[VS] SM Hashirama vs Minato

[Apêx1]

Location: Desert
Diatance: 20 meters
Restrictions: Any ninjutsu that isn't FTG, summons
Condition: Minato gets 5 FTG Kunai
Intel: Full

 

[DrProof]

So Hashirama can't do anything except stand there, and get FTG Kunai'd to the face? Savage.

 

[Apêx1]

So Hashirama can't do anything except stand there, and get FTG Kunai'd to the face? Savage.

The debate is whether Hashrima can react in time/counter. SM strength should one shot if he can anticipate him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Hashi gets negged

 

[DrProof]

The debate is whether Hashrima can react in time/counter. SM strength should one shot if he can anticipate him.

Madara did I believe with SM. Hashirama should as well. Don't quote me on this, as I asked the same thing awhile back, and got that answer.

 

[Nattana]

Hashi enters SM, dodges everything and outlasts Minato.

 

[Apêx1]

Madara did I believe with SM. Hashirama should as well. Don't quote me on this, as I asked the same thing awhile back, and got that answer.

He did, but he had one of his eyes back at the time, so he was enhanced by Rikudo chakra. But he was reacting without knowledge, and the rest was reacted to without much trouble. I want to see if people think Hashirama can replicate that with intel on the initial 'blitz'.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Minato ain't landing shit on Hashi with SM.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Depends on two things:
1)Whether SM Hashirama's reflexes is equal or inferior to SM Madara's.
2)Whether Minato's striking speed is equal or superior to Tobirama's.

 

[LuckyMan]

The debate is whether Hashrima can react in time/counter. SM strength should one shot if he can anticipate him.

He cant. In reactions it goes,

Madara = SM Hashirama

Madara w/ Hashirama SM Chakra > SM Hashirama

Edo Tobirama missed Madara with Hirashin Giri by a hair, despite him being Edo with lower stats across the board. Make it alive Tobirama with his full stats and I'm sure Madara wouldn't have dodged that (not that it would have killed him any way he had super durability/regen) so he either would have gotten hit or had to use Susanoo to defend.

Minato > Tobirama in reaction/striking speeds so Hashirama would get hit, but again, his SM durability would allow him to survive, that is unless Minato attacks him in his own SM.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato would win.

SM RT Madara>EMS Madara=SM Hashirama in reaction speed.

 

[Apêx1]

Minato would win.

SM RT Madara>EMS Madara=SM Hashirama in reaction speed.

But don't you think with intel and Minato's striking speed being inferior to Tobirama's, he'd be able to react? I mean, his teleportation speed is obviously very fast, but his striking speed should be no different from Madara's. And Hashirama can react to that in base, so if he's given SM he'd know were Minato is in that instant and be able to counter.

 

[KidGamer65]

But don't you think with intel and Minato's striking speed being inferior to Tobirama's, he'd be able to react? I mean, his teleportation speed is obviously very fast, but his striking speed should be no different from Madara's. And Hashirama can react to that in base, so if he's given SM he'd know were Minato is in that instant and be able to counter.

Meh, don't know. It's actually very likely that he reacts as long as he doesn't get a tag considering he should be in the same realm as KCM Minato, KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke in reaction speed, and B was able to intercept his strike with a tentacle.

But I dunno.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato shits. People seem to forget that 1 eye Rinnegan Madara that shitted on Tobirama has a small amount of Hagoromo chakra.​

 

[Great Master Minato]

But don't you think with intel and Minato's striking speed being inferior to Tobirama's, he'd be able to react? I mean, his teleportation speed is obviously very fast, but his striking speed should be no different from Madara's. And Hashirama can react to that in base, so if he's given SM he'd know were Minato is in that instant and be able to counter.

Except Minato's striking speed isn't inferior to Tobirama. (Don't bring up tagging Juubito since there's nothing that indicates Minato couldn't replicate the same feat or better, actually DB portrayal & hype is in Minato's side in speed department...despite both having FTG Minato was the flash not Tobirama, this should tell you something.)

Meh, don't know. It's actually very likely that he reacts as long as he doesn't get a tag considering he should be in the same realm as KCM Minato, KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke in reaction speed, and B was able to intercept his strike with a tentacle.

But I dunno.

Minato had to put momentum behind his attack to be able to pierce Ay so he stroke slower than usual. (You said it yourself)

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think Minato win

 

[Great Master Minato]

Correct me if I'm wrong...having Indra's + Ashura's Chakra will bloom Hagoromo's Chakra in your body thus awakening the Rinnegan.
So Old Madara at the verge of death had Rikudo Ckakra & we know that Rinne Tensei revives you in the same state before you died hence Madara having no eyes.

Conclusion: Revived Madara who countered Tobirama's blitz had Rikudo Chakra.

One can say that Rinnegan itself has Rikudo Chakra but I think only the original user can use it since neither Nagato or Obito didn't show any sign of having Rikudo Chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except Minato's striking speed isn't inferior to Tobirama. (Don't bring up tagging Juubito since there's nothing that indicates Minato couldn't replicate the same feat or better, actually DB portrayal & hype is in Minato's side in speed department...despite both having FTG Minato was the flash not Tobirama, this should tell you something.)


Minato had to put momentum behind his attack to be able to pierce Ay so he stroke slower than usual. (You said it yourself)

I know, that's why I said I don't know. But your logic above is terrible. Tobirama's feats surpass Minato's. Period.

 

[Great Master Minato]

I know, that's why I said I don't know. But your logic above is terrible. Tobirama's feats surpass Minato's. Period.

Yes, Tobirama's feat Surpass Minato's but are you sure that Minato couldn't pull the same feat or even better if he was in Tobirama's place?

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, Tobirama's feat Surpass Minato's but are you sure that Minato couldn't pull the same feat or even better if he was in Tobirama's place?

By feats? Who knows? It's your job to show us why he can