[VS] SM Hashirama and SM Jiraiya and Minato vs. RM Sasuke

[Conspirator.]

Your Jimmies were rustled? You pay attention to me alot considering that fact is i was once saw your post on a thread talking about OD never explains he just says he will and never do lmao. I do explain but the moment i seen Frog song> Sasuke i already knew your entire arguement was invalid.

First of all frog song needs prep. 2ndly it's not very usefull in large areas if it was Naruto would have caught all the pain bodies of the bat when he appeared in the leaf. 3rd Your a troll so don't get mad when you get called out on your bullshit. Trolls getting mad when they want to be taken seriously but there past prevents that hopefully this will teach you a lession.

Lel, that guy thinks Kakashi and Darui are equals. LOL!

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lel, that guy thinks Kakashi and Darui are equals. LOL!

He's a fool. I hate when people want to troll and then want to get serious about shit and when people won't take them serious they get mad af.

 

[Ultimateone]

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That's exactly right. You are still not understanding this concept..........Sasuke's susanoo was creating shockwaves. Sasuke's susanoo sword is far smaller than the rocks. To be able to cut it cleanly in 2, he obviously created shockwaves. The reason why he even went close to the meteors is due to the fact that the distance between Sasuke and the meteors was FAR greater than the distance between madara and the mountains. And no, they are not "ordinary rocks" with no special durability. Under your jackass logic, any tom d*ck and harry could destroy the rocks if they got close with mediocre attacks...... Again, you are delusional if you THINK madara could have done what Sasuke did with the feats provided.

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Except Madara's susnaoo has shown practically no mobility feats. Even Sasuké's v3 legged Susanoo(pre rikudo powerup, shits on madara's mobility wise(via feats). Madara had plenty of opportunites to showcase his Susanoo's ability to fly and to move. Forget the Buddha, he could have used it against Hashirama's mokujin..........he didn't. The only logical deduction is Madara's can't fly nor move fast, Sasuke's can. Quite simple. Also, Sasuke doesn't need to get close to hurt the Buddha, his superior shockwaves will do fine. On top of that, EVEN IF he decides to come close, his attack speed and movement speed are greater than the buddhas, so the Buddha's is going to find it hard to attack him, and will keep getting destroyed.

As for the rest of your horseshit, use some common sense. Sasuke's PS is faster, more mobile and has greater DC than Madara's. Over and over again in the manga, the stronger the offence of the Susanoo, the better the defence. Susanoo has shown the ability to tank attacks stronger than it's own.However, Sasuke's PS slashes shit on Hashirama's chojo kobetsu DC wise. Hence it gets tanked with ease. Again, if you honestly think SM hashirama is stronger than rikudo sasuke, you need to log off, quit reading the manga, smash your computer and go and kill yourself.

PS: EVEN IF I am wrong with my last point about the tanking, it's irrelevant to the matchup as Sasuke's PS is too fast to be hit by Hashirama's Buddha technique.

here's the thing, you are making this a one on one fight when this is not a 1v1. also, what you have done is upgraded sasuke's susano to some other level when it truly hasn't shown anything to warrant such high praise. yes it cut those CT, yes i understand that. also what i am not saying everybody can destroy them, that's not what i am implying. what i am saying is madara's has the same potential to do what he did based on how his slashes works. just because he didn't happen to have a huge rock to break does not mean that his slashes could not do the same. there is literally a part where he cuts through the mokuton hands around the mountains around them are sliced as well. it is resonable to assume that he would do the same thing that sasuke did. his perfect susano has no durability feats, check if you want still not gonna find them. the flying thing is the only thing different as far as mobility goes. as far as foot movement, that's the same for both. we have seen other versions of madara susano move just fine.

but like i said, this is not a 1v1 fight. minato can teleport jutsu and them around as needed. once hashi over powers his susano, he's gonna be done for. honestly to me, sasuke's power up is not as great as people make it out to be. besides his s/t jutsu and susano, what did he really get? call me stupid or whatever you want, these things are from the manga and are not conjecture on what i want their abilities to be.

 

[TRE MERCER]

here's the thing, you are making this a one on one fight when this is not a 1v1. also, what you have done is upgraded sasuke's susano to some other level when it truly hasn't shown anything to warrant such high praise. yes it cut those CT, yes i understand that. also what i am not saying everybody can destroy them, that's not what i am implying. what i am saying is madara's has the same potential to do what he did based on how his slashes works. just because he didn't happen to have a huge rock to break does not mean that his slashes could not do the same. there is literally a part where he cuts through the mokuton hands around the mountains around them are sliced as well. it is resonable to assume that he would do the same thing that sasuke did. his perfect susano has no durability feats, check if you want still not gonna find them. the flying thing is the only thing different as far as mobility goes. as far as foot movement, that's the same for both. we have seen other versions of madara susano move just fine.

but like i said, this is not a 1v1 fight. minato can teleport jutsu and them around as needed. once hashi over powers his susano, he's gonna be done for. honestly to me, sasuke's power up is not as great as people make it out to be. besides his s/t jutsu and susano, what did he really get? call me stupid or whatever you want, these things are from the manga and are not conjecture on what i want their abilities to be.

Madara cut Mountains. Sasuke susanoo cut asteroids.

 

[Conspirator.]

here's the thing, you are making this a one on one fight when this is not a 1v1. also, what you have done is upgraded sasuke's susano to some other level when it truly hasn't shown anything to warrant such high praise. yes it cut those CT, yes i understand that. also what i am not saying everybody can destroy them, that's not what i am implying. what i am saying is madara's has the same potential to do what he did based on how his slashes works. just because he didn't happen to have a huge rock to break does not mean that his slashes could not do the same. there is literally a part where he cuts through the mokuton hands around the mountains around them are sliced as well. it is resonable to assume that he would do the same thing that sasuke did. his perfect susano has no durability feats, check if you want still not gonna find them. the flying thing is the only thing different as far as mobility goes. as far as foot movement, that's the same for both. we have seen other versions of madara susano move just fine.

but like i said, this is not a 1v1 fight. minato can teleport jutsu and them around as needed. once hashi over powers his susano, he's gonna be done for. honestly to me, sasuke's power up is not as great as people make it out to be. besides his s/t jutsu and susano, what did he really get? call me stupid or whatever you want, these things are from the manga and are not conjecture on what i want their abilities to be.

I wasn't arguing with you about the matchup though(this is 3 on 1, I still think sasuke wins but that's another matter altogether) I was arguing with you about your convoluted opinion of Hashirama's Buddha destroying Sasuke's PS, and Madara's PS having the same attack strength as Sasuke's.(which feats aside, makes zero sense from a logical perspective as Sasuke received the Sages chakra directly) Again, Madara's PS has shown the ability to destroy mountain tops via shockwaves. Sasuke's showed the ability to smash meteorites that dwarf mountain ranges and Hashirama's Buddha. On top of that, even if Madara's PS slash has the same force as Sasuke's(it doesn't) Sasuke's attack speed is greater due to greater mobility(it's not just flying, the ability to leap/move around is greater too) , so that leads to an overall greater output.
By feats Sasuke's PS is FAR above madara's, DC wise and mobility wise.

As for tanking, I stand by what I said. Susanoo tanks/survives attacks stronger than it's own. This has clearly been shown countless times in the manga. Sasuke's PS slashes are stronger than chojo kobetsus, hence it gets tanked with little damage. Not that it matters either way as Sasuke's susanoo is more mobile.(so most of hashirama's strikes won't connect) Again, if you think SM Hahsirama's strongest move is going to be stronger than RM Sasuke's strongest move, quit reading the manga. Feats, hype and portrayal all favour Sasuke.

Edit: With regards to Sasuke's abilities: Yes they are as good as what most people say. He's practically a demi god at this point. The only people who can beat him are Hagaromo/hamura/kaguya, and Naruto/Madara. Everyone else gets raped badly.

 

[makosheva7]

Madara cut Mountains. Sasuke susanoo cut asteroids.

let's not exaggerate. A typical asteroid is considered to be from an 10th to an 8th of the Earth. It was more of a meteorite than an asteroid.

 

[Ultimateone]

I wasn't arguing with you about the matchup though(this is 3 on 1, I still think sasuke wins but that's another matter altogether) I was arguing with you about your convoluted opinion of Hashirama's Buddha destroying Sasuke's PS, and Madara's PS having the same attack strength as Sasuke's.(which feats aside, makes zero sense from a logical perspective as Sasuke received the Sages chakra directly) Again, Madara's PS has shown the ability to destroy mountain tops via shockwaves. Sasuke's showed the ability to smash meteorites that dwarf mountain ranges and Hashirama's Buddha. On top of that, even if Madara's PS slash has the same force as Sasuke's(it doesn't) Sasuke's attack speed is greater due to greater mobility(it's not just flying, the ability to leap/move around is greater too) , so that leads to an overall greater output.
By feats Sasuke's PS is FAR above madara's, DC wise and mobility wise.

As for tanking, I stand by what I said. Susanoo tanks/survives attacks stronger than it's own. This has clearly been shown countless times in the manga. Sasuke's PS slashes are stronger than chojo kobetsus, hence it gets tanked with little damage. Not that it matters either way as Sasuke's susanoo is more mobile.(so most of hashirama's strikes won't connect) Again, if you think SM Hahsirama's strongest move is going to be stronger than RM Sasuke's strongest move, quit reading the manga. Feats, hype and portrayal all favour Sasuke.

Edit: With regards to Sasuke's abilities: Yes they are as good as what most people say. He's practically a demi god at this point. The only people who can beat him are Hagaromo/hamura/kaguya, and Naruto/Madara. Everyone else gets raped badly.

the point i'm trying to make to you is, other than flying(you can add jumping if you want, but we have seen madara susano versions moving around very well they just didn't need to hop in the air thus no feat showing this). you have to agree, as there is no panel in the manga with this, that sasuke's perfect susano has zero tanking feats. as for attack power, i understand the sizes of those rocks, that is not up for dispute, what i'm trying to get you to realize is that what he did to them is nothing special as far as what PS can handle. madara may not have had to cut through something of that size but from what it has shown that should be a problem like you seem to think.

i see that you feel because he gained part of rikudo's power that means that you automatically have to say that his version is stronger than what would be closest competitor (madara as he also had PS). while i agree, for most ninja the power he gained would be leaps and bounds over them. however for what we are comparing him to is not the case, as both madara and hashi are also transmigrants. but also we have to analyze what exactly he got in said power-up. unlike naruto who got highest form of senjutsu, all bijuu, so thus a whole lot more chakra and enhancements to speed, strength and sensing. sasuke's power-up was more jutsu based than overall increase in power. remember sasuke got the sages eye powers, while naruto got the body.

so, while yes, sasuke got some OP jutsu, it's still all about match-ups. you forget that hashi's mokuton can grow as big as he wants as he has monstrous levels of chakra. this basically means that even with sasuke's flying advantage, and shockwave effect of his attacks, he still would have to get within the range of hashi's mokuton to land a solid hit. so, going back to what i was trying to explain before, sasuke may have got the op jutsu, but not really an increase in power. thus sasuke's susano in my opinion has at least the same defense and attack power as madara's. remember there is no tanking feats for his new susano, and his attack power is still comparable as well, even if he had a bigger target to use said attack on. also remember in this manga, things like momentum and such don't add on to attack power as it's just not something kishi thinks about. so eventually he will get pummeled by the buddah or other mokuton attacks. now had he just been going against hashi, that may not be as big of a problem, but hashi isn't alone in this fight. as soon as sasuke is out of susano he will get killed.

 

[slimreaper]

this thread is an interesting premise, but the walls of text are really making me not wanna debate it

 

[Conspirator.]

the point i'm trying to make to you is, other than flying(you can add jumping if you want, but we have seen madara susano versions moving around very well they just didn't need to hop in the air thus no feat showing this). you have to agree, as there is no panel in the manga with this, that sasuke's perfect susano has zero tanking feats. as for attack power, i understand the sizes of those rocks, that is not up for dispute, what i'm trying to get you to realize is that what he did to them is nothing special as far as what PS can handle. madara may not have had to cut through something of that size but from what it has shown that should be a problem like you seem to think.

Here's the concept you are not understanding......... I don't care if we haven't seen Sasuke tank attacks like that, when it's beyond obvious that he can. LIke I said, the stronger the offence of the Susanoo, the stronger the defence. Sasuke's attack strength is greater than Madara's, therefore his Susanoo will tank more. Quite a simple concept. Susanoo can tank attack stronger than it's own, but you are telling that an attack that is WEAKER than Sasuke's PS slashes(chojo kobetsu) is going to destroy it? Get lost. Wrong, the sizes WERE special with regards to what PS could handle. Let me post the debris scan again.....

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Those red arrows were what Madara cut up. Absolutely diminuitive compared to the yellow arrows which is what Sasuke did(and the yellow arrows are a fraction of the size as they were cut up into smaller pieces). And since sasuke's susanoo is tiny comared to the meteorites, his shockwaves did most of the work. Clearly the sages powerup had a massive boost . I don't care if you "think" what Madara can do. He had plenty of opportunites to showcase his Susanoo's mobility and greater DC, he failed.

i see that you feel because he gained part of rikudo's power that means that you automatically have to say that his version is stronger than what would be closest competitor (madara as he also had PS). while i agree, for most ninja the power he gained would be leaps and bounds over them. however for what we are comparing him to is not the case, as both madara and hashi are also transmigrants. but also we have to analyze what exactly he got in said power-up. unlike naruto who got highest form of senjutsu, all bijuu, so thus a whole lot more chakra and enhancements to speed, strength and sensing. sasuke's power-up was more jutsu based than overall increase in power. remember sasuke got the sages eye powers, while naruto got the body.

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You need to remove Naruto's wang from your mouth. Big time. They both received half the sages power. Sasuke's speed, durability have all increased too. Blind SM madara had no difficulty evading his sword strikes, but after the rikudo powerup, he outpaced Madara to the point that he commented on Sasuke's speed. Idiot! Sasuke's overall power HAS increased you moron. His chidori katana went from stalemating with mifune, to being able to bisect shinju absorbed Juubi jin Madara in two(BIG increase in power). His Susanoo's power has increased exponentially. Before the rikudo powerup it was obviously inferior to Madara's by far, but now it absolutely shits on Madara's DC wise, and mobility wise.(Another BIG increase)

so, while yes, sasuke got some OP jutsu, it's still all about match-ups. you forget that hashi's mokuton can grow as big as he wants as he has monstrous levels of chakra.

Kill yourself. Hashirama's chakra isn't infinite. The biggest mokuton he can use via feats is SS, and that's obviously inferior to Sasuke's PS.

this basically means that even with sasuke's flying advantage, and shockwave effect of his attacks, he still would have to get within the range of hashi's mokuton to land a solid hit. so, going back to what i was trying to explain before, sasuke may have got the op jutsu, but not really an increase in power. thus sasuke's susano in my opinion has at least the same defense and attack power as madara's.

No he doesn't, as his shockwaves are stronger than Madara's as I have shown. The underlined is obviously false. Sasuke's susanoo HAS increased in power you simpleton. Stop indirectly dickriding naruto and hating on Sasuke, and start analysing the manga objectively. Even if Sasuke's susanoo is the same as Madara's power wise, it's still received a power boost, as Sasuke's susanoo was far weaker than madara's pre rikudo power up. And you are obviously wrong. His attack power shits on madara's, and his defence will be stronger than Mad's by default.

remember there is no tanking feats for his new susano, and his attack power is still comparable as well, even if he had a bigger target to use said attack on. also remember in this manga, things like momentum and such don't add on to attack power as it's just not something kishi thinks about. so eventually he will get pummeled by the buddah or other mokuton attacks. now had he just been going against hashi, that may not be as big of a problem, but hashi isn't alone in this fight. as soon as sasuke is out of susano he will get killed.

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The bold is irrelevant. I don't care what Kishi thinks, it's simple common sense. And no, the attack power of Sasuke's susanoo is NOT comparable to Madara or Hashirama's Buddha. It's heads and shoulders above their's. Sasuke has the sages chakra. Hence, his chakra is stronger than EMS Madara's. Ergo his PS is stronger than EMS madara's. As for tanking, this is irrelevant due to mobility, but Susanoo always has better defence than offence. In other words, it tanks attacks stronger than what it can deliver.(Eg, sasuke's ribcage surving raikage's liger bomb,sasuke's v3 surviving danzo's baku enhanced futons, itachi's v2 helping him survive kirin, madara's v4 susanoo tanking a TBB) Now, Sasuke's PS slashes are far above chojo kobetsu DC wise. That alone is enough for me to say that he tanks it with little damage.

 

[Turson]

how does sasuke win this exactly? sure sasuke has this new s/t jutsu, and Perfect Susano(not some fanfic god susano)

Well, its not a fanfic, really. Sasukes current Susanoo is a tier above PS, just like stabilized PS is tier above unstabilized PS. Sasuke had PS with EMS, with Rinnegan and Sage power up it developed even further.

OT: Sasukes takes this. Shinsusenju, which is by far the strongest technique that team one have in its arsenal, would become a chopped up firewood in no time.

 

[slimreaper]

Here's the concept you are not understanding......... I don't care if we haven't seen Sasuke tank attacks like that, when it's beyond obvious that he can. LIke I said, the stronger the offence of the Susanoo, the stronger the defence. Sasuke's attack strength is greater than Madara's, therefore his Susanoo will tank more. Quite a simple concept. Susanoo can tank attack stronger than it's own, but you are telling that an attack that is WEAKER than Sasuke's PS slashes(chojo kobetsu) is going to destroy it? Get lost. Wrong, the sizes WERE special with regards to what PS could handle. Let me post the debris scan again.....

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Those red arrows were what Madara cut up. Absolutely diminuitive compared to the yellow arrows which is what Sasuke did(and the yellow arrows are a fraction of the size as they were cut up into smaller pieces). And since sasuke's susanoo is tiny comared to the meteorites, his shockwaves did most of the work. Clearly the sages powerup had a massive boost . I don't care if you "think" what Madara can do. He had plenty of opportunites to showcase his Susanoo's mobility and greater DC, he failed.








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You need to remove Naruto's wang from your mouth. Big time. They both received half the sages power. Sasuke's speed, durability have all increased to. Idiot! Sasuke's overall power HAS increased you moron. His chidori katana went from stalemating with mifune, to being able to bisect shinju absorbed Juubi jin Madara in two(BIG increase in power). His Susanoo's power has increased exponentially. Before it was obviously inferior to Madara's by far, but now it absolutely shits on Madara's DC wise, and mobility wise.(Another BIG increase)





Kill yourself. Hashirama's chakra isn't infinite. The biggest mokuton he can use via feats is SS, and that's obviously inferior to Sasuke's PS.



No he doesn't, as his shockwaves are stronger than Madara's as I have shown. The underlined is obviously false. Sasuke's susanoo HAS increased in power you simpleton. Stop indirectly dickriding naruto and hating on Sasuke, and start analysing the manga objectively. Even if Sasuke's susanoo is the same as Madara's power wise, it's still received a power boost, as Sasuke's susanoo was far weaker than madara's pre rikudo power up. And you are obviously wrong. His attack power shits on madara's, and his defence will be stronger than Mad's by default.

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The bold is irrelevant. I don't care what Kishi thinks, it's simple common sense. And no, the attack power of Sasuke's susanoo is NOT comparable to Madara or Hashirama's Buddha. It's heads and shoulders above their's. Sasuke has the sages chakra. Hence, his chakra is stronger than Madara's. Ergo his PS is stronger. As for tanking, this is irrelevant due to mobility, but Susanoo always has better defence than offence. In other words, it tanks attacks stronger than what it can deliver.(Eg, sasuke's ribcage surving raikage's liger bomb,sasuke's v3 surviving danzo's baku enhanced futons, itachi's v2 helping him survive kirin, madara's v4 susanoo tanking a TBB) Now, Sasuke's PS slashes are far above chojo kobetsu DC wise. That alone is enough for me to say that he tanks it with little damage.

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Sasuke has an entire extra layer of defense that madara doesn't

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otherwise its all correct

 

[Oblivionx]

can go either way... if team 1 can mange to avoid sasuke's S/T then they have a good chance like genjutsu or by containing sasuke like kaguya did...!

 

[Unorthodox]

can go either way... if team 1 can mange to avoid sasuke's S/T then they have a good chance like genjutsu or by containing sasuke like kaguya did...!

they are no kaguya dont even compare

sasuke wins low diff god susanoo stomps shinsuusenjutsu enton + Space/time rapes the others

 

[shelke]

Look at the clowns in this thread. Sasuke doesn't even need PS for these people. He blitzes and slaughters them.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Sasuke wins. PS and the like are not necessary. He simply blitzes and cuts there heads off before they can even think to do something. If he's capable of trolling Madara three times with his speed of teleportation, then these three stand no chance.

The sheer stupidity of the thread though:/ People are comparing the the likes of Minato, Hashi and Jiraiya to Kaguya? Sasuke's PS is above Madara's. Stop comparing them.

 

[makosheva7]

Look at the clowns in this thread. Sasuke doesn't even need PS for these people. He blitzes and slaughters them.

at 100 m Sasuke will blitz SM Hashi and Minato? Really?

 

[VolatileSoul]

at 100 m Sasuke will blitz SM Hashi and Minato? Really?

Hashirama yes. Minato depends on whether or not he's in the range of Sasuke's technique. If he ever decides to mount an attack, he gets blitzed.

 

[shelke]

at 100 m Sasuke will blitz SM Hashi and Minato? Really?

The fact that he was able to blitz the fastest guy in the world - bar Kaguya now, of course - cements my argument. SM Hashirama got owned by alive Madara. Minato got both his cut off. This guy couldn't even hit teenage Bee, you think he can't be blizted by current Sasuke?

 

[makosheva7]

The fact that he was able to blitz the fastest guy in the world - bar Kaguya now, of course - cements my argument. SM Hashirama got owned by alive Madara. Minato got both his cut off. This guy couldn't even hit teenage Bee, you think he can't be blizted by current Sasuke?

read what I wrote carefully.

 

[makosheva7]

Hashirama yes. Minato depends on whether or not he's in the range of Sasuke's technique. If he ever decides to mount an attack, he gets blitzed.

that's why range is the ultimate question.