[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[XTMF]

What I don’t get, PK, is you saying that Gabi is playing well so far. Wdym by that?

I know you like first names, but I don't know anyone when you talk like that.

 

[XTMF]

I expected Toujo to be another scum beside Poison so of course, my initial lynch focus lies on more experienced player than someone I can lynch any time of the day. I myself am not really a person that'd go out of his way and start a case on a player 40+ hours early before the phase ends, I was waiting for the opportunity and good time to start my lynch on Toujo well I wouldn't know how that come across to others, but it was well executed from my side.

Like I'm type sort that would finish things off neatly without making any unnecessary movements until necessary. That's what exactly I did when I decide not to bother arguing with Toujo knowing it won't get me anywhere but in oblivious and lowkey just mentioned my doubts on him here and there. It was this post where I decide to go for Toujo but still not trying to appear apparent;

https://animebase.me/threads/sk-tower-of-god-the-great-war-28.776159/page-73#post-22021777

On the stage, it may come across scummy to you but that'd be expected when you're trying to make crazy gameplay but ask yourself would I try to defend Poison when her lynch most likely is absolute and would try to lynch another player who may not even get lynched? if I just wanted to save poison I would have gone for Glover who was the most ideal option at that point to save poison.

Every time someone says "why would I do this if I were scum" I consider an automatic wolf point. The fact that Ratchet is still being considered a lynch candidate for this phase should imply that scum really could do anything.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I asked you politely yesterday before you left if you could open this phase with your Poison reads. You then proceed to make a bunch of posts without ever coming back to address me. How am I supposed to take that? You do realize that Poison kept saying she'd get back to stuff and never did, right? I think you're possibly scum, yeah, which is why I'm trying to get you to do things that'll help make me see you as a townie. You 'forgetting' and then getting defensive isn't a great look. The number one thing that I've noticed on this forum is that there seems to be a lack of responsibility for poor play. I mean, it's not my fault that you haven't addressed what I asked you.

Your perception is flawed, this is an anime forum, not a mafia forum, so a lot more goes on here, so don't expect the same experience as that of where you came from

The few posts I made, I did so I wouldn't forget, mind you, you asked me that question around 2am my time, and I explained why I couldn't give an answer. You certainly shouldn't expect me to wake up this morning and go "Let me go reply to Lord X" in the morning, I have a life outside this game too

Mind you, I'm not being defensive, don't misinterpret my post, I don't have to explain myself to you, but I did, rather my issue is you look for red flags where there is none, don't expect my to play to your assumptions, you could have just pinged me that you're still waiting for my reads, but no, you jumped to the wrong conclusion, and not the first time if I might add.
And don't do that, I and Poison are different people, so your reads on Poison wouldn't correlate with mine

Finally, I have addressed that, so what problem do you have? Are you not satisfied with my answer? If not, wouldn't it be best to observe me a little more since I haven't had much content before jumping to conclusions? If you have a case against me please bring it forward, I don't mind, my playstyle sometimes makes people who don't know me uncomfortable, so I try to make sure I'm as clear as possible, but you inferring that I ignored your request to give reads on Poison, given that I had sused her at EOD means I'm scum is: what does Toujo call it again? Fallacy. Now can we go back to game solving please?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Yo. This post of yours. Do you have any quotes to back up thr claims you made here?

go read toujo posts.

 

[Houtarou]

Every time someone says "why would I do this if I were scum" I consider an automatic wolf point. The fact that Ratchet is still being considered a lynch candidate for this phase should imply that scum really could do anything.

Sometimes it's common defense mechanism... you have to consider a possibility since if you're gonna deny every possibility then how are you planning to clear or not clear players

 

[Houtarou]

I just presented a possible route that could have saved poison from lynch if I truly wanted to save her which I don't think hard to see

 

[Houtarou]

If Toujo truly is scum then pushing for Poison lynch helped him greatly not only he's getting town read by a majority and only people that suspect him are on the PoE of the majority of players.

 

[Houtarou]

@-PK- Your reason to clear X is terrible... you cleared him because he never changed his vote... are you for real? How can a reason like that be legit?

 

[XTMF]

Your perception is flawed, this is an anime forum, not a mafia forum, so a lot more goes on here, so don't expect the same experience as that of where you came from

The few posts I made, I did so I wouldn't forget, mind you, you asked me that question around 2am my time, and I explained why I couldn't give an answer. You certainly shouldn't expect me to wake up this morning and go "Let me go reply to Lord X" in the morning, I have a life outside this game too

Mind you, I'm not being defensive, don't misinterpret my post, I don't have to explain myself to you, but I did, rather my issue is you look for red flags where there is none, don't expect my to play to your assumptions, you could have just pinged me that you're still waiting for my reads, but no, you jumped to the wrong conclusion, and not the first time if I might add.
And don't do that, I and Poison are different people, so your reads on Poison wouldn't correlate with mine

Finally, I have addressed that, so what problem do you have? Are you not satisfied with my answer? If not, wouldn't it be best to observe me a little more since I haven't had much content before jumping to conclusions? If you have a case against me please bring it forward, I don't mind, my playstyle sometimes makes people who don't know me uncomfortable, so I try to make sure I'm as clear as possible, but you inferring that I ignored your request to give reads on Poison, given that I had sused her at EOD means I'm scum is: what does Toujo call it again? Fallacy. Now can we go back to game solving please?

What kind of shitty excuse is this? It's an anime forum so I shouldn't expect you to be a good responder in this game? Like what the ****.

Okay, but if you know that the last thing you did in this game before going to be yesterday was talking to me, why wouldn't that be the first thing you come back to? Even if it's a sentence or two, I would have at least acknowledged that you came back to me. I should get Ratchet in here and address this second paragraph because I know there's some sort of fallacy in it. I obviously don't expect you to come here first thing in the morning and I never said or implied that; you're trying to blow things out of proportion to make it look like me asking you to come back and reply to me is a ridiculous notion, why it isn't. The way you introduced yourself in this game, as a computer guy and direct dude, I actually thought you'd come back and respond to me, whenever your clearly busy schedule allowed. However, you game back into this game and started posting away. Had I not reposted, I don't think I would have ever got a response.

Considering I caught Poison quite easily, I'd say that my play style is half decent. I'm kind of getting tired of people saying shit about how me and Ratchet play when the reality is that we get results.

See, I asked you for your Poison case because I wanted to see how much you actually believed Poison was scum because I was doing an interaction reads list and you were absent because you subbed in late. Frankly, I'm not impressed with your response, so I can't say that your suspicion of Poison puts you at the back of the line. Now, I do agree with you that you need to be observed more and there are a lot of people in front of you in the lynching list. However, that doesn't stop me from pressuring people and questioning things I don't like or think are right. For someone who says he's direct and analytical, you sure got defensive here.

 

[XTMF]

Sometimes it's common defense mechanism... you have to consider a possibility since if you're gonna deny every possibility then how are you planning to clear or not clear players

What kind of question is this? Obviously there are other ways to clear players other than if they would do something if they were scum.

 

[XTMF]

@-PK- Your reason to clear X is terrible... you cleared him because he never changed his vote... are you for real? How can a reason like that be legit?

This forum definitely exists in an alternative reality.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I'm not doing this back and forth with you, if you have a case, present it, you currently have none

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I'm not doing this back and forth with you, if you have a case, present it, you currently have none

@XTMF

 

[SoulKiller]

Vote Tally:

Ansatsuken: Toujo > Aether9
X: Kyte
Elmage G Ace: Al_sama > no one
Alice in Noodleland: Al_sama
The Lukundo: Houtarou
Toujo: Kyte
Ryu Kishi : Aether9
Kyte : Toujo

Vote Count:

Kyte x2
Aether9 x2
Al_sama x1
Toujo x1
Houtarou x1


~Players~ :

1- @Toujo
2- @Imperfection
3- @Just_Red
5- @Alice in Noodleland
6- @Tigerrr in the woods
7- @Rej
8- @Ryu Kishi
9- @Ansatsuken
10- @Houtarou
11- @TheLukundo
12 - @beeboat
13- @Aether9
14 - @AL_sama
15 @RedGloverKing
16 - @-PK-
18- @Kyte_
19- @Elmage G Ace
20- @XTMF

 

[Houtarou]

What kind of question is this? Obviously there are other ways to clear players other than if they would do something if they were scum.

Not really. You already mentioned you don't like "What if" type of defense which I think is a proper defense where we're trying to understand player gameplay. Each player has different way to play and they execute that differently

 

[XTMF]

I'm not doing this back and forth with you, if you have a case, present it, you currently have none

Why is there this fundamental problem on this forum that as soon as someone talks to you about possible scummy behavior they go "VOTE ME, CASE ME, OR YOU'RE SCUM AND DUMB". We're just having a conversation, bro, and I'm pointing out something that I didn't like. There's been posts in this game from you that gave me a townie vibe, but I'm questioning you on this because there's no way someone who is supposedly as intelligent as you would just forget about your last conversation in this game before going to bed last night.

 

[XTMF]

Not really. You already mentioned you don't like "What if" type of defense which I think is a proper defense where we're trying to understand player gameplay. Each player has different way to play and they execute that differently

I enjoy a player with a year of experience, and only a few games during that year, is going to tell me that there is only a single way to clear people. Where does this sense of confidence come from?

 

[Houtarou]

I enjoy a player with a year of experience, and only a few games during that year, is going to tell me that there is only a single way to clear people. Where does this sense of confidence come from?

PK knows about my gameplay, I am not using that reason to clear myself for all players I am simply presenting an idea and my possibility had the basic conclusion that if I wanted to save poison I'd have tried to lead Glover lynch not Toujo whom I had to make a senseless argument where I have no reassurance to get him lynched for sure

That's a basic strategy with possibility of high success rate, therefore, you don't have to go out of your way and think too deeply when not needed

 

[XTMF]

PK knows about my gameplay, I am not using that reason to clear myself for all players I am simply presenting an idea and my possibility had the basic conclusion that if I wanted to save poison I'd have tried to lead Glover lynch not Toujo whom I had to make a senseless argument where I have no reassurance to get him lynched for sure

That's a basic strategy with possibility of high success rate, therefore, you don't have to go out of your way and think too deeply when not needed

You know what sucks? I kind feel you aren't scum, but you're not playing great.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Why is there this fundamental problem on this forum that as soon as someone talks to you about possible scummy behavior they go "VOTE ME, CASE ME, OR YOU'RE SCUM AND DUMB". We're just having a conversation, bro, and I'm pointing out something that I didn't like. There's been posts in this game from you that gave me a townie vibe, but I'm questioning you on this because there's no way someone who is supposedly as intelligent as you would just forget about your last conversation in this game before going to bed last night.

Again, throughout your interactions, you treat every party as hostile, especially those from this forum, I attribute that to the fact you're unfamiliar with the environment, so I would default to that, you already have this notion that I'm scum, which is wrong, you're clearly implying that there's no way I forgot, hence I'm possibly scum.

I was more focused on catching up than providing the reads you so desire, reads which I have given mind you, by the way what we're doing is more of interrogation from you than discuss, because I already sensed you consider me scum, so naturally I'd like to know on what grounds.

Since you're new here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and also explain my current situation, more people here already know this:

I'm working on two different startups, I work 12+ hrs a day on average, not counting my other rl activities, which is why you'd never see me fluffing, or posting as frequent as most players here, but if you want to figure me out, the best way is to observe me play, then decide for yourself. I won't respond to you again, because I'm busy right now, but if you have anything you need me to clear state it and I'll get to it when I'm done with work