SM Hashirama vs. 8G Gai

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Now, this is not the typical Vs. thread that you'd see in the Colosseum, so hear me out before posting.

This is a thread dedicated to establish which ninja is superior, not in a 1v1 rather, holistically. I'll set the stage just so you can see what is expected:

8G Gai is evidently superior in power, but SM Hashirama's AoE and Defensive capabilities enables him to excel in areas where 8G Gai cannot. 8G Gai did compete with a Juubi Jin, but his short-lived power would go in vain when presented with specific situations where Hashirama's utility would've been far more instrumental than 8G Gai's glorified power. For instance:



Gai was immediately hesitant upon using the 8th Gate's due to the risk it poses to the user and even if it were capable of deterring those Bijuudama, he would not have been capable of fending off flurries of Bijuudama continuously nor would he have been capable of freeing the Bijuu from Obito's control. In a scenario such as this, 8G Gai's power would've been fruitless as he would've simply delayed the inevitable and would've died for nothing. Hashirama's capabilities enables him to defend against those Bijuudama with relative ease, effortlessly ensnare the Bijuu, free them from Obito's control, and ultimately save the entire team; something Gai cannot do.

Hashirama's Mokuton has more value because serves as the most expedient method to capturing and restraining targets with ease; perfect for gathering information, , or restraining and Edo Tensei to seal them away. Hashirama's defensive capabilities also would've enabled him to alter the trajectory of a Juubidama, thus, saving an entire Shinobi Alliance from a Juubidama with a mere clone and could've accomplished more had the original not been occupied with Madara.

This is just a prime example of what I'm talking about. Not just 1v1, but in general. 8G Gai might have more power, but guys such as Minato, Naruto, and Hashirama were more instrumental than Gai would've ever been against the Juubi due to their utility and ability to protect an entire team.
 

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Yes you have point Mokuton is best kekkei genkai in entire manga.

It has great offense (Shinsusenju),great defense (Hotei tanking TBB), it can heal wounds, it can make clones, it can shape wood into anything user wants,it can seal things, it can control bijuus.

Gai is faster ,have better reflexes and its physically stronger.
 

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Yes you have point Mokuton is best kekkei genkai in entire manga.

It has great offense (Shinsusenju),great defense (Hotei tanking TBB), it can heal wounds, it can make clones, it can shape wood into anything user wants,it can seal things, it can control bijuus.

Gai is faster ,have better reflexes and its physically stronger.

Who do you think is better overall? (Not 1v1, but in general)
 

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They're in the same tier.
Guy is slightly above him overall but obviously there can be scenarios where hashirmaa can beat him
 
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Guy is obviously stronger but I definitely agree that Hashirama has more utility and is a better fighter as a whole. His vast range of offensive and defensive capabilities make him overall better than Guy (in general terms).
 

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Who do you think is better overall? (Not 1v1, but in general)

I prefer Gai power but its clear Hashirama is better.If Gai doesn´t die from using 8 gate than I would chose him anyday.
 

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They're in the same tier.
Guy is slightly above him overall but obviously there can be scenarios where hashirmaa can beat him

Gai is not > hashirama .-. :|

8 gates is stronger yes but with everything in hashirama arsenal I don't believe he would go down before the time limit stops
 

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Guy is obviously stronger but I definitely agree that Hashirama has more utility and is a better fighter as a whole. His vast range of offensive and defensive capabilities make him overall better than Guy (in general terms).

Hashirama beats 8th gate Gai. Hashirama with SS would have recked JJ Madara without his TSB's.

Hashirama also beats 8th gate Gai in Destructive power and Defense.
 

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Hashirama is better overall. More raw power. More defensive power and capabilities. Also put him in the same situation Gai was in the Manga and Madara would actually be dead :lol
 

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Guy wins in a fight, but overall Hashirama is the superior shinobi.

but also you must not forget utility abilities are useless if you are completely outmatched physically. 8G Guy was just as instrumental against Madara as the rest of the shinobi. He provided the speed and power that they could not. FTG, Kamui etc... were all useless. They all would have died if Guy wasn't there to stall until Naruto showed up. Sometimes that pure muscle is just as important as the utility skills.
 
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Guy wins in a fight, but overall Hashirama is the superior shinobi.

but also you must not forget utility abilities are useless if you are completely outmatched physically. 8G Guy was just as instrumental against Madara as the rest of the shinobi. He provided the speed and power that they could not. FTG, Kamui etc... were all useless. They all would have died if Guy wasn't there to stall until Naruto showed up. Sometimes that pure muscle is just as important as the utility skills.

Sure, but there's literally no opponent that Gai can defeat that Hashirama wouldn't defeat. Beings such as Juubito would fare much better against 8G Gai rather than SM Hashirama and that's specifically because of Hashirama's utility.
 

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SM Hashirama is better overall. His set of Jutsu can do many things without serious drawback while 8 gates Gai just beat, beat, and beat. I doubt he can perform 8 gates for defensive purpose. If he try to fend off TBB, I think TBB would just explode rather than changing its trajectory and it would kill Gai.
 

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Gai wins in a fight. The thing is Gai strictly uses Taijutsu which makes his arsenal focused on raw physical abilities involving strength and speed. Hashirama on the other hand is a complete shinobi, defensive and attacking wise due to the nature of his abilities.
 
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