SM Jiraiya vs. Guy 6 Gates

[Touken]

Shinra Tensei is on a completely different scale than Hirudora. The blast that sent the toads flying is the same size as the one that destroyed the village. Also, Hirudora is in only one direction and so it can't repel three frogs coming from different directions all at once. If Gai uses Hirudora, Jiraiya can use a boss toad as a meat shield (the toad would at least absorb the blow and protect Jiraiya, seeing as a weakened Kisame tanked it head on with no permanent damage.) Then Jiraiya can just summon another toad and Gai is now exhausted.

@bold, hell no. Hirudora is omni-directional [

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], exactly like Shinra Tensei. Jiraiya can't use a boss toad as a meat shield, first of all, that's against his character and certainly against his morals, considering these toads have a conscious and aren't just weapons used for battle, and secondly, if Jiraiya did try that, he die along with the boss toad, bearing in mind that Hirudora's range is big and the boss toad isn't going to absorb the entire blast. I've already addressed the Kisame part in an earlier post.

Jiraiya isn't beating 7G Gai.

Even if sound genjutsu can be countered by inflicting pain, The frog sound genjutsu is one of the greatest and strongest genjutsu. Fact is, If Gai gets caught in it he'll have to inflict pain on himself. And the stronger/greater the genjutsu the harder it is to break out of it.

Orochimaru had to dismember his own arm to get out of Itachi's genjutsu. So what kind of pain does Gai have to inflict on himself to even hope to get out. He'll have to injure himself which is not good for Gai because he has to rely on Taijutsu.

After using 5 Gates and up, the technique inflicts pain upon the user. That itself acts as an auto-immunity to genjutsu, regardless of whichever genjutsu it is.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Even if sound genjutsu can be countered by inflicting pain, The frog sound genjutsu is one of the greatest and strongest genjutsu. Fact is, If Gai gets caught in it he'll have to inflict pain on himself. And the stronger/greater the genjutsu the harder it is to break out of it.

Orochimaru had to dismember his own arm to get out of Itachi's genjutsu. So what kind of pain does Gai have to inflict on himself to even hope to get out. He'll have to injure himself which is not good for Gai because he has to rely on Taijutsu.

Actually itachi chopped his hand off

 

[DaileyM]

@bold, hell no. Hirudora is omni-directional [

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], exactly like Shinra Tensei. Jiraiya can't use a boss toad as a meat shield, first of all, that's against his character and certainly against his morals, considering these toads have a conscious and aren't just weapons used for battle, and secondly, if Jiraiya did try that, he die along with the boss toad, bearing in mind that Hirudora's range is big and the boss toad isn't going to absorb the entire blast. I've already addressed the Kisame part in an earlier post.

Jiraiya isn't beating 7G Gai.

After using 5 Gates and up, the technique inflicts pain upon the user. That itself acts as an auto-immunity to genjutsu, regardless of whichever genjutsu it is.

I'm aware of that, But is that enough pain to break out of one of the strongest genjutsus out there?

Actually itachi chopped his hand off

Yeah i know thanks for the correction.

 

[Touken]

I'm aware of that, But is that enough pain to break out of one of the strongest genjutsus out there?

It should be. 5G (5 Gates) and up inflict a lethal amount of strain on the body.

 

[DaileyM]

It should be. 5G (5 Gates) and up inflict a lethal amount of strain on the body.

Well if Sound Genjutsu does indeed work that way then Gai takes this. med diff at most.

However if Sound Genjutsu works different Gai loses.

 

[Touken]

Well if Sound Genjutsu does indeed work that way then Gai takes this. med diff at most.

However if Sound Genjutsu works different Gai loses.

Ok, fair enough.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well if Sound Genjutsu does indeed work that way then Gai takes this. med diff at most.

However if Sound Genjutsu works different Gai loses.

I don't think sound gen works that way tbh since sound is a continuous medium. As long as the victim hears the sound they remain in the genjutsu.
Kinda like the trollkage's mist based gen. Ppl were dying left and right yet the genjutsu didn't end until the mist was dispelled.

 

[Touken]

I don't think sound gen works that way tbh since sound is a continuous medium. As long as the victim hears the sound they remain in the genjutsu.
Kinda like the trollkage's mist based gen. Ppl were dying left and right yet the genjutsu didn't end until the mist was dispelled.

I'm pretty sure Ma & Pa stop the sound genjutsu as soon as their opponent's caught in it. Kinda like how Tayuya stopped playing her flute as soon as Shikamaru was caught in her sound genjutsu.

 

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This should be enough to destroy jiraiya

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm pretty sure Ma & Pa stop the sound genjutsu as soon as their opponent's caught in it. Kinda like how Tayuya stopped playing her flute as soon as Shikamaru was caught in her sound genjutsu.

Didn't he break out right after she stopped playing?
As for frog song we don't see when it stops. We get pains point of view.

 

[Anime Fan]

Jiraya will win

 

[Touken]

Didn't he break out right after she stopped playing?
As for frog song we don't see when it stops. We get pains point of view.

No, he was still stuck in the sound genjutsu after she stopped playing. He broke out by using his Shadow Mimic technique on himself and using that to break his finger.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

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[MightGai]

He first have to summon the toads, enter imperfect SM mode, have the toads align their voices and then sing. He's going to wait all that sitting? Plus

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Pain breaks out of Genjutsu, the 8th Gates are constant pain on your body, so he pretty much is immune to genjutsu.

 

[Latios]

A measly Shinra Tensei took out all 3 Boss Toads. Hirudora, which has similar effects as Shinra Tensei, would defeat any of Jiraiya's toads.

Just want to point out that it wasn't a measly Shinra Tensei.

 

[Touken]

Just want to point out that it wasn't a measly Shinra Tensei.

Weaker than Hirudora though.