[VS] SM Hashirama vs Minato

[Great Master Minato]

By feats? Who knows? It's your job to show us why he can

& how can I do that considering Minato's sheer lack of feats? All I know is that portrayal & hype put him above Tobirama in speed.

 

[Apêx1]

Baseless claims are baseless^
Tobirama is portrayed to tag a god like Juubito, Minato has no such portrayal. He's portrayed to be the one who innovated Tobirama's signature move, thus he's superior with that signature move. Doesn't make him superior in everything else, because if that was the case Minato's chakra would be comparable to Tobirama's (it isn't). Tobirama's striking speed>Minato's, until proven otherwise, meaning the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

SM Hashi reacts and pastes him with SM tai.

 

[Oblivionx]

Minato should win because:
1)SM hashirama is not equal to SM madara in reactions department... madara had far better reactions in SM...
2) even if minato misses 1st blitz, hashirama can't possibly one shot minato and ninjutsu being restricted, hashirama has to go for taijutsu which result in him getting tagged and there is no reacting after that unless someone thinks that SM hashirama > jubito in reactions... and minato can use his limited SM just to be sure that he'd tag hashirama....

 

[KidGamer65]

& how can I do that considering Minato's sheer lack of feats? All I know is that portrayal & hype put him above Tobirama in speed.

Then I guess you don't have an argument, because portrayal and hype put him above Tobirama in general speed, not every single specific area of speed.

:lol Minato doesn't even have a lack of feats, stop with that BS. You mean to say that Minato has a lack of feats that'd prove your argument.

 

[LuckyMan]

Baseless claims are baseless^
Tobirama is portrayed to tag a god like Juubito, Minato has no such portrayal. He's portrayed to be the one who innovated Tobirama's signature move, thus he's superior with that signature move. Doesn't make him superior in everything else, because if that was the case Minato's chakra would be comparable to Tobirama's (it isn't). Tobirama's striking speed>Minato's, until proven otherwise, meaning the burden of proof is on you.

He isn't portrayed, he actually did tag Jubito, but he lost half of his body to achieve it. While I do think Alive Tobirama could react with Hirashin in that same scenario and escape, I don't think he could tag him and use Hirashin after to escape so either he can escape with Hirashin or die tagging him, just like Minato would, so at the very least I'd say they're equal.

 

[Apêx1]

He isn't portrayed, he actually did tag Jubito, but he lost half of his body to achieve it. While I do think Alive Tobirama could react with Hirashin in that same scenario and escape, I don't think he could tag him and use Hirashin after to escape so either he can escape with Hirashin or die tagging him, just like Minato would, so at the very least I'd say they're equal.

I hope you know that something being portrayed in a manga can also mean something being outright shown, ie displayed. The rest really is irrelevant though, there's literally nothing which puts Minato's striking speed at Tobirama's level, especially when Bee reacted to it.

 

[BlacLord™]

Minato shits. People seem to forget that 1 eye Rinnegan Madara that shitted on Tobirama has a small amount of Hagoromo chakra.​

Tobirama dodged all of his physical attacks. His only option to stop Tobirama would've been Limbo and that was despite Tobirama only being an Edo, and Madara alive.

Minato on the other hand, had slower reflexes than Tobirama. Facing Juubito, he was still thinking whilst Tobirama was well in acting despite him being further away than Minato. He had already thought up a strategy, dispatched a Kage Bunshin and returned the "gift" whilst Minato was still catching flies.

And don't tell tell me he could replicate it GMM, because if he could've, he would have done so.

The difference between Edo form and alive is notable too. The difference between Edo Madara and Alive Blind non-SM Madara was a gulf.


People have been too quick to answer because this isn't just a battle of speed. Hashirama may not have been as quick as Tobirama, but he was still able to work at his level of speed against Juubito. Moreover, Kunai slashes are going to be ineffectual against his naturally occurring Saisei Nōryoku, as proved when BM Minato did the same to Obito. And he didn't even posess the entire thing, and still went on to fight. To top that off, he was a natural sensor unlike Obito, who didn't show sensory ability until he became Juubi Jin.

Also, the OP's stipulations don't restrict genjutsu. A genjutsu which Hiruzen couldn't break, so one that Minato is even less likely to break and therefore put him at a further disadvantage.

 

[LuckyMan]

I hope you know that something being portrayed in a manga can also mean something being outright shown, ie displayed. The rest really is irrelevant though, there's literally nothing which puts Minato's striking speed at Tobirama's level, especially when Bee reacted to it.

Tobirama took advantage of being Edo and got his body torn in half to achieve that feat. If he could achieve the same feat and not get killed then you'd have a point but he can't.

Bee didnt react to Minato striking speed because Minato never tried to strike him. Holding a Kunai over someones head isnt a striking motion.

 

[Apêx1]

Tobirama took advantage of being Edo and got his body torn in half to achieve that feat. If he could achieve the same feat and not get killed then you'd have a point but he can't.

Bee didnt react to Minato striking speed because Minato never tried to strike him. Holding a Kunai over someones head isnt a striking motion.

Doesn't take away from the feat at all, because the fact remains that he could move his hands fast enough. Anything else is irrelevant because it's still a feat far above anything Minato has achieved with his striking speed.

I was referring to Minato trying to attack Ay, but Bee's tentacle reaching and pushing him away before he could strike.

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[Great Master Minato]

Baseless claims are baseless^
Tobirama is portrayed to tag a god like Juubito, Minato has no such portrayal. He's portrayed to be the one who innovated Tobirama's signature move, thus he's superior with that signature move. Doesn't make him superior in everything else, because if that was the case Minato's chakra would be comparable to Tobirama's (it isn't). Tobirama's striking speed>Minato's, until proven otherwise, meaning the burden of proof is on you.

Portrayal: Tobirama was the fastest Shinobi of his time, Minato was the fastest Shinobi of all time.
I just proved that portrayal put Minato above Tobirama in speed.

Then I guess you don't have an argument, because portrayal and hype put him above Tobirama in general speed, not every single specific area of speed.

:lol Minato doesn't even have a lack of feats, stop with that BS. You mean to say that Minato has a lack of feats that'd prove your argument.

He lacks feats in striking speed department!
He showed impressive reflexes/reaction time & foot speed/Shunshin feats but he didn't show impressive striking feats except flicking a Kunai to V2 Ay blind spot without him noticing.
Also Tobirama himself complimented Minato for his striking.

And don't tell tell me he could replicate it GMM, because if he could've, he would have done so.

You should consider the situations as well, Minato was in action while Tobirama was standing there watching with his arms crossed!
You can't prove that if Tobirama was in Minato's place, Minato couldn't replicate what he did or Minato can't tag Juubito at the cost of half of his body.

Through out the whole series Minato was hailed as the "Flash" but since Kishi ruined him in the war & Tobirama shined everyone put him above Minato. U_U

 

[Airbear]

Tobirama has better feats... Don't know what there is to argue about... Plus look who his fave is

 

[Great Master Minato]

Tobirama has better feats... Don't know what there is to argue about... Plus look who his fave is

Did you even read my posts? I said Tobirama has better feats but hype & portrayal is on Minato's side & put him above Tobirama, meaning it isn't outlandish to assume Minato can replicate Tobirama's feats or even better.
So if you're gonna put Tobirama above Minato atleast say featwise Tobirama is better!
BTW Tobirama is my second fave so don't try to downplay me just because I like Minato.

 

[Airbear]

I smell butthurt

 

[KidGamer65]

He lacks feats in striking speed department!
He showed impressive reflexes/reaction time & foot speed/Shunshin feats but he didn't show impressive striking feats except flicking a Kunai to V2 Ay blind spot without him noticing.
Also Tobirama himself complimented Minato for his striking.

No, he lacks feats that'd prove your point. Learn the difference. Not to mention Tobirama complimented him on setting up the Kunai so quickly. Nothing to do with striking speed.