 went on attack mode. So Kakuzu(1) and attacked Mask (3), get it? Now the Next heart died by Shiki's plan, Basically Hidan killed it on accident. The same heart that was sacrifice to Kakuzu for his first revival is now gone, because of Hidan. Now this leaves Kakuzu(0), Mask (3). NOW, it is time for one of the 3 Mask to sacrifices themselves to Kakuzu. Choji attempt this to not happened and tried to crush all of them before they could revive Kakuzu. Choji failed and did not kill none of them, they escaped his attack, which result to him being shocked in the next page. The Lightening Mask Sacrifice it's self to Kakuzu and give him his Heart. Now, Kakuzu(1) Mask (2). Get it?
"But seriously, you just accepted the DB scans as correct you can't possibly deny Jiraiya's victory with the above DB entries in mind. While I'm on the topic of more DB entries, try Sage Mode's fastest and most wide range ninjutsu: Kebari Senbon. Capable of limitless rapid fire and the ability to tear through Animal Pain's stone summon with ease, with arm lengthed multiple inch thick sage chakra imbued senbon. Oh, here's another, regular Odama Rasengan, which createst the impact of a meteorite upon collision. Not enough, then I'll direct you to earlier in my post when I mentioned the others including Cho Odama Rasengan which is easily 50 times bigger than the small Odama Rasengan."
I already post DB on Domu earlier. By DB, Domu clearly tanks these attacks
"Okay, see above to where Cho Odama Rasengan can hollow an entire mountain with its power, and the part where a faaaaaaaaar smaller Odama is like being hit with a meteorite. Now that you accepted DB as correct AGAIN, in the same paragraph of asking for proof from Cho Odama Rasengan...what can you do?"
Can read about Domu again one my first counter about Rasengan (With added info about misconceptions)
" like that you're desperate to prove it wrong, but the anime is non canon. Note where I circled the mask being destroyed. Tenten's quote was just a bonus, I had no intention of focusing on Tenten at all, but you directed the intention to her, which is cool for me I guess but it didn't do you any good. Whether Tenten says "he destroyed the mask" or "cool I found a fan la di da I'm over here minding my own business" is pretty irrelevant, you can see on both pages before this Asuma's jutsu. Sadly the anime didn't get to interview Kishi on that one."
I knew you would deny the anime part, it was obvious that is why I showed 4 proofs (three were manga) that it was not Asuma but the Sage's weapon. I also told you that it is irrevelent to say it got fodderize because this is in the mist of war fighting more then 10,000 Shinobi's. Flying around and attacking in the war would eventually get out numbered (and yet ten ten praise shows that it was difficult to catch them. If were to be reasonable, clearly they won't get fooderize, especially when Kakuzu has his eyes on him and not a whole army
"Again, please stop posting scans that have no relevance to the discussion. You said "read the next page" but that isn't even the next page...that page was from like chapters earlier, it had nothing to do with Choji destroying one of the masks at all. If you however, were to read the next page, you'd see Choji destroying one of the masks if it weren't made obvious by the (ignored) massive red circles."
Hopefully my previous explain has reasoned with you
"Exactly, that's the point of vs threads. Like I said Black, stay relevant. Post my "fanfic" here instead of blindly accusing me of writing a fanfic somewhere in our multiple posts, I have no idea what you're talking about. Hell, you even admitted that all of my scans were right.
I already know that Kakuzu has those jutsu, telling me "he has X and Y jutsu that you already countered btw" doesn't help."
Must been the confusion of both of us again. Ok. But don't get it twisted, me admitting base strength and speed doesn't give you the right to imply all your scans counters all mine
"I had the last post in that thread bro. Sadly it still has nothing to do with Jiraiya stomping Kakuzu."
You didn't your last post 191. Mine 192-193. But I suggest replying with a reasonable approach because we both were having an intolerant response. I took your response as to proof endurance/chakra Kakuzu has.
"That's circular logic. "Kakuzu has a lot of chakra, because Kakuzu used these elemental jutsu which take up a lot of chakra, I know they take up a lot of chakra because Kakuzu used them, and Kakuzu has a lot of chakra." Unfortunately there's no real way to quantify Kakuzu's chakra, while he has a lot to use all of those jutsu in that fight, he's capped out at not much more than that, on account that Jiraiya was actually shown on panel of having PLENTY more times that amount. Unfortunately you have nothing you can actually use to put Kakuzu's chakra levels remotely near Jiraiya's, if it comes to an endurance battle you would have to be a buffoon to not side with a Sage Mode user."
This wasn't to proof Kakuzu chakra>SM J man, this was to prove that chakra will not be a problem, which I type in conclusion. Keep in note that Ma and Pa being sitting sucks would mean they cannot fall off of J man at all in this battle. What Makes this an interesting battle is that, Kakuzu has jutsu's that can unbalance the frogs from staying on J man.
" didn't, you ended it when you accepted Jiraiya's scans into valid evidence."
I clearly said Reaction is still up for the debate in all my post. Don't take base strength and speed meaning nothing else can come into an argument. So yes bring it back up
"None, if you could actually prove something maybe that would change. But you see Black, some things are just proven fact in the manga and backed up by scans. That's why no matter what you do, there's simply nothing you can post that will put Kakuzu on a higher level or prove any of my scans wrong. It's just not possible. "
With both of us reasoning lets try this again
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And sorry for replying hopefully not too late, although like I mentioned earlier in my post, I'm not sure if it's intentional but your posts are incredibly annoyingly formatted to respond to, especially given random unimportant scans that I see ever so frequently. So try to actually post relevant scans or I'll end up posting some Sakura feats here to prove why Jiraiya wins."
Don't sweat it, it takes a while to give replies to these post. There were confusion on both on our parts so now, hopefully it is cleared up we don't have to go through them again.
Btw did you read the whole post first before reading it line by line to counter? I just don't want another confusion argument
"Very well,then you admitted you were wrong about them, so that's that, this is where those arguments are dropped."
Keep in mind I that I didn't agree of having better reaction
"It is indeed valid, however it won't actually do anything to Jiraiya at all. You're trying to prove why Kakuzu wins, posting scans that you admit do nothing to him is quite counter productive and pointless do you not agree? I don't need to have to address all of the pointless scans that you admit are irrelevant yourself, there's no point in posting them other than making it more annoying to respond to or point out which I'm not sure you're not trying to do."
Then let me start fresh to my counters, to avoid confusions... Showing that scan shows that he his base strength was able to knock an opponent through multiple trees. BUT, as you notice Domu Domu is a jutsu that hardens the body to make it as hard and powerful as a diamond. So yes indeed that base Strength could possibly knock J man through trees, with minor damage, it would be useless. BUT, enhancing his Domu skin that becomes more durable than Sage Skin gives Kakuzu the edge in a physically battle. SM skin does not increase it's body as durable as hard as a Diamond. So basically Kakuzu needs to enhance his body to stop SM physical attacks, which is where Domu comes in
"If you accept DB scans...then allow me to gladly:"
You still framed me for this when you found nothing that proves I did, why did you not say anything about that?
"The "Rasengan" is wildly rotating chakra in one's hand and containing it in a sphere. The "Big Ball Rasengan" uses an increased quantity of chakra between the hands of the real body and a Shadow Clone. "Sage Mode" Jiraiya adds natural energy to this, rapidly increasing the size to gigantic proportions!! The created ball of light is a raging storm, coiling like a whirlpool. If it explodes, it can easily hollow out an entire mountain...!!"
I know you don't have time to read through all the post but anyway I have made a post about someone bringing this up:
Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan was said that it can hollow out a Mountain. This is what to expect from this technique. Rasengan is basically a drill tech made with pure chakra. A Regular Rasengan can break a piece of rock from a moutain(Or drill a hole depending on it's size)
But comparing a Mountain rocks durability to a Diamond's doesn't help. Rasengan hasn't shown any feats of breaking something as hard as diamond. Rasengan attempting to drill it's way to Kakuzu's Domu (hard like Diamond) skin won't cause some type of serious damage. Even though this tech will plow Kakuzu to the ground, simalirites like this:
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Also Misconceptions of Domu:
"For one, it doesn't turn the body into diamond, it just makes it as hard as diamond. If that was the reason then Kakuzu would take on all of the properties of diamond, including its shine.
2nd: Another misconception is the whole "diamond is brittle". Diamond cracks under sharp exertion of force not because it is hard, rather it does because it is brittle. Along with hardness, brittleness is another property of diamond. In engineering, hardness was never, is never, and will never be the same as brittleness. So Yes, diamond is brittle, but also hard, and the databook didn't say "Domu is as brittle as diamond". No where in canon was Domu associated with any other property of diamond besides its hardness. If Kakuzu were simply a giant diamond, Chouji Spiked Human Bullet Tank would have cracked him. That attack cratered the ground."
"diamond is hard,not strong,you know you can take a hammer and crush a diamond right?,diamond is harder than steel,but steel is way stornger,so kimi's bones being said to be above steel while in base(not even counting CS) means it is indeed above doton domu in strength,not hardness. Also it clearly says gaara crushes the HARDEST minerals,not STRONGEST. Kimi's bones resisted samurai chakra blades in base IIRC,but the pressure exertet by a 13 yr old gaara forced him to go CS1 first,then CS2 for the desert requiem. Kimi's bones in base would easily pierce a tree,or rock."
Also since you post Naruto scans one time, do you find them relevent for SM feats, to an extent(Ignore this part if you don't?):
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Naruto almost hollowed a Summoning (without exploding). Since Domu makes his skin harder then this, do you still conclude that this defense will destroy the skin?
"When filled with oil, it's Hell boiling in a pot!!
A combination Sage Art performed by Jiraiya in "Sage Mode" and the Two Great Toad Sages. After having driven the enemy into a corner (e.g. indoors or in a pit), Jiraira releases large quantities of oil, Fukasaku performs a large Katon, and Shima a large Fuuton. Within an instant, that place will be filled with oil burning at temperatures of thousands of degrees."
Goemon tech is in interesting thing that I found to counter (The name of this tech reminds me of one of my favorite movies of all time). Anyway this counter is logical approach then feats, so I can understand why won't accept this counter: Kakuzu has five hearts, as you know, and each contains a affinity. Logically, since one was destroyed out of five, during his encounter with team 10 and Kakashi, must of been water, for being out of the 5 basically element. What makes Kakuzu famous about his elemental tech is the he fuses it powers. With Kakuzu's years of experience he should know what everything it takes for his elemental attacks to be superior. Before this becomes a longer paragraph, Kakuzu resulting to face Fire+Wind Combo+Oil leaves no choice but to counter it. To counter Fire+Wind you need Wind+Water:
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But what about the Oil? Well the since the Water+Wind counters Fire+Wind, the Oil will result into cooling down, make it a tech that won't cause any harm
Counter for feats only: Wind Intense Pressure pushes the tech oil and delays the attack, which results for Kakuzu to move to a safe spot, hardening his feet would be good too XD. (I'm sticking with my logical approach)
The more you struggle, the more you sink
A bottomless swamp from Hell!!
By changing the ground into mud and creating a swamp, the enemy is sunk deep underground...!! The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body. It's impossible to recover one's strength and escape from there. The size and depth of the created swamp depend on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp! When fighting a great number of enemies or having to face gigantic creatures, this is an extremely effective technique.
The giant snake captured in this bog is prevented from moving! But if you ask Jiraiya, he'd say it is insufficient. The real goal of this technique is to completely submerge the target underground.
This swamp goes down to abysmal depths!!
Dark Swamp is a very confusing jutsu and never understood why someone who knows basic chakra control control can't walk over this. But this jutsu is a booby trap type. The feat counter I have is lightening release but a misconception approach I give it up to this thread (still could make it debatable though):
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. But Lightening Mask would be the perfect support while J man attempts to attack a trapped opponent "I'm not contradicting myself, quote the exact sentence in which I did rather than an entire post with dozens of irrelevant un-spoiler tagged scans. I want to see it, I don't believe so, and that post doesn't actually have any text from me in i, it's yours."
Our arguments in the beginning were confusing and both resulting to not understanding what we are trying to point out so I'll drop whatever this argument was resulting
"While irrelevant you've missed plenty of subjects. This post proves my point in that, you seem to think that Jiraiya "not getting around Domu" somehow equals a win for Kakuzu which is not only ridiculous but wrong given you haven't posted any scans of Kakuzu hoping to harm Jiraiya...ever. "
Again with confusions so both of us starting fresh would be the only reasonable action to take:
Kakuzu elemental attacks have their own elemental feats I can go down the list of his 4(by logic 5) attacks and their purpose/description that was said in the data book which can harm J man. Its not reasonable to say they won't hurt J man (Elemental Bazookas that can decide any angle they want to fire it. Can you clarify this, do you mean J man can tank all his attacks?
"That's not how debating works Black. You can't look at someone's scan and say "Here are a few scans that are INFERIOR to that one scan" and act like you accomplished anything. Plus, you even admitted Kakuzu was weaker and slower, so drop it..that argument is long over."
Another confusion, this post was to prove innocent, because you accuse me for something I didn't attend that was all. Argument dropped
""Trying to change what I was implying" what exactly did I change? What part of Jiraiya being smashed through dozens of feet of concrete by a massive 200 ton boss summon with no scratches don't you understand, something tells me that hits a bit harder than a kunai, this is blatant avoiding the subject from you, I'd like to see you tackle the actual facts at hand and stay more relevant."
This is what I replied to, when you post this:"Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin." You claim that threads cannot pierce because the SM's skin will break if it comes into contact with a Kunai. But I showed you that it can be pierce. That Summon charging in is more of a crushing feat then piercing (My pretty sure the horns didn't catch J man according to that scan). My reply was only for what you implied, which was piercing the skin.
"You posted a scan of kunais piercing SM? I also posted a scan of chakra rods breaking on SM skin, and the above, which was actually on panel contrary to your scan. I think the quantity outweighs your one off-panel scan for this one."
That scan I pst was a chakra rod too, I thought you knew what they were, so I thought you implying it as a Kunai, and would imply is it a durable as one (with extra feats). You should notice HOW it broke instead of implying it was tanked. Plus tanking it would of contradict this page it if was (And the Manga cannot be wrong):
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"Nope, actually I was talking about my OWN posts, but I'm glad you accept that you admit all of Jiraiya's scans are indeed superior and true. And again Black, watch the projection."
It seems you are ignoring that I said with Domu>J man strength, that as long as I say base strength is better for J man ur going to keep implying that it also includes with Domu too.
"Unlike others here, I don't let who I like as a character affect who I think wins in a vs match. You're supposed to NOT be biased, and NOT defend a character just because you like them. Sorry if because I say Kakuzu loses it sounds like I don't like him."
I always go for the over-looked under dogs in threads, not because they are my favorites, but because they get simply overlooked. If I can see their personal feats counter, I will make an arguments and how they can take this battle. It still bothers me that you don't acknowledge his techs, and claim they are fodder then say he is one of my fav
"I actually DID just that already. In fact I already posted 2 scans, I unspoilered them for you. They have big red circles around the masks being destroyed by techniques that are leagues under Jiraiya's far superior arsenal. Take a look at my previous post, they're like the only 2 scans I pointed out specifically so you wouldn't, or rather COULDN'T ignore them. You still did anyway, but oh well here I am reminding you yet again."
It really grinds my ears that you still implying dieing by fodder attacks. But we are both trying to be civil right now so I will explained the scan. In that battle Kakuzu had five hearts. One was killed by Kakashi. So what happen? Out of the 5 hearts one sacrifice it's self so the owner can still live again. Thus this leaves kakuzu having four more hearts. One was sacrifice then from there, the other 3 went on attack mode. So Kakuzu(1) and attacked Mask (3), get it? Now the Next heart died by Shiki's plan, Basically Hidan killed it on accident. The same heart that was sacrifice to Kakuzu for his first revival is now gone, because of Hidan. Now this leaves Kakuzu(0), Mask (3). NOW, it is time for one of the 3 Mask to sacrifices themselves to Kakuzu. Choji attempt this to not happened and tried to crush all of them before they could revive Kakuzu. Choji failed and did not kill none of them, they escaped his attack, which result to him being shocked in the next page. The Lightening Mask Sacrifice it's self to Kakuzu and give him his Heart. Now, Kakuzu(1) Mask (2). Get it?
"But seriously, you just accepted the DB scans as correct you can't possibly deny Jiraiya's victory with the above DB entries in mind. While I'm on the topic of more DB entries, try Sage Mode's fastest and most wide range ninjutsu: Kebari Senbon. Capable of limitless rapid fire and the ability to tear through Animal Pain's stone summon with ease, with arm lengthed multiple inch thick sage chakra imbued senbon. Oh, here's another, regular Odama Rasengan, which createst the impact of a meteorite upon collision. Not enough, then I'll direct you to earlier in my post when I mentioned the others including Cho Odama Rasengan which is easily 50 times bigger than the small Odama Rasengan."
I already post DB on Domu earlier. By DB, Domu clearly tanks these attacks
"Okay, see above to where Cho Odama Rasengan can hollow an entire mountain with its power, and the part where a faaaaaaaaar smaller Odama is like being hit with a meteorite. Now that you accepted DB as correct AGAIN, in the same paragraph of asking for proof from Cho Odama Rasengan...what can you do?"
Can read about Domu again one my first counter about Rasengan (With added info about misconceptions)
" like that you're desperate to prove it wrong, but the anime is non canon. Note where I circled the mask being destroyed. Tenten's quote was just a bonus, I had no intention of focusing on Tenten at all, but you directed the intention to her, which is cool for me I guess but it didn't do you any good. Whether Tenten says "he destroyed the mask" or "cool I found a fan la di da I'm over here minding my own business" is pretty irrelevant, you can see on both pages before this Asuma's jutsu. Sadly the anime didn't get to interview Kishi on that one."
I knew you would deny the anime part, it was obvious that is why I showed 4 proofs (three were manga) that it was not Asuma but the Sage's weapon. I also told you that it is irrevelent to say it got fodderize because this is in the mist of war fighting more then 10,000 Shinobi's. Flying around and attacking in the war would eventually get out numbered (and yet ten ten praise shows that it was difficult to catch them. If were to be reasonable, clearly they won't get fooderize, especially when Kakuzu has his eyes on him and not a whole army
"Again, please stop posting scans that have no relevance to the discussion. You said "read the next page" but that isn't even the next page...that page was from like chapters earlier, it had nothing to do with Choji destroying one of the masks at all. If you however, were to read the next page, you'd see Choji destroying one of the masks if it weren't made obvious by the (ignored) massive red circles."
Hopefully my previous explain has reasoned with you
"Exactly, that's the point of vs threads. Like I said Black, stay relevant. Post my "fanfic" here instead of blindly accusing me of writing a fanfic somewhere in our multiple posts, I have no idea what you're talking about. Hell, you even admitted that all of my scans were right.
I already know that Kakuzu has those jutsu, telling me "he has X and Y jutsu that you already countered btw" doesn't help."
Must been the confusion of both of us again. Ok. But don't get it twisted, me admitting base strength and speed doesn't give you the right to imply all your scans counters all mine
"I had the last post in that thread bro. Sadly it still has nothing to do with Jiraiya stomping Kakuzu."
You didn't your last post 191. Mine 192-193. But I suggest replying with a reasonable approach because we both were having an intolerant response. I took your response as to proof endurance/chakra Kakuzu has.
"That's circular logic. "Kakuzu has a lot of chakra, because Kakuzu used these elemental jutsu which take up a lot of chakra, I know they take up a lot of chakra because Kakuzu used them, and Kakuzu has a lot of chakra." Unfortunately there's no real way to quantify Kakuzu's chakra, while he has a lot to use all of those jutsu in that fight, he's capped out at not much more than that, on account that Jiraiya was actually shown on panel of having PLENTY more times that amount. Unfortunately you have nothing you can actually use to put Kakuzu's chakra levels remotely near Jiraiya's, if it comes to an endurance battle you would have to be a buffoon to not side with a Sage Mode user."
This wasn't to proof Kakuzu chakra>SM J man, this was to prove that chakra will not be a problem, which I type in conclusion. Keep in note that Ma and Pa being sitting sucks would mean they cannot fall off of J man at all in this battle. What Makes this an interesting battle is that, Kakuzu has jutsu's that can unbalance the frogs from staying on J man.
" didn't, you ended it when you accepted Jiraiya's scans into valid evidence."
I clearly said Reaction is still up for the debate in all my post. Don't take base strength and speed meaning nothing else can come into an argument. So yes bring it back up
"None, if you could actually prove something maybe that would change. But you see Black, some things are just proven fact in the manga and backed up by scans. That's why no matter what you do, there's simply nothing you can post that will put Kakuzu on a higher level or prove any of my scans wrong. It's just not possible. "
With both of us reasoning lets try this again
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And sorry for replying hopefully not too late, although like I mentioned earlier in my post, I'm not sure if it's intentional but your posts are incredibly annoyingly formatted to respond to, especially given random unimportant scans that I see ever so frequently. So try to actually post relevant scans or I'll end up posting some Sakura feats here to prove why Jiraiya wins."
Don't sweat it, it takes a while to give replies to these post. There were confusion on both on our parts so now, hopefully it is cleared up we don't have to go through them again.
Btw did you read the whole post first before reading it line by line to counter? I just don't want another confusion argument
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FearxDeath
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Umm, wasnt Kakuza beaten by Naruto pretty much single handedly when he didnt even have sage mode? Why in the world are people taking this seriously...
Jiraiya ezpz
Jiraiya ezpz
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As I know Jman can't use the FRS.
OT: Base Jiraiya would loose to Kakuzu, but not SM.
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That's what I always do, but somehow I'm doubting every time you coincidentally get proven wrong it's just a missunderstanding.
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Will edit this post for counter soon, since I gotta go to work. And so far reading yu whole post shows a lot of lack of comprehension skills.
Coming soon.
Coming soon.
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Will edit this post for counter soon, since I gotta go to work. And so far reading yu whole post shows a lot of lack of comprehension skills.
Coming soon.