[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

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Just to clarify that Poison was always my suspect but I just didn't want her to be lynched also I did give my reason for Toujo on my essay level post and I didn't felt it was necessary for me to state all reason that has been already mentioned by Kyte

That being said I did vote Glover but unvoted him when I saw he was one of the few who voted poison early so I wanted to see his development to that... I was always intended to lynch Toujo last phase but at the same time I wanted to act like throughout the phase I don't want to lynch him

Why did you not want her lynched tho? It turned out for the better tho didn't it? We got a scum role in the first day phase itself.
Do you mind linking that post or just telling me what you said in that again? I have read 2K+ posts in these 12 hours so it's hard to remember all of them.

And okay sure that was your strategy but to me you came across like all over the place. I don't mind that you changed your votes over and over but the way you did came off as scummy to me.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Explain this

Are you jealous?

 

[-PK-]

if you're saying all this than you obviously saw what I was trying to do

as for noting I was too confused after the vote reset

if he is being scummy than how are you reading him as ton??

Yea which is why you were mentioned at the last.


Rej honesly I have a tough time reading because of his posts. Its more of a gut feeling at this point. I personally don't find his behavior too scummy. And the games I have played with him, people tunneled him to death everytime saying he is scummy as hell but he always turned out town. Not saying he is definitely town here but still I think should be low priority for most people in this phase :/

 

[Kyte_]

Have you vote already?

##vote lynch Toujo

 

[SoulKiller]

##vote lynch Toujo

If possible to follow the correct format "VoteLynch: (playername)"

Thanks.

 

[TheLukundo]

So a fancy tonal read and a confidence booster?

 

[TheLukundo]

So a fancy tonal read and a confidence booster?

Don’t let me put words into your mouth but is this what it boils down to?

 

[TheLukundo]

Also I like really want Oreki lynched now.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I'm going to sleep

 

[XTMF]

His obsession with Rachel.

That changes, but yeah, Baam overcoming his naivety is a big theme.

 

[XTMF]

What do you think about Bee? While Aether still need to grace us today

I think Bee is playing solidly so far. Town lean.

 

[XTMF]

You see this right here? This is my problem with you and Toujo, what are you implying here? You could've just reminded me and I'll give you my thoughts, I did mention then I was about to go to bed, is the possibility I forgot not in your thoughts, or do you already think I'm scum and is just looking for any slight reason to put me in your sus? This paranoia is not healthy tbh

I suspected Poison due to an early post of hers, can't go looking for it now because I'm on my phone, and I'm still catching up, 15 pages left. But what I have in my notepad is this:

She didn't read the opening posts, or claimed not to, knowing that a lot can be gotten from SKs games by reading his write-ups, and she kept missing information I'd have expected her to get. Town Poison fluffs all over the place, but she does take her time to defend herself, and also ends up ISO everyone at least once

Do what you will with that

I asked you politely yesterday before you left if you could open this phase with your Poison reads. You then proceed to make a bunch of posts without ever coming back to address me. How am I supposed to take that? You do realize that Poison kept saying she'd get back to stuff and never did, right? I think you're possibly scum, yeah, which is why I'm trying to get you to do things that'll help make me see you as a townie. You 'forgetting' and then getting defensive isn't a great look. The number one thing that I've noticed on this forum is that there seems to be a lack of responsibility for poor play. I mean, it's not my fault that you haven't addressed what I asked you.

 

[Houtarou]

Why did you not want her lynched tho? It turned out for the better tho didn't it? We got a scum role in the first day phase itself.
Do you mind linking that post or just telling me what you said in that again? I have read 2K+ posts in these 12 hours so it's hard to remember all of them.

And okay sure that was your strategy but to me you came across like all over the place. I don't mind that you changed your votes over and over but the way you did came off as scummy to me.

I expected Toujo to be another scum beside Poison so of course, my initial lynch focus lies on more experienced player than someone I can lynch any time of the day. I myself am not really a person that'd go out of his way and start a case on a player 40+ hours early before the phase ends, I was waiting for the opportunity and good time to start my lynch on Toujo well I wouldn't know how that come across to others, but it was well executed from my side.

Like I'm type sort that would finish things off neatly without making any unnecessary movements until necessary. That's what exactly I did when I decide not to bother arguing with Toujo knowing it won't get me anywhere but in oblivious and lowkey just mentioned my doubts on him here and there. It was this post where I decide to go for Toujo but still not trying to appear apparent;

https://animebase.me/threads/sk-tower-of-god-the-great-war-28.776159/page-73#post-22021777

On the stage, it may come across scummy to you but that'd be expected when you're trying to make crazy gameplay but ask yourself would I try to defend Poison when her lynch most likely is absolute and would try to lynch another player who may not even get lynched? if I just wanted to save poison I would have gone for Glover who was the most ideal option at that point to save poison.

 

[Houtarou]

Are you jealous?

I am not. That kind of emotion requires too much engery

 

[XTMF]

I think specific focus needs to be applied to Hou and Kyte, who were the vocal leaders on getting Ratchet lynched. Kyte especially had some EEK moments and also some questionable interactions with/about Poison. I'm playing to be vocal this phase because I've reread D1 as well as compiled a reads list and interaction list w/ Poison. I think I'm just going to call out things that I think are wrong this phase and we'll go from there.

I didn't not anticipate that some players would hold me accountable for countering Poison's lynch after she flipped scum, so let me make something clear - for the vote count analysis to be used, intentionally or non-intentionally, to highlight a specific angle you want to accentuate just because it aligns with your reads, it won't happen under my watch.

Here is the factual presentation about the VCA regarding me: I've been a persistent and consistent advocate for voting Touji, who's lynch was more reasonable in my eyes than Poison, by far. I found myself mostly focused on him two posts into the game, because I thought he's the most malicious, and his presence was all over the thread anyways. My hands have almost gone sore from typing the arguments against him.

I've also specified my clear reasons, that I still stand by, for not approving Poison's lynch thats best justification was her inactivity, and the fact that I was wrong about her is not alignment indicative, neither is the fact that Touji has backed it up. You need to look past the vote tally really. You'll ISO my posts, and I don't know how you claim that you will make a case on (i look forward to it) but I can describe exactly how and where I've noted whatever I noted, to whoever I noted it about. Unlike Touji ofc, who's best feats were gaslighting, nitpicking, and even patronizing players by making statements like "is he a troll?" or "LOL this is funny" and then flooding them with a chunk of his fallacies or even grammar, and literature, to divert the spotlight and belittle their argument. That's him in a nutshell; a guy who projects his strengths on players to hide his short-comings. The same guy who makes a fuss out the very lone word in his objector's post, has not only failed to address his issues i've pointed to him, but also to make a case on me, and I'm forced to take that vote as a spiteful counter.
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This is the third time in the game you've completely misunderstood something and used it to shape your narrative. You think I'm coming after you because you voted Ratchet? I mean, your EOD play was bad, but there's more to your game that's been bad than just that.

 

[Just_Red]

Just to clarify that Poison was always my suspect but I just didn't want her to be lynched also I did give my reason for Toujo on my essay level post and I didn't felt it was necessary for me to state all reason that has been already mentioned by Kyte

That being said I did vote Glover but unvoted him when I saw he was one of the few who voted poison early so I wanted to see his development to that... I was always intended to lynch Toujo last phase but at the same time I wanted to act like throughout the phase I don't want to lynch him

@bold how does that work?

 

[Houtarou]

@bold how does that work?

Because Toujo was more ideal lynch last phase that's how it works

 

[XTMF]

Okay starting off I think I need to come clean to everyone but especially SK >_>
When I messaged you last night that I was catching up and was on Page 58. Well I lied.... I actually started reading the thread this morning from Page 18 <_<.
So for the past 12 hours I have been catching up with the thread continuously and reading any free time I got.
My reasons I have already stated before in the thread. Up till 15th June I had to complete my research project and that took a lot of my time. Also my wifi was down since 3 days so it took even longer to complete it and made catching up with the thread even harder coz I was on mobile.

Moving on from that. Believe it or not I have actually gone through every single page.. Although I might have skimmed a few posts (From Rej and Toujo). I wanted to post while I was reading the thread but 2 reasons held me back.
1st - If I started quoting posts from the page I was on, SK would have found out I was way behind than I had told him and I did not wanna upset me.
2nd - A lot of events were already pretty old so I didn't wanna dig them up again unnecessarily.

Now to the actual game. I saw a lot of discussion of the setup and how there could be 2 scum teams. I personally think its the 4 scum, 14 town, 2 3rd parties setup.

What I found the most interesting thing reading so far in the game was the event that happened during Day Phase 1 when Poison was in lead and Poison turned out to be scum.
@Just_Red - Agreeing with what she said I think the people that were the first voters for Poison are likely to be town as I don't see any reason why any scum team would wanna shade their own teammate without any pressure right at the beginning of the game. And Poison's role had very strong powers so it would be stupid to waste them like that.
Who caused that explosion has been up for debate. I personally believe it was the Mafia team themselves. I don't see any reason why any 3rd party would be bothered to waste their ability like that.
In the write-up SK wrote everyone's surprise to the explosion except Squad Commander 1's so it could be him that used his power since in the opening of the game he was portrayed as super strong or something. But there was no reaction with him when SC 3 came to thebattlefield either so I could very much be reaching here and be wrong. Still I am gonna stick with the belief that it was a mafia move and not anyone else's.


The Night Phase kill was also interesting. Everyone was roleblocked with only the Mafia leader able to perform a kill. Could be a mafia ability. Could be a town who used it but the Princess was just immune to it. I am not sure about this one since I am not really used to all these complicated powers and roles.

NOW for my reads. I will write my town reads first.
X is my number 1 town read at the moment. Not only because of their vote on Poison from start till end of Day phase but in general with the way they have played.
Just red - I can believe she was busy in the previous phase and I like her posts in this phase.
Tigerr - She has made good posts and played well in this game so far.

As for my scum reads in no specific order.
The first two people that I'd like to mention are the ones that tried to divert attention from the Poison wagon in the previous phase.
That would be
1) Kyte - I just didn't like how they were insistent that Toujo was scum but I can let that slide since you gotta pressure you sus in the game. But what I found the most odd was that post where he mentioned the timing of the event with respect to Ansa's post of how he was logging off. The timing turned out to be way off than he mentioned and I don't think was as relevant at that moment. He's being pressured in this phase so I'd like to his posts addressing these points.
2) Houtarou - I don't know what to think of your plays near the end of last phase.
IIRC you went from not wanting to vote poison to being okay with her getting lynched. You also wanted to lynch glover but at the end settled for Toujo? Idk man seems like you were all over the place and unlike Kyte I didn't even see you try giving good reason to push the wagon on Toujo.
3) Al_Sama - I did not like their giving up attitude when the pressure was on them early in the day phase =. At one point they did say he wasn't gonna defend himself and was okay with getting lynched. I found their posts lacking compared to other people and the fact they decided to abstain from the vote last phase was just odd. I am not too sure on AL but yea. ://

These 4 I don't have much strong reads but if I had to give them an alignment (Not factoring in 3rd party)

Imp - Town
Elmage - Town
Rej - Town ( Idk how this guy always comes off as super scummy but still turns to be town. Its just funny at this point xD)
Ansa - Town

Everyone is welcome to reply to this post and get a discussion going because SK wants a lot of posts from me now and I can't do that if you people don't engage.
Except maybe Rej (coz I just can't read you man) and Toujo ( I do want want to be told the fallacies of my post over and over).

Thank God there's another person in this game that I can vibe with.

 

[Just_Red]

Because Toujo was more ideal lynch last phase that's how it works

Oh. I see.

 

[XTMF]

Oh, I also struggle to understand would X hold a point on me for simply countering Touju's wagon - as if he wants to take it for granted that Touji's town due to DP1's events - even more than I struggle to think that a player with 8 years of experience would not find Touji's actions questionable in any way or manner, as it seems to be the case since the start of the game.

Anyways, I want to remind @XTMF that last DP was unfolding into a situation where the scum faction was caught between two undesirable alternatives where Poison and Touji were the main and lynching targets. In a setting like this, what stops either of them to endorse the other's lynch, and gain a righteous foothold and some credit to go further into the game..?! Because that a very logical that's not what happened; Touji has used Poison as a scapegoat, who seems to be the lower-tier out of the tw, and you've just fallen to it. At least in my opinion.

Yes, Touji has been on Poison's case several times since the start of the game, but only so it would be feasible for him to jump on your potential lynch wagon at his convenient moment. And Poison literally almost feed him reasons to suspect her on a silver plate. In fact, she mostly didn't stand up for herself, not even at the EoD.

These might merely be speculations, but just like yours, there's no reason to hold me accountable for pushing against Poison's wagon, when my intentions in doing that were lynching Touji, rather than halting Poison's lynch.
@XTMF

We have twenty players in this game. I find it extremely hard to believe that D1 went so smoothly for town that we caught two scum at the same time and put them up against each other. I also refuse to believe that a four-man scum team (which feels likely to me) would allow that to happen without an attempt to steer it anywhere else. I mean for all the Al and Glover talk, I didn't once believe they'd be lynched over Poison or Ratchet. I'm not saying Ratchet couldn't be scum or is 100 cleared as town, but the fact that there are people, including yourself, that are trying to push the narrative that Poison and Ratchet just bussed from the get go is a tough pill to swallow and frankly should be considered scummy. The fact that Poison and Ratchet were basically the only two viable options for 80 hours as well makes it mind-boggling to me that we'd lynch a wolf and then instantly go after that other wagon when there was way more suspicious play from other players.