[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28
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I was here earlier and just awoke from sleeping.
I also asked you this yesterday
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Quoting this post because I feel like last day phase you and me were going in a very similar direction with our thinking, and wanted to ask if you still felt this way after Kytes flip?
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I just read this and must admit it has some.... really good points.424
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First three posts in the game where he manages to call someone out, accuse Luk of being scum, and dodging a question.
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His hand sure heals fast.
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Two posts where he seems to buddy Ratchet.
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Says he can't read Poison at all. Convenient.
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Defensive of being linked with Poison.
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Another player (Michelle) where he admits he just can't read them.
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I think Hou saying that he wasn't going to be around EOD and then seeing how active he really was, makes this post a bit odd in retrospect.
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This is a really interesting post from Hou saying he's not going to vote Poison this phase after asking people what they thought about her lynch a few times. I know he flip flopped hard EOD, but to me, why constantly ask people what they think about Poison only to then come out and say you're not voting her this phase? Seems like he was maybe figuring out the best way to get town credit off her lynch.
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It's funny because, although I can't be certain it's the first mention of the idea but it's definitely one of the firsts, Hou brings up the idea that Kyte might be scum based on his read of Poison. At this point, no one knows Poison's alignment and her lynch wasn't red hot, so I don't really understand why Hou straight up called Kyte scum for his read. It's almost like Hou slipped here with TMI and was already trying to set up a mislynch here if Poison flipped scum.
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This is his second time offering up All_Red as a counter wagon despite only having eleven posts in the game. This was something I actually called out on the time because I just don't know how All_Red was an appropriate counter wagon to Poison given the circumstances. I think if Hou flips scum, All_Red might have been spewed town here.
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I actually don't even know what this gibberish is. Literally fifteen posts after he said he's never going to vote for Poison, he says he didn't mean it. What? He actually then uses RGK as a counter wagon for whatever reason. Not sure if RGK (Oshie) gets as much town equity as All_Red just because Hou offered up All_Red more than once. RGK might have just been a bluff, but felt less genuine than All_Red.
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LOL votes Poison after all this time. I know town can switch their minds, but there's no legitimate reason for a townie to spazz out like that at this point. I think what happened really was that Hou was torn between bussing and saving Poison and got caught in between what he really wanted to do and how to do it.
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Well, now he;s on Toujo. And this starts his push on the Toujo wagon.
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He drops that scum are probably on the Poison lynch. Nice.
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A reminder that this is how strongly Hou felt about Ratchet being scum at one point in this game.
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Here's a real juicy post. I like how he's already preparing his excuse for if Poison flips scum. TMI? Why try to set that up?
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For some reason Hou brings up that it's weird that Ratchet and I have town reads on each other. He also thinks I'm defending Ratchet which I was to a point, but more so I was convinced Poison was scum.
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Here's the post where he said he's fairly new at Mafia, yet he made a post recently how he's experienced enough to make town posts as scum. I just feel like he's been using his level of experience in different ways here.
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Now this is just a straight up lie that he thought Poison was a great lynch candidate, because if he had, he wouldn't have tunneled Ratchet like he did.
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Weird comment on Michelle's kill. "I assume scum has no motivation on that kill". Scum ALWAYS have motivation for a kill. It seems like Hou was trying to brush off any conversation on why Michelle was killed.
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Seems like pretty prepared day lynches, especially how he already shaded Kyte in D1 about potentially being scum for his Poison read. Despite everything Hou might say in D2, he never changed his vote off of Kyte.
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So this is Hou's third time saying that it HAS to be one scum between Kyte or Ansa but never gives reasons as to why. Is that a town thing to do?
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When Ansa asks what Hou's objective is, Hou says these are raw thoughts that aren't developed. But, it seems like he's pretty determined to go after the both of them despite having undeveloped reads.
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Here comes Hou creeping up on Kyte. Instead of calling him out for his read on Poison (like he did in D1) he just says that they had no interaction. Nice soft push.
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I actually don't think that the interactions between Ratchet and Poison are all THAT clearing to completely switch your death hunt of him.
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This post throws me off as well. Like, he's completely alright with a potential mislynch of Kyte and then says we have Ratchet next.
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This is like the second or third time he said 'watch out if I get serioues!'. Why?
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Personally, this is a pretty damning post by Hou for me. So I had given a POE and he called it gross (without any explanation, go figure) and when I asked him to clarify, he asked me why I found Ansa (as well as RGK/AL) suspicious. The bizarre thing is why are you calling my reads gross on RGK and Ansa when you voted RGK D1 near EOD and also opened D2 saying there had to be scum between Kyte and Ansa. My reads shouldn't be that far from the opinion you once had that you have to call my post out.
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Throwing out Just_Red again. Poor Red.I will say with the amount of times Hou suggested lynching Just_Red, he never gave a reason once.
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Funny, Hou had said that he was open to another wagon earlier in the game (obviously with the Just_Red sacrifice) but that there probably wasn't enough time to get a switch. Well, when the Ansa train picked up, even though he had doubts about the Kyte train (and to be fair he said he doubted Ansa as well), he weirdly doubles down and says he won't be moving his vote from Kyte. The reason seemed like bull shit as well.
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TMI?
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I just have a laugh out of irony here with Hou asking someone to clarify there reasons for doing when he's been doing it all game.
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So this is a noted Just_Red suggestion by Hou because he switches off of suspecting me, Ratchet, and Bee (as his reads) once Ansa suggested Red.
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Here's where Hou finally decides to come after me after we have our back and forth. Based on how he seemed to be looking for a place to hang his vote, I think this is in reaction of me coming after him. He still has yet to give me a case on why he thinks I'm scummy other than being a nuisance and how I've apparently acted after Kyte flipped.
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Says he doesn't go into detail unless he's really sure about something. Considering you suggested a Just_Red over ten times in this game, without a SINGLE reason as to why, when should I expect you to become serious about something?
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I wonder if @Houtarou; is going to ignore me now?
It felt like a lot of flip flopping going on.
Particularly what I find odd is that they said they wouldnt be around during EoD, wouldnt vote poison, but then voted for poison, and then went for Toujo after votes reset. Those kinda set me off. It gives me the vibe that a plan was changing, but very unnaturally. Like they weren't sure whether or not they could salvage poison or would be better off giving them up for town credit.
I'm going to read oreki's response.
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Unsure. While X feels to have some good points. I wouldn.t vote for you cause I didn.t make a personal iso on you.
@XTMF Maybe you find this post interesting also.
I am still considering Just_Red, Al and Aether. I would take Toujo in consideration also after Kyte.s flip of DP2 and but I haven.t isoed him yet.
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I don’t have a perfect grasp of the full breadth of the Rej gameplay. But someone like Rej who almost was giving his reads to the most players whether one-liner or just direct read had actually very few interactions with Poison. I was just rereading the thread and noticed that neither Poison nor Rej really interacted with each other at all. Let's not forget these two are someone who loves to interact with just about anyone, especially Rej who was giving his reads left to right actually decide to ignore Poison after just one post interaction, not mentioning her name or anything and only thrown a little shade on her when others were suspecting her very hard.
Early game Rej said this;
The reason Rej didn't think of a way to help poison was first, he had no obligation to assist her in such a bothersome situation, and defending her was out of the options; secondly, there were very few options for him to defend poison without getting a shade thrown to him, although out of two-three leading wagons, Rej decides to vote RedGloverKing first, although it didn't last for too long when he saw that poison lynch getting more votes. This was exactly the right moment to vote poison to gain temporary trust and as well as lynching a scum to gain town credits.
In short, Poison was pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever consensus town core D1, most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what Rej could have done to defend poison without throwing himself into the fire so I think he took the best route and accepted the fate of his teammate.
Another post that caught my attention from Rej was this;
Also, does this vote look like from someone who was controlling the wagon;
Rej early town reads contain not only a list of just player and but unusual reasoning that you really can't understand properly, In other words these posts:
Here comes another early phase read I didn't liked from Rej, an attempt of pocketing Imp has done here;
Also, the way Rej speaks and demeanor he put on, it makes him sound very dependent. While it's a very effective way to give someone the illusion that they're reliable. Yet it's risky for you to go on like that, not just in the long term, but in the short term as well, since I do think I'm not the only that has notice these patterns on Rej gameplay.
Here's Rej another weird town read with another silly reason;
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Whenever trouble arises, Rej wafts in afterward and acts like he caused it all and then reaps the benefit after the fact. Even though he did nothing up that point. It's like when false prophets claim they saw actual events of the past, way before they happened. It's Rej style to get people to believe him when he says that. Matter of fact, if you were to look Rej from very calm and normal point of view, then the things he says aren't ordinarily believable in mafia... the things he does tell you the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment to rattle you and make you vulnerable.
Rej is not upfront player with manipulation akin to other players but rather his habit to bullshit through just about anything or make reasons like these that people think that it cannot be done by Mafia but in reality Rej in these cases actually trying to hide something, most likely his fake font he has been putting to appear town.
Another example of this Rej was treating on me and Kyte read as if he's paranoid but I only see that a reason to avoid an argument or any conflict with us while still suspecting us. this where I feel Rej has been really not putting his act together
Though I have to say If Rehj got on TV calling himself a prophet, he’d be quite a hit, I bet.
TL;DR He's fucking scum and I have not single shred of doubt that he's not... I am rarely wrong about rej but right now I feel more than enough confident to follow that lynch
Early game Rej said this;
But as DP went on and the count of players that were suspecting Poison increased Rej went ahead and started to make his case on AL. His preparations themselves progressed smoothly for the case AL itself, and all that remained was the menial job of fanning the flames over and over. but it didn't really work out for him when I suddenly turn the table with my push on Toujo and creating the main focus between Poison and Toujo so while RGK was another lynch inside these days Rej kept voted Glover but later knowing he won't get enough people to lynch glover he went ahead and voted the leading wagon; Poison wagon itself.
The reason Rej didn't think of a way to help poison was first, he had no obligation to assist her in such a bothersome situation, and defending her was out of the options; secondly, there were very few options for him to defend poison without getting a shade thrown to him, although out of two-three leading wagons, Rej decides to vote RedGloverKing first, although it didn't last for too long when he saw that poison lynch getting more votes. This was exactly the right moment to vote poison to gain temporary trust and as well as lynching a scum to gain town credits.
In short, Poison was pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever consensus town core D1, most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what Rej could have done to defend poison without throwing himself into the fire so I think he took the best route and accepted the fate of his teammate.
Another post that caught my attention from Rej was this;
This posts merely hints that Rej was trying to gain credits for Poison lynch, nowhere it has shown, or even look like Rej was actually controlling the wagon... he was merely a part of the wagon. Why would Rej try to take credits for Poison lynch despite knowing he was not even the one that started it and only voted her at a late phase when Poison was bound to get lynched. So there is a contradiction with his posts, there is absolutely no reason for Rej to think he was controlling the wagon outside of getting town cred.
Also, does this vote look like from someone who was controlling the wagon;
Rej early town reads contain not only a list of just player and but unusual reasoning that you really can't understand properly, In other words these posts:
Also, the bolded part feels off to me... I don't see why he needed to mention this, also it's pretty convincing that he says Michelle is only useful in the DP until Mafia kills her. Rej had this post laid out and Michelle was dead next phase, both things ping me that Rej had intention when created that post and those intention were to kill Michelle.
Here comes another early phase read I didn't liked from Rej, an attempt of pocketing Imp has done here;
I don't get how exactly but this feels very Rej like a post when he's scum... I think Imp wouldn't understand what Rej implied but I think he's happy that Rej was reading him town hence what Rej wanted being achieved
Also, the way Rej speaks and demeanor he put on, it makes him sound very dependent. While it's a very effective way to give someone the illusion that they're reliable. Yet it's risky for you to go on like that, not just in the long term, but in the short term as well, since I do think I'm not the only that has notice these patterns on Rej gameplay.
Here's Rej another weird town read with another silly reason;
This one as well, I am pretty sure no one really bothered with this or even trackback to see what Rej was trying to say... it's perfect reasoning and quite common. Not only people will overlook that but also gonna think there must be something on page 45 that made Rej think he's town hence player decide not really try to look that but here's what we got on page 45
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If you think that wouldn't have been enough and look genuine read to Rej, then rej'd be way underestimating Luku because just not game ago Luku pulled crazy taints like that there as well and he scum and Rej was the host. So yeah this is another one of Rej weird reads that really hold no ground but trying to look like he's contributing while in reality, I don't think this actually gave anything for anyone to work with. It was just random one-liner reads that people think "Yeah, I think it's fine" and then overlook it.
Whenever trouble arises, Rej wafts in afterward and acts like he caused it all and then reaps the benefit after the fact. Even though he did nothing up that point. It's like when false prophets claim they saw actual events of the past, way before they happened. It's Rej style to get people to believe him when he says that. Matter of fact, if you were to look Rej from very calm and normal point of view, then the things he says aren't ordinarily believable in mafia... the things he does tell you the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment to rattle you and make you vulnerable.
Rej is not upfront player with manipulation akin to other players but rather his habit to bullshit through just about anything or make reasons like these that people think that it cannot be done by Mafia but in reality Rej in these cases actually trying to hide something, most likely his fake font he has been putting to appear town.
Another example of this Rej was treating on me and Kyte read as if he's paranoid but I only see that a reason to avoid an argument or any conflict with us while still suspecting us. this where I feel Rej has been really not putting his act together
Though I have to say If Rehj got on TV calling himself a prophet, he’d be quite a hit, I bet.
TL;DR He's fucking scum and I have not single shred of doubt that he's not... I am rarely wrong about rej but right now I feel more than enough confident to follow that lynch
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What I mean is that ideally I want to personally look at them first and not get manipulated.
Your iso is quite extensive on him. Q.Q
The fact that he said he wasn.t gonna be around in dp1 eod and yet he came
Then also the way you present it seems that he was throwing some shades on kyte and Just_Red.
Also said he won.t vote poison but end up voting her right?
A lot of them makes sense.
How he seems to not stay true to his own words and such.
Also, I want you guys to look out for XTMF as well, read his argument with Poison again... he went after her way too quick for my liking and I don't think he was reading her scum this early while I don't believe X is mafia but if there is harmful third then it's X