[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

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G2H from what I've read so far, I'd have a PoE of Aether, Elmage, Houtarou, Imperfection, but I need to really go over things in more detail so take that with a giant grain of salt. I shoulda read more closely earlier since I sorta expected to replace in at some point, but no use crying over spilt milk.

I'm currently scouring through all of the flavour for any info I can find since I guess that's optimal.
Elmage is dead so I guess that's a good read.
 

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I'll probably have to peek at EOD1 again to see how it played out. I'm still having a hard time reading Ansa as scum at this point, especially after rereading and actually getting some of the stuff he was saying, even if I did disagree with him at the time.

Okay, so you don't like a Hou lynch, I don't a like Ansa lynch, where's your next read at?
Ryu. Why have you forgotten him?
 

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Oh ho ho, what changed your mind?
Rereading SK's rules posts and writeups made me convinced that my approach to the game was not what the host intended and that while behavioural tells are still behavioural tells, and vote analysis was still useful (curse whoever removed votals for this phase, btw), I needed to focus a hell of a lot more on the writeups and entirely rethink the game.

This was more than a little bit of a blow to me, unfortunately.

Elmage is dead so I guess that's a good read.
Oops, not Elmage. That was a copy-paste from notes error. That was supposed to be Ryu.
 

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More than a little shaken, so this is my entirely new real-time notes while gathering together all information from my perspective... Any non-contextual flavour is from the wiki. I've never read the comic, and am stalled out on watching the show for personal reasons.

IMO, Mafia if at all decent will have effectively collected all of this information so it doesn't hurt to post it in thread.

So...

Baam team and everyone on it is Town:

1. 25th Baam - Kyte_
2. Rak - Michelle
3. Cha - Elmage
4. Baylord Paul
5. Baylord Doom
6. Baylord Yama
7. Khun
8. Dowon
9. Evankhell
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11.
12.
13.
14.

Jahad team includes/is Mafia???:

1. HQ Solder (Soldier?)
2. Princess Maschenny Jahad
3. Squadron Commander 1
4. Squadron Commander 2 (Po Bidau Lyborick Khun) - Poison
5. Squadron Commander 3 (Lo Po Bia Yasartcha)

A neutral player or faction may exist. If so:

1. White

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From a reasonable balance perspective, there's probably not 7 anti-town players in this setup? I hope? So I'm going to tentatively say that we know that there's 14 town.

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Events:

D1:

- Each player lost 1 HP, and VC was reset. Probably a town ability based on flavour, though it could still be Squadron Commander 1 or White.

D2:

- Dowon healed 5 people.
- Someone enabled nighttalk.
- Something else happened.

D3:

- Evankhell made votes compulsory.
- Jahad made votes anonymous.

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Flavour Hints I've noticed so far:

  • The Princess and Squadron Commanders may have all been on Kyte_'s wagon. Khun likely was not.
  • OH GOD, THERE MIGHT BE MULTIPLE Baams.
  • Yasartcha killed Elmage (Cha).
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As I expected based on pure behaviour and wagons, Kyte_ was town. Toujo is probably also town. I trust that gameflow read even if the Ansa-specific read was wrong.

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One-by-one ISOs will happen when I get the chance on people on whom I am less than confident.
 

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I gave a reason for me not to go after Hou. If it's about convincing one another not to go for certain lynches, I'll need more than "I don't think" from you.
Where did you give me that reason for not going after Hou? Like, I suggested it to you, and I kind of felt you brushed it off. But it's late and I'm tired so maybe I missed it.
 

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Where did you give me that reason for not going after Hou? Like, I suggested it to you, and I kind of felt you brushed it off. But it's late and I'm tired so maybe I missed it.
...I gave you a reason for why I'm not pursuing the lynch. Here:
I actually reread a recent NF game Oreki was in with me, and we clashed there too. I can't remember what he flipped, but he very absolutionist against me then too (I was town) which has made me reconsider some of his posts that I thought were scummy, into NAI.
This has put some of his behaviour into context for me. Nowhere did I say for you not to pursue it. When you posted:
Okay, so you don't like a Hou lynch, I don't a like Ansa lynch, where's your next read at?
My interpretation was "okay, you dont like this one, I dont like this, where is our middle ground. I suggested Ryu, you didn't find him scummy. So I turned it back onto you, asking for the middle ground. And then you brought Hou back up. You see why I'm confused here?
 

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So you're not going after Hou based on something he did in another game? How has that game put things into context for you?
I'm not going after Hou because what I previously read as scummy was something he had done in the past, and I am pretty sure he was town there (I should probably confirm). Given that, I have to put certain things aside, like his insistence someone must be scum, because it's less indicative of him trying to setup mislynches, and more indiciative of him being bad at conveying his points, and overextending regardless of alignment. Now I could sit back and just push him and ignore what I've seen, but given the information I have there, I can't justify doing so.
 
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